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From a "criticising the review" standpoint I gotta say there's far too much discussion of Grant and superheroes in general and too little about the actual episode. Which I guess presents a point, while obviously the recaps are long gone, should the review still generally make sense to someone who hasn't seen the episode? I dunno what the answer is (obviously this thread is mainly for fans of the show, which is an argument against it) but I know as someone who hasn't seen the episode all this review tells me about it is "there's a guy called Grant who is a superhero and also parts of the episode revolve around the Doctor". Is there a villain? Were they good or bad? What was the Doctor doing in his half? Was it good or bad? Who is this guy Capaldi apparently leaves to die? etc Hickman's FF run really is so freaking good though
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Yeah your review is super cool and gives me everything I felt was missing from Lick's. Seems like a killer mix.
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Timby posted:I remember once he spent the first like 1,500 words of a 3,000-word review going on and on and on and on about the television writing and production process and how it works, explaining it to us like it was TV 101 ... except he was talking about a process that was literally not at all the way Doctor Who (or most other British TV) works. hahah i remember this, the best
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tbf I got pretty vindicated after Oxx called everyone horrible spergs and burned out
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Jul 10, 2017 11:53
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Why would you need to carry it on? Full story got told already.
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Jul 10, 2017 17:52
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I do NOT want to drag all this up fully but for me it's almost entirely a tonal thing. I'd rather watch a show that more resembled a sorta crappy British kids show but still fundamentally understood it's character than one that looks/feels more like modern sci-fi but has the Doctor getting turned on by his girlfriend murdering aliens. I could probably write a whole essay about that one line (it's in 602 if anyone can't remember) and how I consider it entirely representative of Moff and his flippant, sorta lovely attitude/willingness to ignore pretty much the central tenet of the Doctor's character (violence and murder are wrong) in order to (in this case) make a quip about how River makes him horny. But obviously I'm not gonna do that Anyway the point of this post is to say that calling Moff hate disingenuous isn't really fair because not everyone watches TV the same way as you or for the same reasons
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Jul 12, 2017 09:03
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I can't remember Beast Below but Victory has the Doctor being best mates with Churchill the bloody British hero which is a trillion kinds of urghhhhhhhhhh e: ^^^ Don't forget calling Indians "a beastly people with a beastly religion"
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Jul 12, 2017 14:59
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Glad to hear people like Bill because that character definitely seemed like it could have gone either way.
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Jul 15, 2017 08:23
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I agree with Occ about the event in the episode being sexist, but I'm not sure about the idea that Doctor Who always 'operates under a level of sexism' simply because its protagonist is a white male. Like, does that apply to EVERY show with a white male protagonist?
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Jul 15, 2017 22:51
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EDIT: never mind the post above me explains it really well. DocWhat you silly.
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Jul 15, 2017 22:58
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at least this one actually served as a review of the episode unlike the heaven sent debacle
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Jul 16, 2017 00:20
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Redmayne's too busy being the Doctor of the Harry Potter world anyway. cba to go into the main thread but love the choice of Whittaker, she rules
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Jul 16, 2017 19:02
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Broadchurch is a bad show I stopped watching early on but she's real good in Attack the Block
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Jul 16, 2017 19:24
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^^^^^ this is a good post
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Jul 17, 2017 23:06
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Reminder that Moffat is a gigantic piece of poo poo https://twitter.com/vulture/status/889239546457722881
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Jul 24, 2017 17:12
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I mean he's very clearly being like "can't bloody say anything these days!!!!!" instead of whatever you guys are claiming?
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Jul 24, 2017 18:52
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Oxx was the other one, you guys.
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Jul 24, 2017 22:44
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And More posted:When in doubt, always interpret Moffat in the least charitable way possible. I mean....yes, obviously.
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DoctorWhat posted:No! NOT obviously! That's called intellectual dishonesty! The thing is that we all know the "there's a tremendous lack of respect for anything male"/"you are loving BANISHED from doctor who" Moffat is the real one, so why give him the benefit of the doubt?
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Jul 24, 2017 23:58
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Moffat wasn't talking as a writer (he was complaining after getting corrected for misusing a pronoun during a panel) but I get your point about how there isn't a good way to refer to people who don't conform to either gender (even if I would argue that's not the point he was making in that quote). I don't really share your hatred for they/their though
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Jul 25, 2017 00:29
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DoctorWhat posted:nearly a decade of capable, three-dimensional female characters  you ok dude?
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Jul 25, 2017 00:33
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DoctorWhat posted:HE WAS NOT CORRECTED FOR MISUSING A PRONOUN I'm just goin' off that tweet, dude. Doesn't seem like the kind of thing someone covering a live panel would make up for laughs.
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Jul 25, 2017 00:37
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This is unquestionably the best thread in TVIV
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Jul 25, 2017 00:40
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Next season of Who will have an American style writer's room, jsyk. So all that stuff Occ said forever ago will actually become relevant
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Jul 28, 2017 12:31
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*googles* yep that looks like exactly the type of game Occ would get obsessed with
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Jul 29, 2017 19:08
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This whole "Jerusalem reviews the actual episode, while Occ reviews a concept" thing is working out pretty good
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I'm only like halfway through Night in the Woods but I haven't seen that theme at all. The town is dilapidated but so far this hasn't been expressly given a reason besides usual "it's a small town death of middle America etc" stuff
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