Radical Centrism Thread: It's Time 4 Sum Game Theory

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# ¿ Jul 11, 2017 07:42

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get that OUT of my face posted:

the british elections have shown yglesias the light. he's on the "bernie (probably) would've won" train, he thinks nancy pelosi needs to step down as the leader of the house dems, and now this. all the while, he's getting yelled at by lovely dems

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# ¿ Jul 12, 2017 06:30

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# ¿ Jul 13, 2017 19:42

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# ¿ Jul 13, 2017 20:07

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Feldegast42 posted:

When people talk about / advocate centrism they are really advocating for the status quo and policies that benefit that status quo. At the moment, this is neoliberal capitalism.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2017 20:33

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Condiv posted:

was joan walsh the centrist who sourced animenazinews.com?

That was Joy Reid but they've been on some sort of race to out bad-Dem eachother so I can understand the confusion.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2017 22:01

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JEB! is the answer!

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# ¿ Jul 14, 2017 04:09

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reignonyourparade posted:

Basically the opposite of reality? The liberal-left clearly can't win on ITS own and its strategy has literally always been to hold the left at gunpoint electorally.

The landscape is definitely changing though, I mean the Dems in the 90s were explicitly running on third-way neoliberal centrism and at least now you have to pretend to be progressive to be a viable national candidate.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2017 04:23

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Condiv posted:

https://twitter.com/DougBeveridge/status/887673403288596480

wow what a great ideology this centrism is! it paints itself as rooted in science, paints hedonism as less extreme than altruism and enviromentalism (where extreme is bad!!) and pretends feminists are nearly as bad as nazis!

you sure centrists aren't just embarrassed libertarians?

Those dastardly leftists and their insufficient dedication to wild conspiracy theories about RUSSIA! Alt-left!

# ¿ Jul 19, 2017 19:33

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Coolness Averted posted:

it's also easier to pretend the limitations of the format are to blame for his poorly constructed ideas

Yeah if it was all laid out in an easy to read format it would be easier to see how insane and incoherent his rants are.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2017 00:34

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asdf32 posted:

That or any democracy depends on a functioning center.

Anti-centrists are anti democratic regardless of whether they're too dumb to recognize it or not.

Centrists aren't bad in theory but as Condiv pointed out centrist in the context of American politics tends to mean one particular thing.

How many people described as centrist in American politics are strongly anti-war? Support single-payer? Drug legalization? Curbing corporate regulatory capture? Critical of the military-industrial complex? Very few for any of those, not because those beliefs are inherently un-centrist, but because our centrists are all lovely neoliberal corporate hacks.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2017 19:42

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asdf32 posted:

This isn't a thing it's just you watching normal political function but not understanding what you're seeing.

Then why do centrists very rarely support popular politics like the ones I listed and almost always support corporate-friendly policies?

# ¿ Jul 20, 2017 19:48

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Jeb! Repetition posted:

Yeah, and the way to be in line with popular opinion currently isn't to be centrist because the majority of people hold left of center opinions on economic issues.

A majority also support fewer wars, legal weed, fewer giveaways to defense contractors and other big corporations. When the public and corporate lobbyists disagree on an issue the centrists take the lobbyist position basically every time.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2017 23:10

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asdf32 posted:

No, they're attacking the legitimacy of compromise and opposition at a fundamental level. Wanting the country to move far left isn't the same as being an anti-democracy ideolog but these people silly enough to attack "centrism" out themselves as exacty that.

Quick reminder how peter called out Nicaraguan democracy. It's guaranteed he'd support the slow erosion of democracy that represents at every step of the way because that's what ideological anti-compromise purity is. The tea party is the same thing and we're watching the logical result of its success in office right now. A leftist tea party comprised of these people would be identical.

Here I'll just repaste these posts you refuse to respond to rather than repeat myself for a third time:

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Centrists aren't bad in theory but as Condiv pointed out centrist in the context of American politics tends to mean one particular thing.

How many people described as centrist in American politics are strongly anti-war? Support single-payer? Drug legalization? Curbing corporate regulatory capture? Critical of the military-industrial complex? Very few for any of those, not because those beliefs are inherently un-centrist, but because our centrists are all lovely neoliberal corporate hacks.

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Then why do centrists very rarely support popular politics like the ones I listed and almost always support corporate-friendly policies?

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A majority also support fewer wars, legal weed, fewer giveaways to defense contractors and other big corporations. When the public and corporate lobbyists disagree on an issue the centrists take the lobbyist position basically every time.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2017 18:13

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We hate centrists because centrists in America push poo poo policies that everyone hates, we keep making that point and you keep ignoring it. I could be called a "centrist" but I hate war and corporate cronyism and love weed and free healthcare, basically everything that American centrists stand against.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2017 18:14

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Taintrunner posted:

The thing about centrist incrementalism is that as a supposedly post ideological understanding of politics is that not only does it lack a political vision, like say, socialist utopianism, or the "social darwinism" of goobers like Paul Ryan, it by design cannot maintain an understanding of the events of our past and how they have led to the political environment of today. As bad faith actors have spent the past several decades dragging the political spectrum of mainstream discourse in America further and further hard right into a cesspool of senseless state sanctioned murder both at home and abroad, a literal recreation of the Soviet gulag nightmare, and the concentration of the nation's wealth into an elite, monstrous few while the vast majority of the nation suffers, fighting over scraps, the liberal centrist in their life of relative comfort in comparison insists that nothing is actually wrong. "Already Great," even.

What the liberal centrist refuses to admit is that not only have these bad faith actors turned America into a nightmarish hell of trying to survive to the next week, and maybe the next month, with no plans for home ownership or retirement in sight - they've enabled and even cosigned the efforts of this hard right shift - it was the last two Democrats in the White House that wanted to privatize Social Security, and the first of those two that destroyed welfare. These well-off liberal centrists insist "education" and "job creators" will solve all our problems, eventually, and for those falling behind, look at this website we created that lets you shop for health insurance! Here's a tax credit! Oh, this bank illegally foreclosed on your home? I'm sorry, but we simply can't get in the way of that pesky free market!

Our nation's problems have gotten increasingly worse and worse as the years of hard right economics and their end-game of "social darwinism" where personal wealth is an indicator of of a human being's value in our society has become our reality. If you believe in a nation, and a collective American identity where we are all in this together, then you would realize that far too many of us are needlessly suffering while a very few reap greater and greater returns on this crisis economy. As the liberal centrists that infest the Democrats have enabled the Republicans to grow more and more nightmarish while blaming everyone from Russia to BernieBros for our problems, the solutions to these nightmares are becoming further and further radically left of center. Abolishing the billionaire class via civil forfeiture in order to build a national health service, creating a housing and food guarantee out of our nation's excess (40% of food is wasted, 6 houses to every homeless person), properly funding public education and creating a free public college guarantee, reviving the civilian conservation corps in order to protect our environment and rebuild our national infrastructure, converting our nation's power grid to a 100% renewable energy system, mass debt forgiveness - are all becoming more and more of a necessity instead of simply a utopian vision, and even after all this we'll still have plenty of wealth left over to raise the standard of living in America. Before we can ever talk about the individual amassing enough personal wealth to become a billionaire ever again, we need to bail our nation's people out of crippling poverty and debt.

The liberal centrist will never accept this because the liberal centrist has let their personal politics be dragged so far right of center with such a devout faith in the wielding of private power, that the very ideal of wielding public power to directly intervene in meeting the material needs of the victimized, exploited poor is violently offensive to them.

But will it end racism?

# ¿ Jul 22, 2017 22:02

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Dreddout posted:

You can't be this dense

I disagree

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# ¿ Jul 24, 2017 03:53

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tfw u run out of addy and craft beer

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# ¿ Jul 28, 2017 18:34

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Condiv posted:

scamming your supporters is just regular centrism

where's the radical centrism I was promised? tax cuts for NGOs that kill at least 20 isis members a month, charter schools that double as sweatshops, etc?

Tom Friedman lives near me, just gotta give him some craft beer and addy and set him up by a computer and we'll get some real dank poo poo.

# ¿ Jul 28, 2017 18:45

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Oh man I went back and read the original "radical centrism" article, love this bit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24friedman.html

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Write it down: Americans Elect. What Amazon.com did to books, what the blogosphere did to newspapers, what the iPod did to music, what drugstore.com did to pharmacies, Americans Elect plans to do to the two-party duopoly that has dominated American political life � remove the barriers to real competition, flatten the incumbents and let the people in. Watch out.

WRITE IT DOWN

# ¿ Jul 28, 2017 18:49

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This probably doesn't count because I bet he still believes this poo poo but boy was that ever a nuclear take.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwFaSpca_3Q

# ¿ Jul 29, 2017 03:52

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Fallen Hamprince posted:

clearly if Pelosi were serious about winning elections she would have adopted my exact set of policy preferences

I don't think Dems or most politicians think about their policies as "winning" but rather "winning while not upsetting my real constituents, corporate lobbyists and rich donors."

# ¿ Jul 31, 2017 23:40

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They were bad before but the election definitely just totally broke a number of people's brains kind of like how 9/11 did. Al was always that fuckballs crazy though.

# ¿ Aug 3, 2017 11:02

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Maybe these Florida Dems can hold him a fundraiser too!

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/345204-miami-congressman-gets-democratic-support-for-re-election-bid

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Several prominent south Florida Democrats are hosting a fundraiser for Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo's (Fla.) reelection bid, the Miami Herald reports.

The event is being held in the centrist congressman's Miami district, which is in national Democrats' sights and competitive.

Among the nine Democrats sponsoring the fundraiser are former Miami Mayor Manny Diaz and Florida City Mayor Otis Wallace.

Other co-hosts include Hillary Clinton donor Ira Leesfield and attorney Roland Sanchez-Medina, who previously worked as the campaign treasurer for Democratic congressional candidate Joe Garcia.

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You could have it adjusted based on cost of living in the area but work it out so the average over the entire country is $15/hr.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2017 03:44

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

that lil manlet never stood a chance

Should have invited Ben Shapiro so he wouldn't be the shortest guy on the trip

# ¿ Aug 12, 2017 10:52

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Why do people call Glenn Greenwald a libertarian? If opposing our loving insane and genocidal foreign policy and being skeptical of the idea of government restricting speech makes someone a libertarian I guess I'm one too :confused:

# ¿ Aug 14, 2017 22:15

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Well libertarian socialism is a thing but I don't think Greenwald identifies with them, I think he's just a leftist who happens to be really anti-authoritarian and anti-interventionist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

I guess you could criticize him for being a bit too dismissive of the Trump-Russia stuff, leaning too far into the territory of saying there's nothing there rather than my position that it's just way too overhyped. Doesn't make him a libertarian though.

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Fallen Hamprince posted:

*fascists start to burn everything down*

me: Don't Worry! JEB! Can Fix It!

# ¿ Aug 15, 2017 07:30

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Karl Barks posted:

if cuomo thinks it's a good idea, it's a bad idea

He's gonna slip some provisions in so they can just mass arrest BDS demonstrators on sight.

# ¿ Aug 15, 2017 21:29

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the trump tutelage posted:

What's the difference between the alt-light and Fox right of yesteryear?

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Ideologically

Alt-light generally want protectionism and social programs as long as they go to "the right" people and they despise neocon foreign policy. Part of the reason this stuff has been gaining popularity is probably because they've dispensed with the hideously unpopular aspects of the GOP like tax cuts for the rich, cuts to medicare/social security, corporate subsidies to preferred industries, endless foreign wars, etc.

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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

That Jeb face accompanying the most lukewarm takes on earth. Just perfect.

Jeb! Can Fix It!

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