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Interesting way to create a new layouts. Using AI to Create the Perfect Keyboard
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Finally got my Cycle7 less than 10 days before I move abroad. Most nailbiting group buy experience so far, though now I'm touching it I really can't believe that this thing was only $139. How does China do it???
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Apr 16, 2024 02:54
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Is the Mode 65 not actually live today? The site lets me display the order page but not place an order. EDIT: never mind—orders open at 1:00 edt today. I AM GRANDO fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Apr 17, 2024 16:56
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I AM GRANDO posted:Is the Mode 65 not actually live today? The site lets me display the order page but not place an order. And it’s $25 off if you order today too with a code. I went silver top, copper bottom and accent. Going to be expensive but look and feel great amazing with GMK Cubed and boba U4T’s.
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Apr 18, 2024 00:52
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They look like my perfect keyboard, so nice, but on top of the already high price I'd get hosed by 20% import duty too. Maybe for Christmas
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Apr 18, 2024 01:17
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We need a keyboard that looks cool and mimics your presses like a player piano but your actually using a way uglier keyboard
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Apr 18, 2024 06:06
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Saukkis posted:Interesting way to create a new layouts. That ai created keyboard is no good. O and U on the left pinky? Pinky pain.. T and H on the same finger? No way. The inward roll for th on Dvorak is perfect This is the sort of thing that interests me, I've played with alternative keyboard layouts since I was about 13 or so. I use a slightly modified wide Dvorak. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Apr 18, 2024 09:23
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going to those lengths to optimize the key mapping but still using "basically a typewriter" for the physical layout is funny
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Apr 18, 2024 12:17
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HalloKitty posted:That ai created keyboard is no good. O and U on the left pinky? Pinky pain.. Yes, that prototype layout is probably plenty lacking, but the idea behind this method is intriguing, just needs more, and better and more stringent rules for evolutionary "goodness". Make pinky more expensive, give the roll better score, better score for "alternating hand typing". Or whatever features makes a layout good. Instead of manually creating a layout for every use case, because Dvorak is no good, all languages require their own version. When I started researching a layout to use with my Ergodox EZ I found at least two different Dvorak modifications created for Finnish but neither has an established position. I also found a layout called DAS created by one guy that looked best to my eye and had the best sounding theory, but there is no real testing done between these. But typing Finnish isn't the only thing I need, I'm divided pretty evenly between typing Finnish and English, with a hefty dose of Bash command shell sprinkled on top, and that's why I customized the DAS layout quite a bit for my needs. For example I have "$" at the CapsLock location, and they keys closest to my right thumb are Enter and "|". Finnish standard layout doesn't have a key for "|", you need to stretch to press AltGr+"+" and this also introduces a regular problem where you type "|<non-breakable space>less" and then Bash give you a weird error complaining that it can't find the command "less" and it will take quite a while before you understand what the problem is. When I was switching layouts I took a sampling of my email and Bash histories and calculated what characters I use the most to at least check that they are at the home row. It would have been better if I could have given my typing history for an AI like this. And what if your Yakuza boss took your left pinky? That would significantly alter what kind of layout you need.
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Apr 19, 2024 00:03
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Saukkis posted:
I would love to try a keyboard that had dedicated keys for every common programming character. (probably couldn't do it because the common characters are different between javascript, c, python, perl...)
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Apr 19, 2024 04:07
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~Coxy posted:I would love to try a keyboard that had dedicated keys for every common programming character. I have some of the most common characters on dedicated keys, but lot of others I have on the second layer and momentary layer switch key right under thumbs, so they are quite convenient to use. No more stretching across the keyboard constantly. For similar reason I have Up and Down arrow keys next to left thumb for Bash history browsing.
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Apr 19, 2024 04:17
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~Coxy posted:I would love to try a keyboard that had dedicated keys for every common programming character. Sounds like a job for the Hyper 7 keyboard or something to just have all the keys always... https://mechboards.co.uk/products/hyper-7-v4
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Apr 19, 2024 04:33
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Saukkis posted:Yes, that prototype layout is probably plenty lacking, but the idea behind this method is intriguing, just needs more, and better and more stringent rules for evolutionary "goodness". Make pinky more expensive, give the roll better score, better score for "alternating hand typing". Or whatever features makes a layout good. That's great, I'm glad to see others actually change the layout as well, to their needs. I've been using my mod for 12 years HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Apr 19, 2024 07:46
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~Coxy posted:I would love to try a keyboard that had dedicated keys for every common programming character. future APL fan spotted
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Apr 19, 2024 08:49
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Has anyone used this? https://www.8bitdo.com/retro-mechanical-keyboard/ It’s ridiculously cheap on amazon, like £85. Cheaper and more featureful and looks nicer than the equivalent keychrons; dye sub pbt and everything. I have one of their controllers, it’s built super well. Looks like it would be great to throw in my bag for when I go in the office.
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Apr 19, 2024 11:19
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First time I've seen the C64 "inspired" one. Pretty cool really, just s bit big for me sadly. If it's from Amazon, just buy it and see if you like it, they're easy as gently caress to return
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Apr 19, 2024 12:36
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Generic Monk posted:Has anyone used this? I think a goon bought one. I've been tempted but don't need another keyboard right now. Chyrosran22 gave it a review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM0IJK1u5BA
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Apr 19, 2024 14:07
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Rexxed posted:Chyrosran22 gave it a review: Yeah from that review it seems like a nice board. He used it recently for his ceramic keycaps review as well, he says it has good acoustics because of the hollow body. The styling isn't for me but it seems well constructed from everything I've seen.
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Apr 19, 2024 15:11
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I own one and use it every day, it rocks
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Apr 19, 2024 15:15
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HamburgerTownUSA posted:Sounds like a job for the Hyper 7 keyboard or something to just have all the keys always... All those keys are way too far away, my old joints can't handle that much waving around.
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Apr 19, 2024 18:51
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Generic Monk posted:Has anyone used this? it's great for the price! once i switched out the box whites for glorious pandas i was quite happy with it. edit: they just came out with a c64 edition which looks super cool
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Apr 22, 2024 03:23
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Are there any good keyboard/lapboard combos still available for sale? I know they're expensive for what they are but I'd really like something convenient for Mouse and Keyboard gaming on the couch. The Razer Turret looks like it's out of production. Amazon Canada has the Corsair K63 combo but only used ones are available and I'm a bit wary of the idea of buying something that's been returned to Amazon.
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Apr 22, 2024 20:07
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Are there any good keyboard/lapboard combos still available for sale? This came up last year I want to say, and when I looked around, I think Razer was the only one at that time still making them, and that thing looks real flimsy. A quick look, and it doesn't look like anyone is making one like the Corsair K63 anymore, so the question has become "what lapboard will fit xx keyboard and mouse?". Something called the "Couchmaster" exists for $140-180.. 3M has one for 50 bucks. Lapgear makes something for a laptop (so deeper, but might be limited to a TKL or smaller) for $40. Searching for Gaming+lapboard got me the list of stuff on Amazon pretty easy. So it looks like just getting a plain lapboard and adding your own k&m is about the only option now a days.
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Apr 22, 2024 21:23
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I ended up just using a piece of wood. Luckily I noticed that the piece from a broken cupboard door was about the right size, but I guess you could get someone cut to size if you wanted. Blu-tac under the keyboard, and a bit of "custom cut" mouse mat, so it looks pretty janky, but it works perfectly
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Apr 23, 2024 12:19
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If you're thinking about longer stretches of using a keyboard on a couch, you could get a lap desk, which has a cushion that will fit whatever shape is underneath it, and a solid surface for a small keyboard and mouse. I've got one specifically for when I'm using my laptop in bed, and it's good/functional.
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Apr 23, 2024 21:37
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I'm looking for a TKL. Quiet*, nice for typing/office work, no gamer aesthetic, willing to live with corded because I definitely don't want a built-in lithium battery that will wear out and render the thing disposable. I'm not really looking to be in the Keyboard Hobby, I just want something nicer and more durable (ideally repairable?) than my standard $40 Logitechs. Looking at the Matias Mini Quiet Pro or the WASD V3 with MX Browns and o-rings. Anything else I should consider for $150ish? I'm not totally opposed to a one-time DIY project but based on a quick survey that appears to be more expensive. I did read the OP picks but it's also 5 years old. * obviously subjective, my wife and I WFH from separate but nearby rooms and I'm trying to avoid this scenario: Nobody Interesting posted:Jeez hon, I am not going to expect you to wear noise-cancelling headphones every time I want to go on a rampant posting spree.
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Apr 23, 2024 23:43
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If you're going to get o-rings you may as well just stick with rubber domes or scissors, in my spectacularly humble opinion.
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Apr 24, 2024 00:20
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Eric the Mauve posted:If you're going to get o-rings you may as well just stick with rubber domes or scissors, in my spectacularly humble opinion. Yeah o-rings on switches feel like absolute mushy poo poo and don't even quiet things much, and people stopped doing that on the large when silent switches became readily available. Personally I'd just get whatever hotswap keyboard fit the budget and/or tastes and has decent reviews and then get some silent switches off Amazon or milktooth or wherever to put in and call it a day. My trial run of Durock Dolphin silent switches is going ok so far. They're still really quiet, although I may try out some silent tactile switches (maybe in one of my other boards) because I'm still not sure how I feel about linear switches. HamburgerTownUSA fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Apr 24, 2024 00:29
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Discussion Quorum posted:* obviously subjective, my wife and I WFH from separate but nearby rooms and I'm trying to avoid this scenario:
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Apr 24, 2024 00:35
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HamburgerTownUSA posted:Yeah o-rings on switches feel like absolute mushy poo poo and don't even quiet things much, and people stopped doing that on the large when silent switches became readily available. Ah. The O-rings can go then. This is where my knowledge is out of date. I knew things had changed a lot. My only mechanical keyboard to date was (briefly) a cheap Velocifire with Outemu Browns that was definitely a noise issue - granted I know they're low end switches and my workspace at the time was in a corner of our living room, so it was pretty intrusive. Llamadeus posted:In these circumstances ordinary non-silent (and non-clicky) switches might be perfectly fine as well, depending on the board. Maybe so? Hard to say without testing it in my space. Guess that's a point in Amazon's favor for easy returns.
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Apr 24, 2024 01:44
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My current keyboard is a hybrid tactile/linear using Akko Fairy and Penguin silent switches and it's amazing how much quieter this is compared to standard switches. Just a gentle rustle and the clunk of the stabilisers.
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Apr 24, 2024 02:11
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Getting my first mech keyboard today - a Keychron v5 Max on Gateron Jupiter Reds. Pretty stoked to give it a crack and am already planning a modification that I thought I'd ask y'all about : I have this bad habit with my current keyboard where I accidentally press the F1 key when I'm working up by the top row... maybe I'm a poo poo typist, I'll grant that and I know it's an unusual issue, but it happens to me frequently enough to bother me. It's only an issue if I'm using an Office app - because it does the creaking groaning slow-as-gently caress, bring Office to a crawl poo poo where it tries to dynamically connect to some garbage service and effectively stops me in my tracks while it tries to connect to 2,000 different tracking and logging services to render a lovely help page in the right pane which I'll immediately dismiss the moment the " x " renders. This issue should be lessened because my current lovely keyboard has the F1 key immediately above the number row and there's a bit more of a gap on the Keychron. So I want to swap out the switch for the F1 key, with the heaviest loving switch known to man. I mean I want it to be like trying to crush a rock underneath a railroad tie by pressing on the rail. I figured I'd order a Gateron switch tester, find which of the switches is the most miserable to press, and then do the ol' pop & swap. What do you think; sound like a feasible plan... or are the keys in switch testers fixed in place and irremovable?
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Apr 25, 2024 16:02
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Switch testers probably aren't hotswappable, no. Why not set F1 to do something innocuous in the firmware? Not sure if Office would override that or not.
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Apr 25, 2024 16:20
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sarcastx posted:Getting my first mech keyboard today - a Keychron v5 Max on Gateron Jupiter Reds. Pretty stoked to give it a crack and am already planning a modification that I thought I'd ask y'all about : I don't know about the heaviest loving switch known to man but I do quite enthusiastically pop a Kailh Box Jade on my Caps Lock on pretty much every build I've done so far. Even if the switches I'm using are buttery smooth linears? Gimme that satisfying crunch on a key I never want to use unless I absolutely intend to. You need to be pretty deliberate in hitting it, a brush of the finger won't do much.
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Apr 25, 2024 16:23
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Yeah you're probably not going to get a buckling spring switch into your board.
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Apr 25, 2024 16:24
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I’m putting together a sort of Frankenstein macro pad that aims for a similar effect, smooth easy press linears on the keys I want easy and stiff tactiles on the keys I don’t like accidentally pressing. I found myself looking at a lot of switches and the impression I get is you want something with a high force spring like 60-70 grams and if you dig deeper into the specs of the switch maybe one that hits its activation point a little bit lower. But as an example of a stiffer switch, kailh burnt orange tactiles were one of the higher force springs I found in a switch I liked and out of the box they’re pretty stiff. Go for a stiffer clicky if you really want to avoid presses. But yeah just start scrutinizing the specs, look for stiffer springs (higher number, 40s mean squishy, 70 is closer to popping bubble wrap).
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Apr 25, 2024 16:29
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sarcastx posted:What do you think; sound like a feasible plan... or are the keys in switch testers fixed in place and irremovable? I have 3 switch testers and all of them are removable. They're basically just pieces of plastic, in some cases 3d printed, that hold the switch in place and let you press it. Your new keyboard comes with VIA/Qmk so you could just put the function row (or just f1) on a layer that requires you to press another key. You could keep it default and then switch to the layer with F1 disabled when you startup an Office suite application. VIA gives you tons of flexibility so I would probably start there instead of buying extra stuff. Link to VIA: https://www.caniusevia.com/ If you already have the keyboard you can try the configuration tool in browser. CRAYON fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Apr 25, 2024 16:33
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Yiggy posted:I’m putting together a sort of Frankenstein macro pad that aims for a similar effect, smooth easy press linears on the keys I want easy and stiff tactiles on the keys I don’t like accidentally pressing. I found myself looking at a lot of switches and the impression I get is you want something with a high force spring like 60-70 grams and if you dig deeper into the specs of the switch maybe one that hits its activation point a little bit lower. But as an example of a stiffer switch, kailh burnt orange tactiles were one of the higher force springs I found in a switch I liked and out of the box they’re pretty stiff. Go for a stiffer clicky if you really want to avoid presses. Best tactiles I ever laid my fingers on were Boba U4Ts. Think they clock in at around 62g iirc? Guess they're called Gazzew U4Ts now or whatever, but those are a joy to type with.
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Apr 25, 2024 16:34
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You can also just open the switch with a screwdriver and swap the spring for something really heavy that requires a lot of initial force like a double-stage spring here: https://cannonkeys.com/products/ck-springs?variant=41101505069167
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Apr 25, 2024 16:53
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Thanks for the suggestions all; will have a play around with VIA to see what all I can do with it. The spring replacement is a solid idea, heh I even have some springs from my espresso machine to adjust the group head pressure that might fit I don't have a fixie but having a customized mechanical keyboard and modified espresso machine must make me some type of identifiable fuckwit for sure
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