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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Hey, I'm a tactical mastermind. Never personally suffered a defeat. This will be sure to end the same way.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Hey, I'm a tactical mastermind. Never personally suffered a defeat. This will be sure to end the same way. Ramming speed!
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Jul 10, 2017 04:43
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 The team threads are up! The game is on! Team white has 24 hours to make their move. This is the thread of team white The players on team white are: Added Space blizzardvizard bman in 2288 Cloud Potato Dr. Fetus Faerie Fortune Fat Samurai Garbonix Gridlocked habituallyred jon joe Junpei Hyde Maigius oath2order Oblivion4568238 StoryTime Twib This is the thread of team black The players on team black are: Dr. Snark Talow chitoryu12 Davin Valkri Crosspeice UnderFreddy CirclMastr BioEnchanted HerpicleOmnicron5 Suspect Bucket idhrendur Snorb Glaive17 AJ_Impy Paul.Power oldskool Nice piece of fish The rules of the game: The teams will choose their move based on a simple vote - Note that this means that explaining to your team mates why your suggested move is the best is just as important as coming up with it in the first place! Teams will have 24 hours to decide on their move, though I will call the vote early if one move gains a clear majority. I'd much prefer if you refer to your moves using standard chess notation as much as possible to make things easier on me! I'd also prefer if as much team communication as possible is kept in the threads, both for the benefit of the observer thread and to make it easier for new players to follow the lines of thinking without having to use external sites. Players aren't allowed to read the observer thread or the opposing team's thread, observers aren't allowed to post in the team threads. No use of chess engines to find moves is allowed. However: Linking to Wikipedia or other sources of information when referring to openings or chess concepts is not only allowed, but actively encouraged! Absolutely no super villainy allowed. Both teams, best of luck! Players are not allowed to read past this point!
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Jul 10, 2017 19:40
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1. White to move. 
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Jul 10, 2017 19:41
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This is the peanut gallery thread, right? I'm loving White's suggestion to post a lot in order to make it look like they're discussing complex srategy. Leave it to goons to weave webs most tangled.
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Jul 10, 2017 20:49
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I too look forward to see how LP goons will attempt to play mind games in a game with perfect information, and also how they will manage to screw themselves over by overthinking in a game famously known for requiring the ability to think several moves ahead 
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Jul 10, 2017 21:08
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I can't wait for this to devolve into both teams using only pawns in order to psych out the other team
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Jul 10, 2017 21:14
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Pyroi posted:I can't wait for this to devolve into both teams using only pawns in order to psych out the other team White's gonna rush the board with a wall of pawns and get them all promoted somehow. War of the Nine Queens, baby! 
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Jul 10, 2017 21:22
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And then accidentally draw by stalemating.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:24
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I wonder which side will try castling, if at all.
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Jul 11, 2017 03:01
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Personally I've always found the GameFAQs guide to chess helpful.
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Jul 11, 2017 03:33
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Please encourage the teams to adopt the most ridiculously named gambits as their main strategy. Reference: 
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Jul 11, 2017 04:05
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It might be late for me to sign up to play, but I will endeavor to enjoy this LP regardless! Trying to set myself up as an information broker for both teams by reading both of their team threads so I can leak relevant information to the opposing side (i.e possible checkmates, promotions, etc) and therefore keeping the game running ad infinitum is allowed, right?
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Jul 11, 2017 05:52
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Of course not. (Because chess has a definite end state, when played by typical rules). Speaking of which, are draws going to be allowed in this match? I imagine it'll be tough to get a whole team to offer one, but it'd be fun to see it happen if it calls for it. Be fun to see it happen when it's mate in 5 too.
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Jul 11, 2017 06:06
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Jaguars! posted:Please encourage the teams to adopt the most ridiculously named gambits as their main strategy.
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Jul 11, 2017 06:12
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HereticMIND posted:Trying to set myself up as an information broker for both teams by reading both of their team threads so I can leak relevant information to the opposing side (i.e possible checkmates, promotions, etc) and therefore keeping the game running ad infinitum is allowed, right? Covski posted:Players aren't allowed to read the observer thread or the opposing team's thread, observers aren't allowed to post in the team threads. dancingbears fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 06:19
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SelenicMartian posted:Slav Defence sounds exciting. Is this when you set fire you your half of the board? e: VVV Waiting should only be a temporary issue until the game really gets going. e2: Might be just me having listened to a tad too many bad jokes, but using something called "the French defense" sounds like a recipe for disaster. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 07:23
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Black is complaining about waiting. I guess that's a fair point, and I'm wondering if that could be mitigated, for instance by giving the team that's not moving something to do. Perhaps that isn't necessary because once the game starts going you can discuss actual strategy before the other side moved, but still. First thought was set up a second game with the colors switched. But keeping the state of two boards in mind can get really complicated. And an equal end score is much more likely. Plus, if they don't start in the same turn, the second team to start as white could just copy the first team's moves to troll the hell out of the game. What else... Perhaps give the team that isn't moving some chess puzzles to think about, where the people who ranked themselves the lowest get the first go?
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Jul 11, 2017 07:23
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Aaaand we're off. Looks like White is opening with the Spanish Defence, or some quasimodian imitation of it, but it looks like Black was banking on them opening with it, and have spent considerable time formulating a counter strategy while White rushed to consensus. Let's see how they respond now that their suspicions have panned out.
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Jul 11, 2017 10:40
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Black's issue with waiting wouldn't be as bad if they weren't thinking themselves in circles from the word go, trying to predict and counter predict every possible gambit, instead of letting the first move happen then plan from there. Now that it's actually their move, the need to wait will be gone, because they'll have tangible information to work with whether it's their turn or not.
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Jul 11, 2017 10:43
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 1.e4 So we are, probably unsurprisingly, opening up with King's Pawn Game. While not the most unexpected move we could have hoped for, 1.e4 is the most common opening for a reason: A pawn right in the all important centre of the board, open lines for the queen and bishop and endless opportunities to respond to the opponent's moves. Personally, I very rarely open with anything different than 1.e4 when playing as white. The vote was basically a landslide, with only a few straggler votes for 1.d4 and 1.Nc3. It is interesting that the horse-friends advocated the more passive Nc3 (Dunst opening over the more popular 1.Nf3. (Réti opening) In other news, I'm super happy a5 was advocated in the black thread (albeit semi-seriously). I have a soft spot for this opening, since it was the opening I played in my very first chess game ever, learning the game from my father  (as well as being a remarkably useless opening move).
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Jul 11, 2017 10:52
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That scandinavian defense thingamajig Black is arguing about sounds properly vikingish - risky, bloodthirsty and probably insane. What's the chances of White recognizing it for what it is? I don't really see into chess well enough to weigh the pros and cons of that move, but it seems like a lot of risk to have the queen out in the open and under attack 24/7.
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Jul 11, 2017 14:05
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:(we've won already) I'm sure White's opening move wouldn't be so ubiquitous if a counter to it was so guaranteed.
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Jul 11, 2017 14:45
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I'm not overly familiar with the Scandinavian defense (and book openings in general are my weakest area of chess knowledge), but really any even half-decent player would be cautious enough about a queen out in the open and would see the opportunity to develop with tempo by chasing the queen away. White pawn takes, black queen takes, white knight to c3 is the most common response, after which black usually retreats the queen to a square where it can't be threatened, such as a5, d6, or even back to it's starting position on d8. As a side note, the Wikipedia page mentions Herp's favoured idea of checking with the queen on e5 (apparently called the Patzer variation) as a bad move for black - and any idea that it would even remotely be a quick game winner against semi-competent player is pure wishful thinking Either way, the opening is likely to lead to an open game with two central pawns exchanged early on, and decent conditions for quick development. It's a less passive move than 1.e4 e5, but it's not meant to be a hyper-aggressive opening either. Of course, this all assumes that white chooses to capture the offered pawn on d5 in the first place, so we are getting way ahead of things again (much like the black team!)
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Jul 11, 2017 14:47
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I don't know much about Chess, but bringing out your queen on your second turn feels more like it'd be a liability than an advantage. You gain an immediate advantage in board control, but now you're forced to defend your queen for the rest of the game which can slow further development.
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Jul 11, 2017 16:01
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 1.e4 d5 Scandinavian defense it is! White has a two main options here: Either they take they pawn, or they avoid taking on d5, usually with a move like Nc3. (this is generally considered inferior, however) It's going to be interesting to see how they react to this less common respons from black!
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Jul 11, 2017 17:33
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I'm not sure calling the votes this early is a good idea. What if people live in different time zones and some then miss the chance to participate in voting?
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Jul 11, 2017 17:36
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I'm only calling the votes if one option has the support of a majority of the total players on the team - it seems to me that another option making a comeback at that point is very unlikely. It's all in the interest of keeping the game moving forward, and it will probably be unlikely to happen when the votes get more divisive. Of course, if the players express concern about this I will absolutely reconsider the policy 
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Jul 11, 2017 17:42
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The Scandinavian    .... gross.John Bartholomew would be proud of you team black.
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Jul 11, 2017 19:20
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What the gently caress is going on in the black thread? 
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Jul 11, 2017 19:28
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This is going to end even more horribly than the RPS match did. I love it.
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Jul 11, 2017 19:32
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Fat Samurai seems to have things figured out in the white thread:Fat Samurai posted:If Goon vs Goon threads have taught me anything is this: blame Herp. For everything. It's also interesting to note that 2.exd5 is considered the optimal response to the Scandinavian defense in high level chess strategy, despite what both teams currently seem to think. Whether this holds true with amateur players is an open question.
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Jul 11, 2017 19:44
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EagerSleeper posted:What the gently caress is going on in the black thread?
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Jul 11, 2017 19:46
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At least supervillainy is explicitly forbidden this time around!
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Jul 11, 2017 19:54
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anilEhilated posted:Herp is generally very... Mutiny-able? Paging Davin Valkri, paging Davin Valkri. Oh god the poor sod is with Herp again? But yeah, let me tell you of that goon vs goon LP circa 2014 IIRC where we on the nazi side managed to perfectly roleplay German high command.
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Jul 11, 2017 20:25
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I think the Invader Zim analogy is apt w/r/t Herp. Either Black is going to throw him under the bus before the end of the game, or he is going to throw Black itself under the bus in a fit of villainous lunacy. I'm about 50/50 on how this is going to shake out. White, by comparison is turning out to be a much more stable team.
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Jul 11, 2017 20:29
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Omobono posted:But yeah, let me tell you of that goon vs goon LP circa 2014 IIRC where we on the nazi side managed to perfectly roleplay German high command. I'm thinking the difference is in the ways people present their opinions. White seems to have much more civil and low-key communication without anyone defending their positions strongly yet. Then again, there weren't that many hard decisions yet, there's still plenty of potential for drama.
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Jul 11, 2017 20:46
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Wish I had caught this earlier to join in, but participating and reading both threads is fun. As a chess novice who hasn't played regularly for about 20 years now - high school chess club - why is Nc3 considered an inferior option to taking the pawn? Just from a standpoint of how the board feels, I like having two pieces out and active is more preferable to moving my pawn twice, even if I capture his. Not to mention the knight covers both his own pawn, as well as threatens blacks pawn. I wish black had done something more interesting than responding with the pawn move. My main strategy when I played for the first 5 turns or so was to get my king in castling position as soon as possible, while pulling my knight and bishop out to do area control around the center.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:13
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Lucas Archer posted:why is Nc3 considered an inferior option to taking the pawn? 2. Nc3 is a bad idea because it invites black to push their pawn on d5 with 2. ... d4, which threatens the knight on c3 and basically forces it to move again (likely 3. Ne2). The wasted tempo will leave black free to support their advanced d4 pawn with 3 ... e5. After 3 moves black will have two strong central pawns, and a space advantage with their d4 pawn eating into white's territory. White will have an awkwardly placed knight, not much initiative, and will likely have forfeited their initial advantage.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:27
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 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 White continues with the standard line. Black basically has two options as this point, if they're going with the commonly accepted moves: Either they take with their queen, or develop the knight to f6 (this would be the "Marshall gambit"), aiming to recapture later without exposing their queen. Who knows if black will play by the book at this point though? It seems quite possible that this vote might be less unanimous than those we've seen so far! Covski fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 22:43
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