should i vote the lesser evil when both evils want to kill the poor?

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Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

I know Hillary was a very flawed candidate, but her platform for the 2016 election didn't seem very gently caress the poor to me. Higher minimum wage, paid maternity leave, much cheaper/more subsidized state college, etc.

# ¿ Jul 4, 2017 14:34

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Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

MikeCrotch posted:

Hillary's message was essentially that the status quo was fine, it just needs tinkering with via a few schemes. $12.50 minimum wage, cheaper college etc. "America Is Already Great", after all.

There are masses of poorer Americans who feel, very justifiably, that the current system is completely stacked against them. A candidate that basically only appeals to people who are doing OK right now is not going to win the votes of the the massive numbers of disillusioned poor people out there, as Hillary didn't (in the right states) in 2016.

The test for the Democrats being a true party of the poor instead of the least-bad option will be the minute they actually go against corporate and wealthy interests to implement something that benefits working class people. So far that hasn't happened.

I don't really disagree, she was obviously an incrementalist, but the proposed policies would still have moved things in the right direction, at least, assuming she followed through (which I realize is itself debatable).

edit: also the poor people that are really screwed are the ones in rural areas, and as discussed in the rural poverty thread there's no obvious solution there for their economic woes (other than 'move somewhere else') from either the left or right.

Cicero fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jul 4, 2017

# ¿ Jul 4, 2017 14:52

Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Main Paineframe posted:

"well one guy will kill a hundred people and the other will kill ten thousand people, so really both of them are exactly the same and there's no point in me leaving my parents basement to involve myself with the outside world in any way"

It's more like "well we're already killing a hundred poor people a day, one side wants to halve it and the other wants to double it. Since neither wants to stop it completely I guess that means they're the same."

# ¿ Jul 6, 2017 00:14

Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Not true, socially we've made a lot of progress, gay rights being the most obvious example.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2017 00:59

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