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Doctor Spaceman posted:Although it is pretty badly scripted too. How about that one scene where the team of UNIT soldiers - who are presumably trained to deal with alien menaces - go into the ghost town in America, having been told, "Listen, these are devious shape-changers who can and will try to play mind games with you - don't fall for it!" and the lead guy instantly believes one of them pretending to be his mum (did she live in the ghost town? Was the ghost town the soldier's hometown? Should he have expected to find her there?) and not only goes into the obvious trap unarmed, but convinces his men to put down their guns and do the same thing? There's so many better ways you could have done that scene and that one feels like such a first-draft placeholder it's mind-boggling. Or the bit where the Doctor and someone else (I can't remember who it was - maybe Osgood?) are walking about when a couple of police officers get out of a car in the background and start approaching them menacingly, then next thing you know they're somewhere completely different and the thing with the "Are those policemen Zygons?" is never resolved? It's just not very well-written. I didn't really enjoy "Kill the Moon" either but it wasn't that badly-written. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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Anyway, I don't feel like talking about bad episodes, so here's fun. I was re-reading the list of actors who could have been the Doctor the other day. While I wouldn't want to replace any of the actors who did play the part, the ones from that list I most would've liked to see in the role are Michael Hordern as Two, Richard Griffiths as Five (or Eight in a putative post-McCoy season in 1991) or Ben Daniels as Twelve. As far as actors who were to my knowledge never considered to play the Doctor (fantasy casting, obviously, but hopefully realistic fantasy casting, i.e. realistically could have happened), I would have most enjoyed Peter Wyngarde or Laurence Payne as either Three or Four and James Hazeldine as Five for Six.
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Jul 7, 2017 09:24
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After The War posted:Resurrection of the Dales (gently caress the haters) It's better than "Revelation" but not as good as "Remembrance". quote:I love Caves of Androzani and can talk about it for hours, but it really does work best as a capstone to the Davison era. Partly because it perfectly nails what Saward had been trying for, bringing sharp focus on the earlier stories' flaws, but also because it ties to themes running throughout his run, and his need to save his companion at any cost. Plus it will give you something to look forward to. That's the thing - Saward was influenced by Bob Holmes and wanted to write Bob Holmes stories, but he had his own style and formula, which boiled down to "there's a badass mercenary gunslinger type, the Doctor is secondary to this character, and everybody dies at the end". "Caves" is Holmes writing a story using this formula, but it works a lot better than most of Saward's own efforts simply, I think, because Holmes was a better writer than Saward. What did Saward do after Doctor Who, by the way?
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After The War posted:Resurrection of the Dales With John Craven, Kate Humble and Ed Balls.
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Jul 7, 2017 14:08
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Vinylshadow posted:Jon Pertwee was born 98 years ago today He was in naval intelligence with Ian Fleming, Christopher Lee et al. during the war, wasn't he? I think there was an article about it when a bunch of files were declassified a couple of years ago; he reported directly to Churchill and Attlee, which is pretty cool.
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Jul 7, 2017 19:36
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Imagine some alternate timeline where the BBC weren't interested in Doctor Who in the 60s so Sidney Newman et al. took it to Hammer Film Productions instead, and either Cushing or Lee played the Doctor, and it becomes this long-running cult film series.
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Jul 7, 2017 20:31
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Well, Peter Cushing was one of several actors considered for the Second Doctor, so he probably would've ended up looking the way he looked when he was Sherlock Holmes in the mid-60s.
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Jul 7, 2017 21:04
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James Nesbitt. He's from a north.
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Jul 9, 2017 22:13
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Pesky Splinter posted:A US analogue would be Star Trek; pretty sure most people could tell you that Captain Kirk is the captain of the Enterprise, Spock is an alien with a salute, and that Scotty beams people places (mostly up or down), and they fight Klingons - without having watched a single episode ever. I feel like Doctor Who has a different kind of profile in Britain compared with Star Trek in America. I feel like there's a bigger and wider sense of affection for Doctor Who; no doubt a combination of its status as more of a children's programme and the smaller audience. But compare the fiftieth anniversary of Doctor Who to the fiftieth anniversary of Star Trek.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:19
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More succinctly, Star Trek has a reputation for being a "nerd" show whereas Doctor Who is a "family" show.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:44
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Sure, I imagine plenty of people who didn't watch the programme saw the Amicus films.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:57
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One thing I'm fairly hopeful about for the next season is that the new Doctor won't necessarily have a home base and won't necessarily have to pick his companions up to go on adventures. While the companions' lives outside the Doctor and ability to visit home has been an enjoyable part of the programme since 2005, that's been the case for several seasons now and I wouldn't object if the Doctor just met a new friend and they flew off in the TARDIS and that was more or less that.
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Jul 10, 2017 13:20
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I think I first knew him as the bad guy in 28 Days Later.
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Jul 10, 2017 18:24
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Bicyclops posted:They've got to be just about ready to announce who the next Doctor is at this point if they're done filming. It'll probably just get leaked if they wait much longer. I feel like there's been less active speculation this year. I know that's erroneous but I think there was a lot more "Who could it be?" when Tennant and Smith left. Perhaps it's because speculation coalesced around two or three actors (Kris Marshall, Phoebe Waller-Bridge and, at least early on, Olivia Colman) fairly early on. I haven't really heard anything about Marshall since the flurry of speculation leading to the closure of betting on him earlier in the year, actually, which is odd given you had all those non-BBC news sites "announcing" him as the next Doctor.
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Jul 11, 2017 19:51
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And More posted:The issue with all of these is that the BBC wants a handsome man, and Kris Marshall doesn't cut it, imo. It's probably either Tom Rosenthal or Chris Mason. Quite. Luke Treadaway and Sacha Dhawan have been mentioned. (Dhawan is the only one who can realistically follow Capaldi on the eyebrow front.)
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Jul 11, 2017 23:10
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Organza Quiz posted:I've seen Aidan Turner's name thrown in in some article at some point although I'd think that would be more likely if Toby Whithouse was show running. If we absolutely had to have another white dude he'd be pretty great, especially if they let him keep his accent and throw in some more isn't Gallifrey a place in Ireland? jokes. Eleanor Tomlinson as the Doctor; Aidan Turner as her assistant. 
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Jul 12, 2017 11:04
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Recent comment from Rachel Talalay - who is directing the Christmas episode - is that she doesn't know who the next Doctor is.
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Jul 12, 2017 23:58
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Bicyclops posted:Planet of the Dead has Daniel Kaluuya in it With Reggie Yates getting older and Ukweli Roach off working in America, he's one of the guys I'd be keen to see playing Peter Grant if and when that Rivers of London adaptation ever gets a move on. The_Doctor posted:I just totted up and realised I'm about ~£50 from completing my classic Who on DVD run. I don't think I have a complete classic Doctor run on DVD. The closest is McCoy, because the one I don't own is, erm, "Time and the Rani". I think I have all the Colin Bakers that aren't Trial of a Time Lord, since that only comes in a box set.
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Jul 13, 2017 10:29
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Talk about a waste of talent!
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The_Doctor posted:Out of those, Ukweli Roach fits closer to my head version. Plus Kaluuya is off in the US too now. Black Panther, Get Out, etc. I knew Roach had done Blindspot. I have no loving idea how I forgot that Kaluuya was in Get Out. quote:McGann is Nightingale through and through. Aaronovitch's first choice, I believe.
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Jul 13, 2017 10:54
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In any event, if they are going to cast a non-white Doctor, perhaps they should choose a British Asian actor, because I have heard that Britons of Asian (and particularly south Asian) descent constitute the largest proportion of BAME Britons but are (according to an article I read which explained why Citizen Khan is so popular despite its sometimes dubious comedic value) proportionately even more poorly-represented on television in the UK than black Britons (feel free to dispute this because I did not seek further sources). It is a shame Ace Bhatti isn't younger. And Naveen Andrews. Raza Jaffrey would be good.
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I've no doubt Elba would be very good as James Bond but I think he'd be too similar to Craig. (Random observation that Craig has been Bond for as long as Roger Moore was and he's managed to get half as many movies out - hardly his fault obviously but an odd thing to think about.) Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Plavski posted:the tardis wiki is loving weird sometimes There's only one good fan wiki and it's the TFWiki, because they realise their hobby is a bit silly.
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Jul 14, 2017 10:49
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Fil5000 posted:(That loving sherrif is awful, mind) He's a mildly amusing side character in Live and Let Die but he's dire in The Man With the Golden Gun. I think he was put in the latter because of the fuel crisis or something like that? I don't really know any of the details.
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Jul 14, 2017 12:08
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Next Doctor: Robert Kilroy-Silk. Next companion: Des from Diggit. No reason other than I'm curious whatever happened to them.
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thrawn527 posted:Hey, the clown thing was actually great. Also, what's wrong with having sex with Grace Jones? Uh, other than the age gap, but that's not even the worst sex age gap in that movie. That's (part of) why he quit - he was filming A View To A Kill discovered he wasn't just older than the Bond girl; he was older than the Bond girl's mother (the other reason he quit was that he though the movies were getting too violent - he's supposed to have really, really hated the scene where Christopher Walken machine guns a bunch of people while cackling insanely). Have actually been watching The Saint lately and it's not hard at all to see why Roger Moore was apparently on their radar to succeed Connery throughout the 1960s. I was actually a bit surprised to find myself deciding that Moore played a fairly decent Holmes in Sherlock Holmes In New York City (co-starring Patrick Macnee as Watson). The_Doctor posted:Didn't Kilroy go off the deep end with Brexit? <googles> Oh, right. He made a political party called... Veritas. Oh, I'm fairly sure Kilroy-Silk went off the deep end long before Brexit was a glint in Sir James Goldsmith's eye.
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So, just so we're clear, still Kris Marshall, right?
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I'm thinking back to last time; Capaldi hadn't been massively discussed (I don't remember if we had anywhere near the level of "it'll be either this one or that one" when we were awaiting Twelve's casting that we seem to have had with Marshall and Waller-Bridge; I couldn't tell you who was attracting the most speculation back then at all) until virtually just before he was announced when there was a big rush of bets on him. Phoebe Waller-Bridge is the favourite but going by the Clinton/May Precedent, 2016-17 is not a good year for women who are the favourites.
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Michelle Dockery should be the Doctor but only if she dyes her hair white and puts a black streak in it again.  It's a sonic fire poker. 
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learnincurve posted:Any of the pretty ones from Merlin. I understand Alexander Vlahos really wants to play the Doctor and has in fact decided how he would play the role (like Paul McGann did, basically).
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Here's an older Beeb article which has been updated in the last few hours going over the most likely prospects. What's the likelihood it'll be none of the above? I know everyone would love Tilda Swinton to do it, but when people suggest her, are they doing so seriously or is it just wishful thinking? I have a hard time seeing Academy Award-winning movie star and performance artist Tilda Swinton signing on to commit to at least three years of a teatime science-fiction show. 
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Jul 14, 2017 22:40
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docbeard posted:I haven't ever really followed the bookies' choices that closely, but wasn't Patterson Joseph considered to be very heavily in the running for Eleven right up until Matt Smith was cast? That's a vague memory so I'm probably wrong about some/all of the details. I know Joseph definitely was and I remember there being speculation around James McAvoy as well. I remember shortly after Tennant's departure was announced, there was a big two-page spread in the Daily Mail about who it could be next of which the centrepiece was a huge picture of Catherine Zeta-Jones.
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The_Doctor posted:I mean I did all give you a big hint a couple of months ago. You are Kris Marshall?!
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Do we suppose this will be another half-hour announcement special or is it just going to be one of those 10 second adverts Capaldi did where he said "Hello. My name I shall Peter Capaldi, and I am the Doctor!"
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Forktoss posted:Here's some new bookie predictions that are completely and totally meaningless: I wish I understood how odds work. 
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Jul 15, 2017 17:32
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All these folks are getting upset over nothing because it's probably still going to be Kris Marshall.
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Jul 15, 2017 22:16
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Oben posted:"Oh you think a woman would be a bad Doctor? Here's Kris Marshall!" Haha if it is a woman Kris Marshall will become a new unwilling alt-right icon like Pepe the frog.
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Jul 15, 2017 23:04
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Actual footage of the casting department at the BBC.
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Jul 15, 2017 23:58
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glowing-fish posted:This is someone not from Britain checking in on a point: I think Tom Baker and Matt Smith were the only ones who were really "unknowns" when they were cast. It's the same for James Bond - the only actor cast as James Bond who was already a really big star was Roger Moore and he was mainly a TV actor (in fact he was the highest-paid TV actor in the world at the time). Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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The_Doctor posted:Daniel Craig was fairly big, no? Only really for Layer Cake. He wasn't an A-lister until Casino Royale. That's the point I probably should have made: no Bond actor has been an A-list movie actor when they were cast in the role. ANYWAY. I wouldn't mind if Kris Marshall is the new Doctor - I don't think he'd be bad in the role - I'm just confused that the Beeb are keen to have Tennant 2.0 and they pick a guy who always seems to looks kind of gormless.
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thrawn527 posted:If we're counting TV Star, then doesn't Pierce Brosnan qualify? Sure, fair enough. I've heard that in the eight(ish) years between Brosnan being cast (leading to Remington Steele being unexpectedly renewed) and GoldenEye actually being made, Broccoli went off Brosnan and wanted to replace Dalton with Liam Neeson instead.
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