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Assuming they use a standard opener, we should probably go with a standard defense. But if we'd like to see the world burn, we could open with a5 or h5. Sure it'll take a few moves to get the rook out, and sure it gets all crowded making the rooks not useful until later, but it can really throw other inexperienced players off balance. That said, it's probably even more terrible than I know, and we should stick to pretty standard moves.
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chitoryu12 posted:I'd also request that the more experienced players please describe their moves and strategies in a way that 1's like myself can understand. Thanks for the reminder! I'm being a bit of a tongue-in-cheek advocate of (AFAIK) an oddball strategy. Instead of using our critical opening moves to get a bunch of pieces in play, I'm suggesting we use those turns to move one of the outside pawns up then spending a few more turns to get a rook up and then over. It's not really a viable strategy: rooks are powerful but (in my experience) do poorly when the board is crowded. They're more useful later in the game as the board opens up. But an oddball opening might really throw the other team off balance and give us some opportunities.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:06
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I'm all for giving our opponents opportunities to make mistakes. D5.
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Jul 11, 2017 16:50
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Alright, reading the discussion has convinced me of Nf6.
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There seems to be agreement about Bg4, and it's pretty well discussed so I think I understand the merits. Most of my questions answered before I had to ask them! So I'll agree with Bg4. In the meanwhile, let's assume they go with f3. Would the better move be Bh5 (keeping the pawn pinned to the queen), or Bf5 (developing the bishop towards the center), or even something else? Bh5 seems the better choice to me, but Bf5 was mentioned, so I'm wondering what I may be missing. Also, the chess games I'm playing with that app are demonstrating that I vastly overestimated my skills by saying I was a 5. idhrendur fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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I'm also going to vote c6, but again, I have questions. Assuming they don't Bxc6 and put us back in check, or finally do something to counter our previous moves, why wouldn't we just take their queen? Sure, we lose a bishop in the doing, but that's a worthwhile trade, no?
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Jul 14, 2017 17:02
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I want their queen, but I agree that it'd be too costly to take it now. Nxc6.
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Jul 16, 2017 00:40
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I'm favoring pawn to A6, but waiting to vote until more opinions have been put out there.
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Alright, I'll vote for Bxf3.
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Jul 18, 2017 03:04
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I'm also convinced. Qd7.
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Jul 19, 2017 17:59
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I agree. 0-0-0.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:49
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Agreed. Qc7.
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Jul 27, 2017 00:04
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E5. Let's go.
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Jul 29, 2017 15:40
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Crosspeice posted:...xc6? And unless I'm seeing things wrong (a strong possibility), that would place our queen in a good position to fork their knight and remaining rook. At which point we own the back row, place them in check, and anything they do to stop us just hands us another piece and puts them back in check. Presumably that means they'd be smart enough to not do that in the first place, but you never know. Also xc6.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:46
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I'll agree with h5.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:58
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Ng4.
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Aug 5, 2017 18:52
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Nxe5.
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Aug 7, 2017 21:28
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Qd7
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Aug 9, 2017 16:20
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Kb7.
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I'm with fish on this one. Rxd7.
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From what I understand, the idea behind Bc5 is to set up Rd8, followed by Rd1, then when they take our rook, Rd1 again for checkmate. They can take pieces in the meanwhile, but they can't checkmate us without taking our rooks first*, and the can really only block that set of moves except by forcing us to trade a rook for their queen (a trade I'd be perfectly willing to make). Of course, if we move Bd6, we block that series of moves ourselves. * I'm asserting this based on a cursory analysis that may be wrong, but from what I see, any of the critical positions they could get their queen into would allow us to capture the queen for the loss of a rook. Edit: He's written something as I was writing. Time to read it and think, so kindly disregard what I've written here for the moment.
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Okay, took a few moments to read and think. I think c5 is a better move that Bd6, but I'm inclined to think Bc5 is better still. (Possibly) sacrifice the bishop for a chance at victory or to set up a queen/rook exchange. But I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:37
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Nice piece of fish posted:What I'm worried about there is that when we go Bc5, they go Qxc5, we stack rooks and they do Qxc6+. Then they chase us around and we didn't block the bishop so we can't do anything about that knight. Sooner or later, it becomes untenable. Right, there's a potential for a bit of a crazy dance there. We'd have to go Kb8, after which I see a few possibilities: Qa8, in which case we'd just take the queen and continue the rook's drive. Qc7, same. Qc8, in which case Rxc8, NxC8, KxC8. Not the best, but they'd be left with few workable pieces and their rook still out of position. Qxd7, in which case we do Rxd7 and traded a bishop, pawn, and rook for their queen. Probably the worst for us. So, it's not really devastating to us in any case. But give me a moment to plot out possible results of c5 for myself, as I just might agree with you that it's still the superior move. Edit: Looked it over. I think it ends up largely the same, but one way or another we get their bishop too. c5. idhrendur fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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DM Zero posted:Bd6 to threaten the Queen. We'd be able to defending the positioned rook with Kc7. Not the best, but it wouldn't do much to us either. I just don't see what Edit: correcting c6 to Bd6 like I meant to type. idhrendur fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Aug 18, 2017 |
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Aug 17, 2017 22:09
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I did a whole bunch of lines to show what we gain from Bd6. It's the better play. I vote Bd6. Sorry, I completely forgot about your previous analysis. I looked past it because white hadn't moved yet, and then once they had I forgot about it! It certainly makes me more confident that Bd6 is workable, but my gut worries we'd end up in the Qc2 scenario which just seems bad for us. I haven't graphed out the possibilities of the queen threatening our king if we Bc5, but when I plotted them out myself it only slowed our attack. I still feel c5 sets us up better, and am gonna stick with that vote, but you've raised my confidence levels if the vote goes your direction. So thank you.
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No time to think at the moment, but mayhaps one of the people I convinced into Bc5 will change their mind. If I get time again this evening I'll ponder some more.
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I'm fine with not just a hail mary, but just going a bit hogwild to wrap things up. Put their king in check. Capture the knight. Then again, if there's plans for another game after this, maybe resigning would be good so that can get rolling. Covski, are you planning on starting another game after this?
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Aug 19, 2017 19:18
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