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e4 is a fine opening move. Let's be cool see what Black's response is and then decide what opening move to continue with from there. If we play the way the book tells us we surely can't lose!
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Let's do this. The best thing about chess is that because it is: a) Very Popular and b) Always played on the same set board, with the same set rules and movement choices there are only so many permutations of plays available; because we started with +1 Tempo thanks to being White technically we can just follow the permutations of the board down the line selecting the highest probability to win move early on and getting more into the discussion once we start seeing how Black Team reacts. So Pxe5 seems fine. Ignore this I am apparently late to the party on this one. Edit: Oh well the move I would have voted for stands. Yay. I recommend taking a gander at the wiki page on the Scandinavian Defense, the two most popular 3.'s are listed there (Qxd5 or Nf6) Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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Jul 12, 2017 09:49
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d4 is the way I wanted to go and jon joe is doing all the  posting meaning he's agreeing with me.Putting our faith in board states, position and probability will see us amateurs through this chaos. Or at least let us learn better play than just voting for random BS like those evil Blackians will end up doing.
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Jul 13, 2017 08:45
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They're trying to throw us of balance with aggression. I'm currently looking at f3 as per this: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1766047 Bb5+ does seem really strong w/r/t taking that bishop though which may force them into a more conservative stance. I'm trying to find (recorded) lines of play that go in the Bb5+ direction but I can't see jack. Yeah in review I'm LOVING Bb5+ if they think we are off balance, counter with aggression Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Jul 14, 2017 08:09
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Dammit the website I was using has a paywall 
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Jul 14, 2017 14:07
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jon joe posted:I'll be the first to admit I'm at fault for the current state of affairs; the way I've worded my suggestions has probably shut down discussion immensely compared to if I wasn't in the game at all. That's totally my fault, but I don't want that to actually be the case. Let alone that we probably wouldn't win if we just listened to me all the time, I think it makes the game less fun and less of a learning experience for you all. I'll need to remember my audience going forward and phrase things less absolutely; I feel like this is also somewhat the problem with the game of choice, as chess really does have best moves, with extremely detailed writings on openings (which, we're still in the opening). However, even with all my references, I will likely not know a lot pretty soon here. Keep doing what you're doing. I'm reading and looking for the exact same sources as you; you just seem to be finding them more often and doing more posting (which I appreciate as it makes it easier to find info)
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Jul 15, 2017 02:05
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I'm leaning on Nf3 as that gets our knight into play and if they REALLY want to trade a Knight for a Bishop they can. Other options: f3 - just sticks a pawn in the way, will likely cause them to retreat their Bishop but frankly I'm not sure to what end. Willing to listen to arguments either way for f3 or Nf3 but as I said, leaning on Nf3 purely for development reasons.
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Jul 16, 2017 13:12
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What are their moves off Nf3 VS f3 then?
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Jul 16, 2017 13:56
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Thanks for the post Samurai, will have to read it after work. Edit: Actually what about Ne2? Our kings-knight can move there as well as f3. It blocks the same as Nf3 and gives us a Knight covering the pawn in the center similar to the scenario you've posed Samurai regarding f3 but with the added layer of protection. Ne2 -> they can't move their knight on c6 because of the pin; they do SOMETHING maybe retreat the bishop but if they don't we can f3 (or h3 but I still hate h3 because it removes cover from that castle) to threaten it forcing them to react MINUS the issues you've discussed regarding our d4 pawn because it's now protected by out knight Thoughts? Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Jul 16, 2017 15:06
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jon joe posted:I believe Knight to f3 to be a better position for our knight. There's no particular reason we want to move up our f pawn; this is actually a weaker position for our king-side pawn structure than h3 (h3 being the preferred move, in fact, to kick off the bishop eventually) We're past the threshold at this point so I may as well seal the deal with Nf3 Though I still wonder about the Ne2 into f3 line for removing the bishop and protecting our center pawn.
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Jul 17, 2017 08:12
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Fat Samurai posted:You do get bragging rights if Nf3 ends up being a mistake, so that is a plus. Yeee
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Jul 17, 2017 08:36
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Just home from football so brain kinda dead atm; I don't have any sims of this current scenario (drat you paywall  )Observations though for the smarter guys to work out: 1) They can't Nxd4 because of the pin into check. 2) They COULD retreat the Bishop from g4 as jon joe suggested, which is good because he appears to have a plan for that. However presently the Bishop isn't actually threatened. 3) They COULD simply Qxd4 where in we can consider trading our Queen and a Pawn for their Queen and either a Bishop or a Knight. I know most people shy away from trading queens early but points wise we DO come out ahead in that trade and we're even on loss of Q power. 3.1) Edit: Actually they can't capture with the knight if we do this.... 6.Nf3 Qxd4 7.Qxd4  4) They could do something weird like Qa5 and check our king but I'm 99% we can castle out of that to give our Rook some field time and also offer the value trade of Rook for Queen. 5) They could also do b6 or something and threaten our Bishop that way but we have a reasonable out to that as well with our unmoved knight. Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 12:35
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jon joe posted:Also, I do believe sims fall under the purview of "chess engines", which are verboten. Whelp RIP looking up example games. Also: Great post jon joe but what if they end up Qxd4 like the over aggressive madmen they are? Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Jul 18, 2017 08:35
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I'm leaning fx3 with the pawn on g2 honestly.
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Jul 18, 2017 12:54
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Fat Samurai posted:That puts our king right on the frontline after a castle, thoguh. That is a VERY valid point. I am primarily concerned about letting their Queen take control of the center but I will happily bow to the wisdom of getting ours into combat.
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Jul 18, 2017 13:33
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jon joe posted:In other news, today we mourn the loss of one's Smerdon's Scandinavian as a tool in our conquering of the chess board. RIP; has no advice for Black making a bad move. Ahahah Ok then lets get this Qxf3 going.
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Jul 19, 2017 07:55
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This is very dependant on blacks move but: From this CURRENT position we can trade the bishop into the knight, lose it to the pawn on b7 and then remove the pawn with the queen to put their king back into check and see if we can keep them on the reactive side?
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Jul 19, 2017 13:51
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Is castling right now a loss of tempo?
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Jul 20, 2017 09:04
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Ok soo the question is does black do the same, if yes we can check with bf4!
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Jul 20, 2017 13:15
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I really don't know from here. what do people think of kc3? Just floating it. Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Jul 21, 2017 12:09
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Jeeze I don't post for a few days and now I'm confused as hell on this board.
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