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Jennifer Connelly best MCU character. Also this was a good movie. I really liked how Zendaya was an 'MJ' but the roles seem reversed. Rather than Peter obsessed with/pining for Mary-Jane, this new MJ is obsessed/pining for Peter. Idk if we're still spoiler tagging in here or if this is even worth tagging, but w/e.
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Saw this last night, had fun. Keaton is def the best part of it. The part where Peter is picking up his date and Keaton answers the door is the hardest I've laughed at a movie in a long time, or at least laughed at something that wasn't supposed to be funny. Perfect comedic timing without even trying.
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I do like that now we are getting more interracial and people of color are getting more prominent in DCU and MCU.
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Jul 30, 2017 23:20
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I wonder if it's a generational thing that Hollywood is now somewhat OK with casting people of color or some guy in an office getting a light bulb about how POC actors are now economically viable.
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Jul 30, 2017 23:27
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Probably both.
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I would bet a lot of money that casting choices were only agreed upon after some focus group testing
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Jul 31, 2017 01:26
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Zendaya was already famous before the movie (I mean, she goes by only one name) and executives have always understood star power and popularity. Plus she's a Disney star and this was mostly a Disney movie. So at least her casting was an easy sell.
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Lobok posted:Zendaya was already famous before the movie (I mean, she goes by only one name) and executives have always understood star power and popularity. Plus she's a Disney star and this was mostly a Disney movie. So at least her casting was an easy sell. Man, you know you're getting old when you only realize a famous person exists because they popped up in a Spider-Man movie. 
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Gatts posted:I do like that now we are getting more interracial and people of color are getting more prominent in DCU and MCU. If youre looking for interracial your gonna have more luck on pornhub than in hollywood.
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Jul 31, 2017 02:56
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RatHat posted:Basically every scene with Sandman is amazing. Except for the retcon of "hey it was me that shot Uncle Ben" which also retroactively made Peter a double secret murderer
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Jul 31, 2017 03:27
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I liked that it made a few points of comparison, Peter and Harry were pretty much doing the same thing. 3 was pretty critical of Spider-man. Maybe that's why it's less appreciated.
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The plot kind of suffers a bit from the "don't talk about uncle ben everyone is sick of it" thing. I mean the story is basically about Peter, an orphan who just lost his last father figure latching onto Tony Stark in an unhealthy way while fighting his girlfriends Dad. But it can't mention uncle ben.
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Jul 31, 2017 20:56
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massive spider posted:The plot kind of suffers a bit from the "don't talk about uncle ben everyone is sick of it" thing. I mean the story is basically about Peter, an orphan who just lost his last father figure latching onto Tony Stark in an unhealthy way while fighting his girlfriends Dad. But it can't mention uncle ben. I think they'd have mentioned Uncle Ben if they thought they had to. They really didn't have to.
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Yeah I gotta agree, I think they did well there by showing and not telling. You see him being raised by his aunt and you see him latch onto Tony for male guidance. You don't need to be explicitly told that a young teenage boy is craving a male role model.
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massive spider posted:The plot kind of suffers a bit from the "don't talk about uncle ben everyone is sick of it" thing. I mean the story is basically about Peter, an orphan who just lost his last father figure latching onto Tony Stark in an unhealthy way while fighting his girlfriends Dad. But it can't mention uncle ben. Peter's slow walk from the car to the prom told you everything you needed to know about great power, etc so you really didn't need Uncle Ben
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Okay so I hadn't actually finished Spider-man 3, I paused right when Peter ditches the goo in the church and had recalled the ending from years earlier. Turns out the ending sucks. Stop the movie there, it's not bloated it's completely undercooked. Maybe Rami could've pulled it together with a bit more running time, everything else was so top notch and by all appearances was building to something more satisfying. I guess I'll just imagine a bleaker movie, Spider-Man, having killed the Sandman and disfigured his only friend Harry, is haunted by a dark reflection of himself, to be concluded next time in Spider-Man 4. Also haven't seen homecoming yet but no uncle Ben is better then the jack-rear end we got in Amazing Spiderman E: thinking about that one now and I'm still pissed off that the police are transformed into god drat lizard people and then absolutely nothing happens Sinding Johansson fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Watched it today, enjoyed the gently caress out of it. "OK Spider-man! do a flip!" Aunt Tomei was a great idea, heaps better than Murder She Wrote Aunt May. Just having the usual faces around makes it all the better. Vulture was loving awesome, everything about the suit, Michael Keaton is a bossman.
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Steve2911 posted:I think they'd have mentioned Uncle Ben if they thought they had to. The result is that Spider-Man has no motivation to be a hero beyond thrills and pleasing Tony Stark.
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I think they alluded to Ben well enough, really. But it couldn't hurt to have driven it home a little better. The only problem with adding more Uncle Ben is having to slow the movie down to exposit or flash back to that moment, and it's a moment like 90% of the audience knows about already as is.
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It would have been funny as gently caress if they just had portraits of Joe Pesci and pictures from My Cousin Vinny all around their apartment.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The result is that Spider-Man has no motivation to be a hero beyond thrills and pleasing Tony Stark. Guy A. Person posted:Yeah I gotta agree, I think they did well there by showing and not telling. You see him being raised by his aunt and you see him latch onto Tony for male guidance. You don't need to be explicitly told that a young teenage boy is craving a male role model.
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esperterra posted:I think they alluded to Ben well enough, really. But it couldn't hurt to have driven it home a little better. It speaks to the difficult place that this movie exists in. It has to have the meta-awareness of being the third spider-man in a decade but also existing as its own interpretation of the character. This iteration is really putting a lot of faith in audiences being able to fill in the Uncle Ben part of the story themselves. I think it's fascinating that out of the six movies we've since 2002 that only the first three have had Mary-Jane as a lead. Two Gwen Stacey and now Liz Allen (with a heavy hint towards a future MJ). I had always considered MJ to be as core to Spider-Man as Lois Lane to Superman. I wonder if the general audience doesn't really see MJ as that way, or even Uncle Ben.
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I realised suddenly in the comic book thread that Homecoming Spider-Man has kinda accidentally turned into a Marvel version of the modern Blue Beetle; an amateur teenage superhero with a bug-themed talking supersuit he argues with, being mentored questionably by older heroes.
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Imagine a superhero motivated by the desire to please, say, Mark Zuckerberg. Now imagine if it wasn't satire, and you've got Spider-Man: Homecoming.
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I mean if Mark Zuckerberg had provably saved the world at least once in a very public and dramatic fashion
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And Then endangered it multiple times
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Imagine a superhero motivated by the desire to please, say, Mark Zuckerberg. It might not be satire so to speak, but it certainly isn't a good thing.
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Sinding Johansson posted:She throws up on his crotch! Gross. But spider-man 3 has a french maitre d' keep calling him Peter Pecker and make a show of putting on his glasses to see the tiny stone on Pecker's engagement ring. Hilarious! Man SP-2 had some great stunts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqOMfXWFxE edit: also the cavalier attitude to throwing around actors is hilarious
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Calaveron posted:I mean if Mark Zuckerberg had provably saved the world at least once in a very public and dramatic fashion So more like Elon Musk.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Now imagine if it wasn't satire, and you've got Spider-Man: Homecoming. Do you think Homecoming portrays Stark in a good light, or support's Peter's wish to please him?
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Shageletic posted:Man SP-2 had some great stunts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqOMfXWFxE Alfred Molina's "gently caress no I don't do my own stunts, are you crazy? That poo poo's dangerous" attitude was incredibly refreshing.
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Rosemary Harris is such a baller.
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esperterra posted:Rosemary Harris is such a baller. Sally Fields was also loving awesome.
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Yeah, Sally was an amazing choice for May. Losing her was my biggest disappointment in rebooting the character a third time. I do really like hot May too, though.
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Peter Parker discovering a motivation for being a hero beyond pleasing Stark and thrills is kinda the point of the narrative. It builds to the moment where Stark ditches him, he gets everything he wants, and is told to walk away. Working hard to establish the power-responsibility motivation prior to that removes the tension from that dilemma.
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In hindsight, the fact that he needs motivation for being a hero is itself rather revealing - nobody is motivated to be a hero, they become such by necessity, and it's not like that's driving Spider-Man.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:In hindsight, the fact that he needs motivation for being a hero is itself rather revealing - nobody is motivated to be a hero, they become such by necessity, and it's not like that's driving Spider-Man. Counterpoint: Captain Motherfucking America.
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I'm probably wrong, but I always figured Peter would always become a hero after the spider bite. Ben's death just motivated him to do better, and to focus on thieves and other street level crimes.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:In hindsight, the fact that he needs motivation for being a hero is itself rather revealing - nobody is motivated to be a hero, they become such by necessity, and it's not like that's driving Spider-Man. For the most part, Peter himself doesn't understand why we wants to be a superhero. Peter expresses a desire to join the Avengers and do more visable superheroics, the ultimate end goal of which he believes to be receiving acclaim and approval. But Peter being Spider-Man is constantly at odds with this. Being Spider-Man means being having to ditch your friends at the cool party, abandon your responsibilities to your school team, disappoint your father figure, and alienating your girlfriend--all on behalf of people who won't give him the courtesy to be intimated by his voice modulator. Ultimately, being Spider-Man ultimately means refusing to join the Avengers and the acclaim that would entail. I think "drive" is a good word for it. Peter would probably be happier if he weren't Spider-Man, but he won't or can't choose not to be. Bruceski posted:Counterpoint: Captain Motherfucking America. I'm pretty sure he's a war criminal now.
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The movie assumes he is a hero already and doesn't mention his motivation because that's covered in his origin story. As shown in the previous
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