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My father used to tell me about listening to stories on the radio when he was younger. From the 30’s through the 60’s, radio dramas saw a golden age. Shows like The Lone Ranger, Dragnet, or The Shadow had immense popularity. With the advent of television, radio drama saw a decline, since broadcasters were unwilling to spend money to produce quality shows with a dwindling audience. Then came the internet. Podcasting has a low bar of entry. All you need is a microphone, a computer, and an internet connection. As a result, there has been a revival of audio drama in the last several years. The low cost makes it an especially fertile ground for science fiction and fantasy stories, since the most elaborate visuals can simply be described. What follows are some of our suggestions for serialized audio fiction, along with rankings of how popular they are in this thread. We come together here to recommend some of our favorites, get excited about new episodes, and share our thoughts on the state of the medium. I’m also happy to add anyone’s personal suggestions to the OP, provided you write up a brief, low-spoiler description. Welcome to Night Vale: The grand-daddy of them all. Night Vale is a town where all conspiracy theories are true. The narrator is Cecil Palmer, host of the Night Vale Community Radio Station. Fundamentally this is a comedy about how people are accepting and oblivious of things that they should really fight back against, but these things are eldritch Lovecraftian horrors. Over time, the characters develop real relationships and unexpected depths. If you’re interested in serial fiction podcasts you probably know all about this one (it has its own thread), but if you haven’t given it a try then it’s a good place to start. Total Rating: 26 (6 votes) Average Rating: 4.3/5 Within the Wires: Another from Night Vale Presents, this is presented in the format of a series of meditation tapes. The story takes a while to cohere, but it appears to be about a scientific organization performing unethical medical experiments and the narrator’s attempt to save one of the victims. This is one of the most unorthodox in terms of structure, but if you pay attention you find a very clear narrative. Total Score: 22 (5 votes) Average Rating: 4.4/5  The Bright Sessions: Just because you have superpowers doesn’t mean you have your poo poo together. When someone with atypical abilities needs therapy, they can talk to Dr. Joan Bright. A small cast of characters, including a time traveler, an empath, and a mind-reader, attend regular therapy sessions to learn how to deal with their unusual situations. They discuss how to face their fears, deal with romance, and fit in to a society that doesn’t know they exist, all while avoiding those who’d exploit their powers for nefarious means. Total Score: 21 (5 votes) Average Score: 4.2/5  Alice Isn’t Dead: From Night Vale Presents comes a Stephen King-style horror story about the wide open spaces in the United States of America. Alice mysteriously disappeared some time ago. The narrator is a truck driver who was married to Alice and is convinced that Alice is still alive. She searches the country looking for Alice while being stalked by hideous almost-human creatures known as the Thistle-Men. AiD is more of a novel released in chapters than an episodic series, and it’s mostly just one woman talking into the microphone, but the strong writing and engaging background music elevates it. Total Score: 21 (6 votes) Average Rating: 3.5/5 Wolf 359: Orbiting a star 7.5 light years from earth is the space station Hephaestus. The crew consists of slacker Doug Eiffel, straight-laced commander Minkowski, ethically dubious Dr. Hilbert, and sassy AI Hera. What starts as a sci-fi sitcom eventually turns into a survival drama when the characters learn they were sent there under false pretenses, and must figure out how to get back to Earth in one piece. Total Score: 20 (4 votes) Average Rating: 5/5 The Magnus Archives: A horror anthology series set in a stuffy British occult institution. At the top of the series the archivist has just taken over after the last one disappeared and he's trying to to get things in order. Each episode has a small segment at the beginning and end relating to the current goings on in the archives while the meat of the episode is a statement from someone who has encountered the paranormal. It's plotted to last five seasons and the non-statement parts do have a purpose and lead up to an ending that answers a lot of questions while also raising a few more. There's a Patreon that promises exclusive content expanding the world but so far most of it is stuff from their sister program Rusty Quill Gaming. Total Score: 17 (4 votes) Average Rating: 4.25/5  Ars Paradoxica: Brilliant physicist Sally Grissom is involved in an uncontrolled experiment and gets sent back to 1943. Having just invented time travel, but unable to return to her own time, she finds herself working for the U.S. government and helping them win WWII. The result is a ton of stories where temporal paradoxes are created and explored. But when the shadier side of the government starts using her technology to violate civil liberties and gain an advantage in the Cold War, she and her team of scientists must decide what it means to use their science ethically. Total Score: 16.5 (4 votes) Average Score: 4.125/5 Limetown: In 2004, a secret research facility in the Appalachians sent out a distress call. Something went wrong, and first responders rushed to help but were barred from entry. 72 hours later, the facility was opened and everyone was gone, with no signs of what happened to them. Lia Haddock is a reporter for not-NPR and is determined to find out what happened, slowly unearthing a science fiction conspiracy. The only downside to this podcast is that it’s only six episodes and ended on a cliffhanger over a year ago. There is the promise of a new season, but no dates yet. Most people agree it’s worth your time, but be prepared to be frustrated by the suspense. Total Rating: 16 (5 votes) Average Rating: 3.2/5 The Far Meridian: Peri is a young girl who lives in a lighthouse and hasn’t left for years. One day, her lighthouse appears in a new place, and every night it vanishes and reappears somewhere else the next day. Cut off from her comfort zone, Peri must learn how to live with her new situation and go outside to the world she’d been avoiding. Total Score: 12 (3 votes) Average Rating: 4/5  Archive 81: This starts as a found footage series about Daniel Powell working as an archivist and hearing records of a corporate plot involving eldritch abominations. In the second season it dramatically shifts genre as Dan is sucked into an alternate universe, where he and his team explore an unknown continent and try to survive the horrors of the new world. Total Score: 12 (4 votes) Average Rating: 3/5  The Black Tapes: Another in the genre of fake-NPR documentaries, this is basically a reworking of the X-Files. Richard Strand makes a living debunking paranormal occurrences. He joins the more open-minded reporter Alex Regan in traveling the country looking into reporters of unexplained phenomena. Meanwhile, Alex is investigating the mysterious disappearance of Strand’s wife and an obscure cult with beliefs about the imminent end of the world. Total Rating: 11 (5 votes) Average Rating: 2.2/5 Tanis: Another podcast in the same universe as The Black Tapes (known as the Pacific Northwest Stories shared universe), Nic Silver is looking into something called Tanis. Its nature is unclear, but it is tied into dozens of infamous conspiracy theories. Nic soon finds himself in danger and has to decide if he’s willing to risk his life and sanity to uncover the truth. Total Rating: 9 (4 votes) Average Rating: 2.25/5 Wooden Overcoats: A tightly scripted British sitcom in the tradition of Fawlty Towers. Rudyard Funn is a thoroughly unlikeable man, and for years he and his agoraphobic sister Antigone ran the only funeral home in the village of Piffling Vale. Unfortunately for them, the charming and skilled Eric Chapman has just opened a rival funeral home across the street, stealing all their business. Rudyard launches scheme after scheme to get their business back and destroy Chapman’s reputation, much to the chagrin of Antigone and their assistant Georgie. The schemes inevitably backfire, yet Rudyard continues with his mission to “put the body in the coffin in the ground on time.” Total Score: 8.5 (2 votes) Average Rating: 4.25/5 Terms: A demagogue with no strong political experience and disdain for the norms of governance runs for president of the United States and wins, despite losing the popular vote. This story was written at least in part before Trump ran for president. The meat of the series is the sitting president trying to use Constitutional chicanery to prevent the demagogue from assuming office. The first season ends on a pretty weird note, but it’s a well-produced political drama. Total Score: 8 (2 votes) Average Rating: 4/5 The Orbiting Human Circus (of the Air): The last of the Night Vale Presents shows, this one is about a variety show that is recorded at the Eiffel Tower. We follow the janitor Julian as he tries to become part of the show without being thrown out altogether. Needless to say, there’s more going on, and the story takes some weird twists late in the first season. Total Score: 7 (3 votes) Average Rating: 2.3/5 Hello from the Magic Tavern: Arnie Niecamp fell through a magical portal behind a Burger King in Chicago, into the fantastical, magical land of Foon. Luckily he’s still getting a slight wifi signal from the Burger King, and he uses it to upload a weekly podcast. He interviews wizards, shape-shifters, goblins, elves, and other magical creatures in a high-fantasy Tolkienesque world. The show’s format is an improvisational comedy, and the actors frequently find themselves riffing on unexpected drop-ins and puns. Despite the loose structure, there is a strong continuity and things that are introduced early on remain part of the series canon indefinitely, no matter how ridiculous they might be. Total Score: 6.5 (2 votes) Average Rating: 3.25/5 Rabbits: Rabbits - When Carly Parker’s friend Yumiko goes missing under very mysterious circumstances, Carly’s search for her friend leads her headfirst into a ancient mysterious game known only as Rabbits. Soon Carly begins to suspect that Rabbits is much more than just a game, and that the key to understanding Rabbits, might be the key to the survival of our species, and the Universe, as we know it. Look, if you like Tanis, and you like the Blacktapes, and you don't mind that they almost never wrap anything up, you're probably going to find more of the same here. If you don't like my take, USA Today did an article on it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...tanis/99357196/ Total Score: 6 (2 votes) Average Rating: 3/5 Secrets, Crimes, and Audiotape: This is an anthology series from Wondery, who have some of the highest production values of any podcast network. Some of the stories are one-shots, while others go for up to six episodes. The stories span all genres, from an Arrested Development style comedy about family dysfunction to a drama about child labor in sweatshops to a musical parody of Serial. Since these are shorter stories that require less commitment, they often get big name actors like Stacy Keach or Jane Kaczmyrek to play roles. Total Score: 5 (1 vote) Average Rating: 5/5 Sight Unseen: A spinoff from SCA, this is about a bratty teenage girl who gets into a near fatal car crash. The accident blinds her but also gives her psychic powers. The story is half about her restructuring her life and relationships around her knew disability, and half about her developing her powers and discovering a secret society of people with similar abilities. The show is on hiatus now, but they’re working on a second season. Total Score: 5 (1 vote) Average Rating: 5/5 Homecoming is a psychological thriller from Gimlet Media staring Catherine Keener, Oscar Isaac, and David Schwimmer. It follows the actions of Heidi Bergman (Keener), documenting her past as a case worker helping veterans with PTSD at an experimental facility. Season 2 is about to start. Total Score: 5 (1 vote) Average Rating: 5/5 Qwerpline: Serialized improvisational (!) comedy series from LoadingReadyRun. Small town talk radio from the bizarre town of Nsburg. Like the bastard offspring of Welcome to Night Vale and UHF. Total Score: 5 (1 vote) Average Rating: 5/5 EOS10: This podcast tells the stories of two maladjusted doctors and their medical team aboard an intergalactic travel hub on the edges of deep space — along with a deposed prince who's claimed the foodcourt kitchen as his new throne. It's a story of acceptance, within a frame of utter ridiculousness. Good production style, great acting. It's been described as Scrubs in Space, and it's not far wrong. This is only two very short seasons. As it's been a couple of years it's unlikely to be resurrected. Total Score: 5 (1 vote) Average Rating: 5/5 Edict Zero – FIS: Follows the special agents of the Federal Investigative Service as they investigate the strange bombing of a club on New Year's Eve, 2415. What they uncover leads to more and stranger questions with possibly world-changing ramifications. Episode releases are really far apart but luckily there's a fairly large backlog and each ep is at least an hour long. The acting is great and the sound design on this is insane. Total Score: 4 (1 vote) Average Rating: 4/5 Alba Salix, Royal Physician: Farloria’s Royal Physician has her work cut out for her. As head witch and the only regular staff member at the new House of Healing, Alba’s got an endless lineup of patients and a bickering King and Queen to please. Fortunately, help is on the way. Unfortunately, that help is from Magnus, a troublesome young ex-monk and aspiring surgeon, and Holly, an accident-prone fairy herbalist. The blurb doesn't really do it justice, it's got characters you can believe in and a script that'll make you giggle at least once every episode. Hopefully they will get round to doing a Season 2 soon(TM)... Total Score: 4 (1 vote) Average Rating: 4/5 Earbud Theatre: This is a thriller/horror podcast where each episode is a standalone story, told by excellent actors. The style and production is some of the best, and because each episode is its own thing, there's no over-arching plot to get lost along the way. Total Score: 4 (1 vote) Average Rating: 4/5 The Thrilling Adventure Hour: This is actually several different serial stories in one package. A group of comedians, including Paul F. Tompkins, perform old-style radio dramas before a live audience. "Beyond Belief" is a comedy about paranormal investigators, "Sparks Nevada" is a sci-fi/Western hybrid set on Mars, and there are several others as well. Total Score: 3 (1 vote) Average Rating: 3/5 A New Winter: This is another novel presented in podcast form, though with much lower production values than Alice Isn't Dead. It's a story about a series of murders and disappearances that took place in a small English town in the year 2000. The main character is trying to discover what happened to his former friend-with-benefits and discovers a twisted cult that he may have personal ties to. The first season seems heavily inspired by Twin Peaks, down to finding a weird red room where a man speaks gibberish and dances compulsively. As the show goes on it gets weirder and more confusing, perhaps involving demons and time travel. Total Score: 2 Average Rating: 2/5 Epcult is a fictional walking tour of Walt Disney World focusing on the mystical secrets therein. It's a couple of episodes in at this point, starting in the Magic Kingdom.  Mabel Anna Limón is a caregiver for Sally Martin, an elderly woman with Parkinson's. The narrative is a series of voicemails that Anna leaves as she tries to locate Sally's missing granddaughter, Mabel. This is like Alice isn't Dead in that it's about atmosphere and language as much as plot. It's steeped in fairie folklore and greek mythology and has a great use of music.  Spines Wren wakes up in an attic, covered in blood from some sort of ritual, and with no memory of who she is. This is one of the more underrated podcasts. There’s a southwestern road trip feel to it combined with some unsettling body horror.  Greater Boston Interconnected lives along the Red Line in Boston. Riders decide to make the train line it's own city. Fortune telling, Atlantis, and maple syrup terrorist attacks.  Friends of the Void A man is trapped in a lighthouse with something waiting outside. He tries to get messages out and distracts himself with various tapes he finds. The tapes are different stories that don't really have anything to do with the main narration. There are also a couple of pissy Artificial Intelligences who snipe at each other and try to lead him around. He may also be posessed by a digital demon.  Slumberland Thomas Edward M, a sound archivist, is hired to record the people and events in the Northwest island community of Slumberland. It's a standard wacky-townsfolk narrative, almost like a cross between Night Vale and Greater Boston. It can be wildly uneven depending on the character the episode is focused on and your tolerance for their acting choices, but it can be interesting.  The Alexandria Archives A college radio program from the South's Answer to Miskatonic University. It's a combination of episodic and serial fiction; one half of an episode is the host giving a running commentary on the ins and outs of the Alexandria University, with recurring characters of the Kings Falls variety; the other half is one-shot stories (which can be user submitted) of a variety of types.  Rover Red In a post-Apocalyptic dystopia, Leah leaves her compound to search for her kidnapped brother. This is an interactive podcast where the listener can act as part of the ""Rover Council"" and help decide the direction of the story as well as send messages to Leah.  The Behemoth A giant emerges from the Atlantic Ocean and walks across America. 15 year old Madyson follows.  Passage A lifeboat from a passenger ship that disappeared 150 years ago is discovered in the Puget Sound with 4 skeletons on board. This is a six-episode, self-contained story in the vein of Limetown.  SAYER - similar to Wolf 359, SAYER starts off as mostly dark comedy (think very Portal) as it tells the stories that occur onboard the far future research station Typhon, ran by the amoral AI SAYER and his bosses at Aerolith Dynamics but it evolves into a pretty drat good story even if it only has a handful of important characters. Season 3 ended with what was very much a finale, but the creator got into a kick and wanted to revisit the setting, funding his effort through a very successful Kickstarter and, I have to say, he found a very clever way around how the podcast originally ended.  Our Fair City - Styled after an old timey radio drama, Our Fair City tells tales of an underground post apocalyptic civilisation in an often humorous, whimsical way. Each episode manages to set its own tone, but the whole thing still manages to be cohesive. It has an almost older French comic feel at times, with a big emphasis on worldbuilding. The Message takes the form of a cryptography podcast whose host gets involved with a cryptography consulting firm hired to decode an alien message received by a US military radio station at the end of World War II in 1945. However, as the message begins to be decoded, the effects of listening to it causes mental harm to certain people who hear it - which becomes a bigger problem as the message is broadcast around the world, leading to people beginning to succumb to its effects worldwide. Total Score: 4 (1 vote) Average Rating: 4/5 Life/After is about an FBI agent whose wife died, and he obsessively listens to recordings of her. One day, the recordings start talking back to him, and reveal that she is a detailed recreation of his dead wife made by a cult-like group, compiled from her social media, email accounts, and the like (think of the Black Mirror episode Be Right Back, but just as an AI, not a physical body). However, the cult begins to restrict his access to her until he agrees to start spying on the FBI's investigation of them from the inside, just as the FBI starts pressuring him to infiltrate the group. It was advertises as being similar to a cross between the movies Her and Ex Machina. King Falls AM- Its a podcast set in a small town. The two hosts are running a late night talk show where different members of the public call in about whatever subjects they happen to want to talk about. While its much more grounded in reality then welcome to nightvale, it is very much "odd stuff happens" in a small town. UnplacedA short series (though they’re gearing up for season 2) called Unplaced, which from the first episode, I admit I was ready to write off, but it somehow stuck with me. It’s the story of a woman who wakes up one day to find that no one can see or hear her, and everyone she knows is slowly forgetting about her. Good use of a single narrator. If I’m being fair, I’d give it a 3.5/5. [Always room to add more, just post a description in this thread and I'll edit the OP.] Jurgan fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Apr 7, 2018 |
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I'd like to sort these podcasts by how popular they are in this thread, and keep a running tally. So if you've listened to any of them, please respond with a rating between 1 and 5. The total score will show the overall enjoyment, while the average score might help some lesser known shows to get noticed. I'll supply the format here. To avoid cluttering the thread with a bunch of low content posts, I'd prefer that you PM me your vote. If at any point you change your mind (say a show you liked starts sucking), then let me know. The Bright Sessions: /5 Ars Paradoxica: /5 The Far Meridian: /5 Wolf 359: /5 Hello from the Magic Tavern: /5 Wooden Overcoats: /5 Limetown: /5 The Black Tapes: /5 Tanis: /5 Rabbits: /5 Welcome to Night Vale: /5 Alice Isn’t Dead: /5 Within the Wires: /5 The Orbiting Human Circus (of the Air): /5 The Magnus Archives: /5 Qwerpline: /5 Secrets, Crimes, and Audiotape: /5 Sight Unseen: /5 Terms: /5 Archive 81: /5 Edict Zero – FIS: /5 A New Winter: /5 etc. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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If you want your vote factored into the total, please PM me. This seems arbitrary, but it's mainly for the sake of organization- if I start counting votes in both comments and PM's, then I'm sure I'll lose track and double-count some people. You don't have to vote for all of them- in fact, please don't vote for any you haven't heard- just fill in your vote for any you've listened to.
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Chairman Capone posted:I liked the concept of Ars Paradoxica, but Sally was just such an annoying character whose personality is nothing but a collection of every stereotyped "internet geek girl" cliche and yet is completely fawned over and adored by these people from the 1940s who would care even less about her pop culture obsession bullshit than I do. To me it's sort of the opposite, in that Sally is the only character I can remember. There are so many different people and they all kind of blur together, so I don't really attach to any of them. Not sure why you say Sally is "fawned over and adored," though- half the characters can't stand her, and only put up with her because of what she's done. Chairman Capone posted:Within the Wires is by far my favorite of the non-Welcome to Night Vale podcasts they put out. Alice Isn't Dead just didn't really do it for me, and again I like the concept of Orbiting Human Circus a lot and a lot of the characters in it, but the janitor is performed in such an annoying manner it's a turnoff. But I thought that Within the Wires was a combination of a really interesting and creepy setting with a poignant story that ramped up both aspects as the series progressed. WtW is good, and I need to go back and listen to it again. At first, I couldn't make sense of it, but by the end there was a lot of cool stuff going on. OHC was the opposite, in that I started out thinking I understood it, but it got so twisted by the end that I couldn't figure out what was going on anymore, so I stopped caring. Chairman Capone posted:I liked the GE Podcast Theater stuff (The Message and LifeAfter), much more than I thought I would like a podcast put out as an ad for a giant industrial megacompany. Both have interesting ideas and refreshingly are each a self-contained, one-and-done storyline, so it doesn't tread into Tanis/Black Tapes territory. I think I liked LifeAfter better, but both are worth a listen. I'd appreciate if you'd write up a little blurb about these, as what you wrote doesn't tell me about the content. I'd like to add them to the OP.
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The most recent Alice Isn't Dead was really good, and the next one promises to be even better. The show has meandered a bit in season two, but there was some genuinely scary stuff in this one.
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Jul 29, 2017 03:50
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Now that Alice Isn't Dead is getting a TV show, I guess the "podcast as pilot" model is officially a thing? At least they're mostly making good choices (Welcome to Night Vale would not work onscreen).
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Aug 17, 2017 07:09
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New Leaf posted:Goddamn, Magnus. Knocking them out of the loving park. Next week can't get here fast enough! I just finished season one. I wish the audio quality had been better, as I could barely hear a lot of the dialogue during the attack on the archives. It was nice hearing Jonathan gradually transition from a soulless recording machine to a human being with emotions.
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Aug 24, 2017 19:35
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immolationsex posted:When would you say that part begins? I listened to ep 20? 30? or so some time ago, and the wackiness never seemed to stop The wackiness abates a bit in episode 12 when Hilbert tries to murder all of them on orders of their superiors. The show is still more or less a comedy, but it gets progressively darker from then on.
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Aug 28, 2017 19:11
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Gregoriev posted:Since Tanis is apparently getting a TV show produced, is it actually worth listening to it? I listened to The Black Tapes all the way through, and went from liking the conceit and promise of what they were setting up until I realized they were just going the LOST path and throwing up a whole bunch of dumb questions they didn't care to really answer, and used the same 5 stock musical backing tracks and 5 annoying sound effects to extremely inappropriate ends. I avoided Tanis for that reason, assuming it'd be similar given the shared universe and thus same producer - is it better than TBT? I'd say it's considerably worse than The Black Tapes. The only reason I made it through season 2 of TBT is that I like Strand as a character. Tanis doesn't have anyone near as interesting, and by midway through season 2 it was just throwing out every conspiracy theory on Wikipedia and vaguely hinting that Tanis is somehow related. The plot is really complicated (my favorite moment was a dramatic reveal that two characters were secretly the same person and I couldn't remember who either one of them were) and you need a flowchart to keep it straight. It compares unfavorably to Magnus Archives in that way- MA also has a sprawling meta-plot, but most episodes are self-contained, so you can still enjoy it even if you can't keep track of all the series long plot threads.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:01
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oatgan posted:is the "intern" in the new Black Tapes a contest winner or something because lol I don't know, I think they deserve an acting award for being able to say things like quote:What if the Pythagorean Comma is the Unsound? The sound that Lucifer made when he was cast out of heaven? and not burst out laughing. I've gotten to the point where I enjoy TBT on a purely camp level, laughing at how they can be so serious about such ridiculous stuff. Also, the diagetic ads should die. I don't want to hear Alex Regan talking about how Me-Undies "cradle your jewels."
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:At this point I'd really rather have podcasts just use straight ad audio from the company, like a radio ad. The only ones that seem plausible to me are the ones on Crooked Media (Pod Save America, Pod Save the World, With Friends Like These, etc.- all non-fiction, but really good if you're into politics and/or hate Donald Trump). The hosts relentlessly mock the trite ad copy, but then tell personal stories and hash out grievances related to the products. "We all had to buy matching Indo-Chino suits in 'heteronormative blue' for your wedding!" "You can order food from Postmates, but wait until we're done watching Game of Thrones!" etc. All they have to do is read the script, so if those testimonials aren't real, then they're putting a lot of effort into writing scenarios that match their personalities. Montalvo posted:Got it, thanks. I feel like this show demands a greater degree of concentration and attention than I give podcasts. Yeah, one of my biggest problems is that anytime it's just one person talking my mind tends to wander, and that's almost all Magnus is. Still, I'm working through the beginning of Season 2 and mostly enjoying it. Thanks for using spoiler text on the discussion of the season finale. I saw that they finally meet Jurgen, who runs the library. That was an interesting plotline, and I'm also amused that his name is almost my screenname, by coincidence.
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Aug 31, 2017 18:53
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Len posted:Someone explain to me why Lore is getting a tv show. It's literally just a dude reading wikipedia pages at me. I haven't listened to Lore, but given my wife's love of true crime shows I can see how it would work. You'd have a reenactment of whatever story is being told playing, and a narrator can describe it through voiceover. Maybe you cut in with experts talking about the plausibility or historical evidence for the events.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:57
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Wolf 359 just keeps getting better this season. I wish I'd posted my predictions earlier, because I totally called it several episodes ago. The aliens want Doug to take a "leap of faith" (a la Last Crusade) by throwing himself into the star. Somehow it's supposed to teleport him to them or get him to meet them or something like that. He went through with it. Also, Jacobi and Minkowsi have a long conversation about murder and responsibility. Oh, and the override codes are "EULER" and "WOLFRAM," keeping with the mathematics motif.
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Sep 5, 2017 18:25
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Mr E posted:This season has been extremely good but I'm also glad the series has a set end point. Agreed. It's good precisely because it's racing towards a climax. If they were trying to keep going for the next five years, then they'd never do anything as daring as some of the recent episodes.
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Sidestep posted:Normally the recommend function in my podcast app is garbage, but it turned up something pretty interesting this morning. Never heard of this, but it sounds amazing. Definitely adding it to my list.
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TenCentFang posted:Podcasts are driving me up a wall. I loved Night Vale right up until the end of the first season when they went full hog on pandering to the fanbase, and I've never been able to recapture the magic. Every single one I try, and I've tried most of the ones in the OP, have at least one big annoying thing that bugs the hell out of me or generally isn't to my tastes. I really hate that if a creative project changes as it gets more popular, they are accused of "pandering" or "selling out." Fink, Cranor, et. al. changed the format gradually based on what they wanted to do. Certainly getting feedback will have an influence, but they shouldn't force themselves to keep things exactly the same for five years if they want to do something different. You're welcome not to like it, but accusations about their motives strike me as unfounded.
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Sep 12, 2017 23:45
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TenCentFang posted:The specific ways it changed was mirrored by the fandom, but since it's not worth arguing about I guess I'll just say "okay, it started sucking, I was a fan until it stopped being good". *shrug*. I like it better. First season was just a guy talking about weird stuff. I like that they took incidental names like Steve Carlsberg or Old Woman Josie and developed them into real characters with relationships and actors. I also tend to like long story arcs, though the current swaps is more like the first season. Also, just gonna say it, most of the time when people say it's "pandering to (Tumblr) fans," what they're really saying is "why did it have to get so gay?" Maybe that's not what you mean, but you didn't really say what your objection was, so...
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You're welcome to dislike it, of course, but most of the things you say are reasons why I do like it. Steve Carlsberg is a good litmus test. Yeah, it was funnier when Steve was just this guy whom Cecil irrationally hated, but how many times can you go to that well? It was a one-joke character. I guess they could have just stopped talking about him altogether, but I like learning that there's actually something there. Carlos was never stated to be straight or gay. Yeah, in the early episodes Cecil was basically the anime trope of a girl enraptured by a handsome man who has no interest in her. But that gets annoying if it never goes anywhere, so they decided to subvert the expectation by having Carlos return his affection. The Strex Arc was at least half satire and half sincerity. It's a fact that people will tolerate problems they create themselves but not when an outsider imposes it. For example, there are people in the U.S. who didn't pay much attention to voter suppression but insist Russia interfering with our election is unacceptable. And it's funny to me that you say things like "the fans are invested in these people" as a negative. I am invested in their stories, and I'm happy to learn more about them. Anyway, none of this is an attempt to convince you to like it, I'm just explaining why I do. I guess I'm one of the people who's ruining it for you (though I didn't start listening until there were already two full seasons). Obviously we have different priorities in fiction. However, I do have to get serious and strongly object to TenCentFang posted:But I'm seven different varieties of queer myself, so I feel entitled to not like the execution of gay elements Well of course you're entitled to dislike anything you please, regardless of your personal background. But the idea that you couldn't have said anything homophobic just because of your sexuality isn't valid. Internalized prejudice is a real thing that happens all the time. Specifically, I have to push back on TenCentFang posted:On a note I'm not sure is related or not, his voice actor makes my skin crawl because he's got the whole "precious cinnamon roll lil teddy bear" vibe that my eyes roll out of their sockets. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't know that that is Dylan Marron's real voice, as evidenced by his youtube videos and his personal podcast. Criticizing gay men for having girly voices is a common homophobic attack, as I'm sure you well know. In fact, he explicitly described being bullied as a child for being gay and having a high-pitched voice, two things that are clearly link in popular imagination. So, regardless of your intent, you are literally reciting homophobic attacks against a gay man. Like I said, I can't imagine that was intentional, but it's still pretty drat offensive.
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TenCentFang posted:^precisely All I'm hearing is "they're not catering to me personally, so therefore it sucks." I'm far older than a teenager and I've enjoyed the entire series. You don't have to like it, but obviously a lot of people do. Moreover, the creators are clearly having a good time making it. The current seasons aren't to your taste, fine, but that doesn't make them worse, nor does it mean they're being dictated to by the fanbase. Sinteres posted:Disliking the podcast is extremely problematic. You know I didn't say that, right?
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Sep 14, 2017 01:39
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Sinteres posted:Like Len said, the implication (at least) is there every time this subject comes up, and I was responding more to that in general than anything you said specifically, which is why I didn't quote you. I did think bringing out the big gun of saying someone was expressing internalized bigotry because they disagreed with you was a bit much though. It was hard to get past the fact that just a couple weeks ago I heard Dylan Marron talk about how he was bullied about his voice, and then I come here and see someone making fun of his voice. I didn't say "you are clearly expressing internalized bigotry," I said "you're saying something that can easily be read as bigoted, and 'it's okay if I do it because I'm queer' doesn't make any sense." But you can't just point out that someone said something offensive and ask them to stop, because then you have to go through this whole complicated dance of "I'm sure they didn't mean it." A well-meaning person can say something offensive. Len posted:Has anyone noticed how anytime someone brings up "I liked Nightvale before it became a romcom" it always ends up an argument? Typically someone gets called homophobic and then we all just drop it and move on until the next time it comes up. Of course you can (although I do think calling it a romcom is oversimplifying- plenty of episodes don't have romance). But a lot of the time when people complain about the fanbase (usually with a gratuitous complaint about Tumblr attached) they are talking about all the gay stuff making them uncomfortable. I wasn't accusing Ten Cent Fang personally, just saying that it's an easy assumption to make if someone doesn't say why they dislike it. At base, I think change and growth is important in any long-running series. Stagnation is creative death. The worst shows are those that keep doing th same thing for years- look at Black Tapes's increasingly stale mystery narrative. When a show tries something different, you can stick with it or abandon it, but it seems silly to complain that they aren't continuing to do the same thing over and over just because you liked it better.
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Read the context of the first statement: I said I wasn't accusing them of hating the show because it was gay. I was pointing out the fact that he was saying about Dylan Marron the exact same thing homophobic bullies had previously said to him. I wasn't accusing anyone of hateful motives or bigotry, I was saying that they said something easily interpreted as homophobic. This is a simple but important point: good people can do bad things. If I said "man, that black guy looks like such a thug," I should rightfully be called out for saying something racist, whether I meant it that way or not. Just a few days ago I had to tell someone that "gypped" is a racial slur, and he accepted it and presumably will not say it again. When someone commits a microagression of some sort, it's important to call it out. Responding with "but I didn't mean it!" is not how you're supposed to respond. Here's how the conversation went, as far as I can tell. If any of this seems off or unfair, please tell me: TCF: I hate Night Vale since they started pandering to their audience. Jurgan: I really don't like when people accuse people of "pandering" just because the style changes. TCF: Fine, maybe it's not "pandering," but they're still acting just like their fanbase. Jurgan: I'm not sure what that means, but a lot of times when people say that they're being homophobic. TCF: I'm not homophobic, I'm queer myself! Also, I really hate that one gay character has a cutesy voice. Jurgan: Making fun of gay people for having high-pitched voices is a common anti-gay slur, so you really shouldn't say that. Being queer doesn't give you a free pass. I don't want this to turn into a huge fight, so I'm just laying out my perspective. It's an honest question: what part of that do you object to? I'm open to listening. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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TenCentFang posted:I never actually said it wasn't pandering. Like, I didn't backpedal on that. Clarifying this is all I feel like contributing further, I stand by what I said in previous posts and there's not much to add. Hey, what's the difference between pandering and delivering a satisfying experience for your fans? Answer: It's pandering when the people they're delivering to aren't me. Anyway, moving on. Slamhound posted:The particular Night Vale criticism here seems to start at exactly the point where Night Vale started introducing voices other than Cecil. That was a huge narrative development, and one that pretty much every longford show hits. That's usually where an audience splits; either because the show hits a sophomore slump, or the fans weren't getting what they tuned in for; in this case more of a romcom when they were looking for cosmic banality. Did anyone turn off to Magnus Archives when they started having other members of the Institute have voices and weaving things into a meta-plot? I could easily see someone saying "I don't care about Jane Prentiss's worms or Leitner's library, I just want creepy one-shot stories. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Len posted:We get, it's not okay to dislike Nightvale because of the tonal shift as the series went. I'm sorry that my opinion was objectively wrong I'll start liking it again immediately. Piss off, no one ever said that. If you pay attention to the actual conversation and not the strawman version you made in your head, you'll see I said over and over that I don't care if you dislike the show. What I object to is this obnoxious self-congratulating "hispster" attitude. "I liked the first season, but then they started pandering to me dumber than me who only like romance. Now it sucks and anyone who still likes it is a simpleton." If you dislike the tonal shift, who gives a poo poo? It's an opinion. But what I'm reading from you and TCF is that the creators are pandering sell-outs who don't care about telling good stories anymore because you personally don't like them. That's really insulting to the creators, and it's also insulting to current fans by implying they only care about 'shipping and fanservice rather than good stories. Like what you like, but allow that other people will like things you don't and that doesn't mean you have superior taste. Arcsech posted:The thing with Magnus is that most of the episodes still work as creepy one-shots. It adds something to pay attention to the meta-plot, and there's a few episodes where that's especially true (like the season finales), but it never suddenly jumps to being a feel-good comedy or a romance drama or whatever. Every episode has weird creepy supernatural poo poo happening as the main thrust of the episode, and the meta-plot is also weird creepy supernatural poo poo. Incidentally, rereading the question that prompted this, I see how my words could be read as a sarcastic challenge. If so, that wasn't intentional. I was genuinely curious if there were "first season only" fans of MA. I apologize, though; I should have been more careful how I worded it. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 01:13
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Len posted:How so? The lady cop who was feeding him tapes while he was a murder suspect? I have a lot to look forward to as I catch up.
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Sep 15, 2017 01:32
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TenCentFang posted:Personally, I've always been the type that prefers Monster of the Week to metaplot episodes in regards to things like The X-Files(and with The X-Files specifically I think it's a generally agreed upon opinion that the MotW episodes are tighter). That said, I think if TMA can keep the quality at least where it is, it shouldn't be a big problem. I think the biggest problem with the "serialized but episodic" stories is when the creators don't know where the meta-plot is going. Shows like The X-Files and Lost (and, relevant to this thread, The Black Tapes and Tanis) are infamous for wandering through storylines that don't go anywhere and have lots of questions but no answers. Contrast that with the first five seasons of Supernatural. They aren't perfect by any means, but the story arc clearly builds on itself and every element serves a purpose in leading to the ultimate confrontation.
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Len posted:The only people outside of SA I've ever met who know of Nightvale are this exactly. Granted it's not a large pool but my anecdotal evidence tells me that's exactly what the fans want. "Fans of a show are people who like what happens in the show" is pretty much a tautology. People get most excited about stuff like shipping, I suppose, because it's the payoff to a long build-up. But the payoff wouldn't be satisfying if the build-up were slapdash. I don't know if other people do this, but I'll sometimes go back and read just my favorite chapters of books I like and relive the high points. If the rest of the book up to that had been bad, though, then the payoff wouldn't have had any impact and I wouldn't remember it so clearly. That's just a roundabout way of saying that fans may mostly talk about the romantic stuff, but I'm pretty sure they're fans of the whole show. Also, on the Night Vale FB group I follow, it's mostly people posting random weird images and text posts that seem like they fit into the creepy Night Vale vibe. Len posted:Also you should probably step back and read your posts because you're coming off as incredibly hostile and from my time reading the old Nightvale thread I'm fairly certain Maxnmona would just go "okay and you don't like thing that's fine" and keep on trucking. Thing is, he's been asked this exact question before and responded thusly: Maxnmona aka Joseph Fink posted:Your opinion is totally valid, and you don't have to like our show, but changes in the show have happened because it's what we were interested in writing and it was the stories that seemed interesting to tell. We have no target demographic, and we never write to fan feedback. I very rarely think it's fair to accuse a creator of "pandering" or "selling out." You're essentially saying that they have no integrity and are just whoring themselves out to make a buck. Based on the above quote, I'm pretty sure if you did level that accusation at Fink he'd very politely tell you to go gently caress yourself. Len posted:So maybe don't take things so personally? I mean, maybe? Go back fifteen years and I'd start screaming at people for having differing opinions of TV shows. I try not to do that anymore, but it does feel like you're saying that anyone who likes the current stories are shallow or easily amused. I don't mind people having different opinions, but I do mind when people insult others for their opinions. I'd like people to be able to discuss shows here and talk about why they like and don't like things without feeling like they're being made fun of. And that's the other thing, which is probably just me being silly: I started this thread, so I feel a certain responsibility for what happens in it. Maybe that's wrong, since I'm not a mod and can't give bans or probations. I've never started a theme thread intended to run long-term, so I'm not really sure how much to do to keep it running smoothly. Still, when I see something that I think could potentially cause problems, I feel compelled to step in. Could be I'm a bit overzealous about that and am causing a problem that didn't have to start, but that's how it is.
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Sep 15, 2017 04:00
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Chairman Capone posted:Well, I guess just writing incredibly hostile posts at people who have different opinions of podcasts is an improvement.... I don't know how many different ways I can say the exact same thing before it sinks in. I don't care if people dislike a podcast.. I care if they express that dislike in a way that is rude and condescending to people who do like it. Edit: I just noticed that's the third post in a row where you misinterpret what I'm saying. Am I being trolled? Jurgan fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 04:53
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Len posted:Dude step back and calm down. That quote you posted literally is them saying "That's nice you don't like thing." Did you read the second part of the quote where he said "we never write to fan feedback?" So saying that they only write based on what fans will like is calling him a liar. This whole thing started when someone said "they started pandering to their audience," which strikes me as unfair. Len posted:Also point out at what point I said people who like Nightvale are shallow because at no point did I say that Len posted:The only people outside of SA I've ever met who know of Nightvale are this exactly. Granted it's not a large pool but my anecdotal evidence tells me ['shipping and fanservice rather than good stories] are exactly what the fans want. Sinteres posted:If you're getting trolled, it's only because you're continuing to take someone's opinion too personally, regardless of whether it's because someone doesn't like the podcast or someone thinks fans of the podcast have worse taste than them for continuing to like it. Someone disliking either a series you like or a fandom you're a part of isn't a personal attack on you. I'm tired of this. I didn't intend a giant argument. But I don't think people should insult other people based on their opinions of what shows they like. I'm looking at the rules for RGD and they say you shouldn't be a dick to other posters or "Post in threads for the sole purpose of being a dick to everyone that likes a particular show." Okay, as far as I can tell no one was posting for the sole purpose of being a dick to fans of other shows, but saying "you have bad taste if you like this show" is pushing right up to the line. Since I'm not a mod I don't get to make that call, but what does it accomplish? Why would you want to insult people just for having different opinions? Quite simply, while it's fun to talk about what you like and dislike about shows, I think it's rude and inappropriate to insult people for their opinions on entertainment. Believe it or not, I'm not taking most of this personally. Stepping back, I can see how it looks that way. I'm pretty sure someone just said "oh crap, he's still posting about this?" I was trying to push back when I thought someone was being inappropriately hostile, but unfortunately I seem to be having the opposite effect and we're going in circles. Fine, this will be my last post on the subject, as it's stressing me the gently caress out (not the "you like a bad show" part but the "you rear end in a top hat, you're pissing people off" part) and probably other people too. So, how 'bout that new Black Tapes? As far as I can tell, the history of the Pythagorean cult is legit and was kind of fun to hear about, but I still can't keep track of who all these characters are.
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I want to apologize for getting out-of-hand a few days back, especially to Ten Cent Fang. I remember in the last version of this thread it somehow came up that there are a lot of LGBT characters in podcasts and a pretty heated argument came up about whether that was "pandering." So I think I overreacted when I thought we were going there again and tried to nip it in the bud. Ironically I started the argument I was trying to avoid, and in the process acted like a jerk without realizing it. It's very Oedipal (the "self-fulfilling prophecy" part, not the "boning your mom" part). Anyway, sorry about that. I'll try not to let it happen again.vortmax posted:I'll put it this way: Huh, that actually sounds good. I thought Tanis was going to be a one-season spinoff of Black Tapes, but I dropped it when I realized it wasn't going anywhere. My biggest problem with both that and Black Tapes is that there are too many characters to keep track of. I can't follow the conspiracy because I can't remember who all the players are. It's a learning experience, though, in that I've gotten feedback on my unpublished novel that I have way too many characters to keep track of. So it helps me get in the reader's head and figure out ways to streamline things.
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Sep 17, 2017 01:58
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TenCentFang posted:You're five ahead of me and I now feel the need to race you to the end. Curse my competitive streak. Good to know. I've been listening to a lot of politics podcasts lately (everything from Crooked Media is good), which means I haven't had time to listen to much fiction. I'm still crawling through season 2 of Magnus. Actually, I think I have a problem with anything that's just one person talking to the microphone. The writing is very good, but my mind tends to wander and lose focus. My favorite podcasts tend to be ones with a cast of actors performing off each other.
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Sep 17, 2017 04:23
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New Leaf posted:I assume so.. There hasn't been an episode in a couple weeks, but I don't remember some big season finale. No, they're just in the middle of an unusually long dramatic pause.
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Sep 17, 2017 22:39
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Farg posted:Dramatic pause? You've never heard of the dramatic pause? It's something that happens on podcasts- that's like radio for the internet. I'll mail you an explanation using stamps.com
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Sep 17, 2017 23:43
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Chairman Capone posted:I just got done bringing through all of Crimetown and while I loved the podcast, it had maybe the most miserable advertisements. Particularly because they reused the same recordings for the same products for every episode (and for a podcast where most episodes were ~30 minutes, I think six minutes or so were ads). The one advertising the group discussion of podcast hosts from that network as the narrator breathlessly describes it as an "extraordinary conversation" particularly grated. See, I don't mind much if the ads are dry copy being read the same way each time. That's no different than television or radio. What annoys me is when they try to work the ads into the universe of the podcast. PNWS is the worst offender, always talking about how useful Bombas Socks are when you're trying to unravel a global conspiracy. I get that it's supposed to make the world feel more real, but it has the opposite effect for me. Having these characters stop everything to do a promo just makes it seem like the threat is far less serious than they're making it out to be. A similar note is how many of them are so devoted to the "found footage" concept that they go out of their way to give an in-universe explanation for how the recording was made. Bright Sessions does this a lot- "Wait, why are you recording this?" "Oh, well, I was just thinking..." - and it's one of the very few things I dislike about that show. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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doctorfrog posted:then there's the sound of the play button being pushed, which I guess means that I'm listening to these tapes or something, but why don't i also hear myself putting the cassette in the deck and pushing it closed? or did sims splice in the sound of the play button being pressed in editing the tapes??? Or are each of these recordings only 13 minutes long and then he records a 30-second supplemental on a whole other tape, I mean that's just so wasteful. But if it's on one tape, why is the play button being pushed again? At the end of each story, am I, the listener, pressing Stop, then immediately Play again so I can hear the supplemental? I would assume that the supplementals have to be on separate tapes. The season two plot line (as of three or four episodes in) is that Jonathan is investigating a murder, and his prime suspects are his coworkers. So I would assume he wouldn't make recordings about his suspicions where his coworkers would be able to listen to them. Arrhythmia posted:I'm not even listening to these on a tape recorder, I'm playing them on my cellphone? No, you can't do that, the stories are so disturbing that they can't be recorded digitally. I kind of hated that plot twist- it seems so silly.
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Sep 19, 2017 23:01
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Turtlicious posted:I don't think something mentioned in the first couple of episodes is a plot twist. 'Kay, I forgot that line. It wasn't until the end of the first season, though, that they explicitly stated the reason was that talking about supernatural events somehow distorts digital records. It could have just been that his computer was messed up. And why does it not affect magnetic tape? They're going for a sort of Lovecraftian idea of things being so outside human experience that they damage your sanity, but I'm not sure why that should apply to a string of ones and zeros. New Leaf posted:Magnus is the one nice thing that we have that practically all of us can agree on. Don't start poking holes in it now! Nah, this is a discussion thread. We can find holes and still enjoy it.
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Len posted:You said you hadn't caught up yet right? At the end of s2 you find out that the books are indeed some Lovecraftian things from beyond that just kind of are and we're not created. Leightner (spelling) only found and collected them to try and keep the world safe. Okay, I won't read that text and reserve judgment.
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TenCentFang posted:I'm burning out on it and what yall are talking about now sounds dire. Is it possible that you just don't have the patience for serial fiction? I don't mean that as an insult, honestly. There are people (my wife is one) who just naturally get tired of series after a while. It could be that you just aren't inclined to enjoying long series. I could be wrong about that, of course, but if not I might recommend Secrets, Crimes, and Audiotape. It's an anthology series, so if one of the stories isn't doing it for you, then you can just skip to the next. The three-parter "Severed Threads" is probably my favorite, but there's a lot of good episodes. At least in terms of production quality it's one of the best out there.
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Sidestep posted:Normally the recommend function in my podcast app is garbage, but it turned up something pretty interesting this morning. I listened to all ten episodes of this (about 2-3 hours) a week ago, and I enjoyed it. I won't say it's my favorite ever. There's a good bit of expository dialogue and the big twist is kind of trite. Still, it's a creepy story that has a good atmosphere and I like the reveal of what's really going on. Basically it's a doomsday cult based around technology. Also the main villain has a beyond creepy voice, kind of like Vandal Savage from Young Justice. I'd probably give it a 3.5/5.
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Chairman Capone posted:Just Tribulation, and I definitely recommend it. Very creepy at parts, and good speculative concepts at other parts. It almost reminds me of some of the things Zack Parsons writes. Though I did have one thing I'm not quite sure of - in the "1999" episode, was it supposed to be implied that the Tribulation cult caused 9/11? I don't remember what line you're talking about, but I really doubt your spoiler text is what was intended. I thought maybe the Y2K scare was part of their plan, but I can't remember if there was anything to back that up or if it was just a guess I had.
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HIJK posted:Tribulation is rough, these 2 characters are really hysterical for listening to some creepy poo poo on the radio. Wish I could just listen to the crazy cult instead of having to listen to them. The first episode reminds me a lot of the first Paranormal Activity. People gave the main guy grief for being kind of a douche, but he was very believable. It’s common for men to think taking care of problems is their responsibility and they override their partner’s objections. “You must be telling me this problem so I can fix it.” So the first episode featured annoying character dynamics, but in a way that felt real.
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