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"Hey, setting up a thematically relevant and ironic death trap cuts into my whiskey time!"
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Now that I think about it, it's kind of ironic that the guy who spent his entire life on intricate, carefully-timed mechanisms that require lots of planning to work gets killed by some bloke who wants to ice this guy and get back to his bottle of Old Crow.
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Aug 1, 2017 13:01
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It's a shame there isn't more interaction between the guests e.g. having Aurum join Clay for a drink., they're all either individuals or paired off by chapter. The only cross-'case' interaction we've seen (iirc) is Willow talking with Tequilla. I guess it would have been a lot harder to plan out the routes etc. to make that work.
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Aug 1, 2017 13:11
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Jade Star posted:The two dudes get killed on stage cause they're there trying to steal a giant jeweled egg. To this I would add: Grayson's obsession over the egg leads him to walk into what is obviously a trap. Redd throws his life away for Grayson's sake, which adds some extra torture to Grayson's demise. Thanos has absolute faith in his own designs and never stops to wonder if they could be tampered with or turned against him. Aurum doesn't really take Thanos seriously but goes along with him anyway; he lets his friendship and a few strong drinks interfere with his judgement. Reggie is the only one really aware the staff is trying to kill him, and he's running and hiding from them when the game starts. Though one thing I can't quite reconcile is how his killer decides to use the old gun on the spur of the moment, while all the other staff hear the gunshot and are like "that will be Mr. Sixpence dying, right on schedule".
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Aug 1, 2017 17:19
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Things are about to get...weird. The Basement and the Gold Skull/Polsy
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Aug 1, 2017 17:24
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Well then. That explains a lot by saying very litte. I'm afraid any discussion at this point might be considered spoilers, though, so I'll hold off for now for the sake of people who haven't seen the video yet.
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Aug 1, 2017 18:33
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That was decidedly...Non Euclidean?
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Aug 1, 2017 18:37
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 How can it get weirder than the voodoo lantern fish, the slots furnace elevator, the blood lady and the ridiculous egg death trap? I mean, serio- uh...  
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Aug 1, 2017 18:58
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8_Escape posted:That was decidedly...Non Euclidean? I think we're past geometry at this stage.
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Aug 1, 2017 19:19
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Please let the reveal be more clever than "you were the killer all along…" I like that the voodoo fish and giant spiders weren't real. It would be neat if there's a second way to save each of the victims that allows us to save all of them. Not a boring "push this lever to save everybody" way, but an alternative solution we now have access to for everybody, so we can beat the clock.
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Aug 1, 2017 19:38
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if everyone's dead are we actually saving people or helping them move to the after life? that would fit lafcadios role as priest a bit more i think.
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Aug 1, 2017 19:41
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Bruceski posted:But it's from the Caribbean, not Russia. Cuba?
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Aug 1, 2017 19:55
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 Gold Masks name, and Eleanor being the Marquis' fiancee rather than his wife are both things that didn't make it beyond the concept stage, at least GM's name isn't mentioned, I guess it could be Deuteronomy. Eleanor is definitely married though. Neither of them get any other art, so hey, who wants to see some of the hosed up paintings that have been lining the walls of this place? Well tough, here there are anyway.    
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Aug 1, 2017 20:23
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Okay, so it's confirmed that the Bloody Girl is Eleanor, by her own slip of the tongue. If I had to guess, I'd say Deuteronomy Bounde is Lucas, though that almost seems too obvious. ... Wait. Oh jeez, I think I got it, and you're not gonna like it. This is a dream or an allegory or something to the effect. Everyone except Lucas died in the fire, a fire that Lucas feels he is at fault for. Lucas was kept alive by life support, possibly still is, and he's been going over the deaths of his friends again and again. Deuteronomy is his guilt, making him relive these experiences forever until eventually it will kill him. The man in the glass chamber is the 'power source' of this manifestation of the mansion. It's Lucas's mind. The butler-looking gent on the table with the mask forcing him to breathe is a representation of his body being sustained by respirators and the like. Lafcadio, being a priest, is the only person who can truly provide salvation, the only person who can save his soul from what he's done. The Bloody Girl is the worst part of his grief, the fact that he killed his wife and unborn child, but he recognizes on a deep level that Ellie wouldn't want him to keep torturing himself like this. She'd want him to forgive himself, and move on. So she empowers the image of Lafcadio, someone who Lucas loved and admired, someone who represents that forgiveness, to break this cycle and destroy this construct. EDIT: Again, I'm watching this LP otherwise blind, so if this turns out to even be remotely accurate, it was a guess. Lazy Bear fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Aug 1, 2017 20:42
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The Golux posted:Cuba? Good point. A red herring is allowable.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:49
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Huh. Okay, I guessed who the bloody lady and the gold mask were (not that it was terribly hard, mind you), but this was not the direction I was expecting things to go in. Huh.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:51
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So the bloody rain that happens after every murder are the tears of impotent rage and sorrow that came from witnessing them. How metal.
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Aug 1, 2017 21:56
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Well... That was... more then a little mind bending. What the actual gently caress. That Lafcadio was supposed to die in the chapel is... honestly kinda fitting. Far more fitting then Sixpence dying to a gunshot there. Perhaps when Sixpence's niece (The flayed girl I guess...) managed to disengage Lafcadio from the cycle, things changed a bit. Sixpence and Lafcadio died there together, but perhaps with Lafcadio gone, the "Act" was disrupted. It would be a reason for Sixpence's death to be less... Fitting... then the rest of the murders. Zebrin fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Aug 2, 2017 00:54
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Survivor's guilt is a hell of a thing. Speculation below: The player-character burned down the mansion. The explosives in the basement tickled his memory because they're his. I have to wonder, did he intend to kill all of his friends? Or just himself? Or anybody at all? The burning door that can be passed by rewinding time, and the "if only we were here earlier", suggests that the deaths were not intentional. Regardless, his mind is broken, and now he hates himself. "Gold Mask" is the part of him that is torturing himself within this nightmare, imagining his friends dying over and over and over, projecting his hatred of himself onto their innocent images. But "Lafcadio Boone" is the part of him that's trying to come to terms with what happened, and ultimately forgive himself. When he saves his friends from the murder-loops, he remembers their faces and what they were really like, removing the masks his guilt has assigned to them, and he draws strength from the memories. This holds true whether Lucas or Lafcadio is the one who burned down the mansion. Now that I think about it, it is possible that Lucas and Lafcadio are the same person, Laffy Boone having changed his name to Lucas Bonde at some point when he decided to abandon the priesthood in favor of the wealthy life of the "Marquis". The two men are both L.B., and the whole Boone/Bonde/Bounde theme naming thing lends itself to the idea. Also, plot-relevant pun names: Deuteronomy Bounde is binding the arsonist to this nightmare, while Lafcadio Boone offers the boon of salvation, and Eleanor Bonde is the lingering connection, bond, to his friends that certainly still love him even if he's responsible for their deaths. Deuteronomy is the book of the sermons Moses gave to the Israelites before they entered the promised land - a journey Moses could not complete himself, as he died just short. Fitting if this is indeed Lucas/Lafcadio's struggle towards his own salvation - and probably his death. IMJack fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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It's kind of weird that there isn't even a space in the "murder these fools" portrait gallery for Lafcadio, though. Maybe what the blood lady did to break us out was pretty drat complicated, on a metaphysical level? Then again, the staff are more of a metaphysical danger to us than a physical one.
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Aug 2, 2017 03:09
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So all the paintings are twisted versions of famous ones? Anybody with a better art background than me able to confirm that? There are hints in the dialog that none of this is real, so I'm guessing we're in the mind of Lucas, gone mad after everybody else dies. Scruffy, strange as it may sound, I miss your voice. Though this episode, at least, was best presented with little commentary.
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Aug 2, 2017 04:51
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BurningStone posted:There are hints in the dialog that none of this is real the niece literally said everyone was killed in the fire, so uh, its not a hint so much as you know, there, in the text and gold mask says so too, and i don't think both he and the girl would lie about it
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Aug 2, 2017 04:59
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So here's a more relevant question that's been niggling at me for all you theorycrafters: What was Sixpence looking for in that safe and then in the chapel when he was murdered? He wasn't just running away from the staff, he was actively trying to accomplish something. But what that is hasn't actually been clarified at all...
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Aug 2, 2017 16:54
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They said he was close and he was searching in/near the chapel, my guess is that its one of the rings we got this video.
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FoolyCharged posted:They said he was close and he was searching in/near the chapel, my guess is that its one of the rings we got this video. That makes sense.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:16
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Lazy Bear's idea is basically what I thought was going on here, yes. None of this is real, and we're playing as the memory of Lafcadio, aided by the memory of Eleanor, offering a chance for Lucas to finally escape his guilt complex. It's pretty interesting how they set that up - earlier in the game for example, I thought that the ghost of Sixpence might be haunting the dealer he built, given how it was spouting lines at Clay that almost certainly weren't programmed. But in this context, it's probably more that Lucas is projecting some of the builder's personality on his mental construct of the dealer. It doesn't even matter whether or not Sixpence actually built a card-dealing death robot at any point as long as that's a thing Lucas could imagine him doing. It is pretty interesting that there's no portrait of Lafcadio Boone in the gallery, though. Quite possibly that's a good sign - it could well mean that Lucas has moved past tormenting himself over Lafcadio's death regardless of how his guilt (as exemplified by the man in the golden mask) feels about the matter.
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Danakir posted:So here's a more relevant question that's been niggling at me for all you theorycrafters: What was Sixpence looking for in that safe and then in the chapel when he was murdered? He wasn't just running away from the staff, he was actively trying to accomplish something. But what that is hasn't actually been clarified at all... Sixpence is the most aware of what's going on besides the Blood Lady, Skull Mask and Boone "LUCAS! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!" "You don't know what's going to happen!" The Blueprints of the explosives in the basement were familiar but complicated. He's the only one to die before the crash in the garden (which is likely what happened to Lucas). "If only you were here earlier" He was possibly looking for the bomb controls. The deaths might have been unintentional but the fire itself might not have been.
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Arcomage posted:Lazy Bear's idea is basically what I thought was going on here, yes. None of this is real, and we're playing as the memory of Lafcadio, aided by the memory of Eleanor, offering a chance for Lucas to finally escape his guilt complex. My extension of this question is, are we just psychic puppets manifested by a guilt complex, or has some supernatural malefactor (represented by Deuteronomy either as an agent or an avatar) actually kept the souls of the real individuals in some metaphysical purgatory to be murdered on loop for eternity just to torment the Marquis? edit: in each chapter, we go on to saving another person or persons are part of the LP, but can you repeatedly save someone while you're trying to save someone else? If I swap the gun out before Sixpence gets shot, am I locked into his "save" cinematic even if I try to save Tequila from lethal laceration? marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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marshmallow creep posted:My extension of this question is, are we just psychic puppets manifested by a guilt complex, or has some supernatural malefactor (represented by Deuteronomy either as an agent or an avatar) actually kept the souls of the real individuals in some metaphysical purgatory to be murdered on loop for eternity just to torment the Marquis? For the first bit, the tree room argues the latter. For the second, unless there is some editing involved doing the solution immediately fades out to the victory cinematic.
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FoolyCharged posted:For the second, unless there is some editing involved doing the solution immediately fades out to the victory cinematic. Well, poo poo, no early 'save everyone' time shenanigans then.
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Aug 3, 2017 07:33
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I'm starting to think, with both Eleanor's speech about the house being all they need and all of the nostalgic comments about the casino's heydays, that Lucas was about to close shop, and wanted to end it with a litteral bang. Only it killed everybody by accident. I'm somehow kind of hoping this is a legit supernatural thing, and not just his broken psyche sorting itself out while in a coma/asylium (remember how they talk about a cell?), and we can somehow save everyone from the fire. E: Oh, and anyone caught "Boone"'s hair turning black for a second in front of the mirror? And how apparently The Marquis and Tequila practiced music a lot together? 
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Aug 3, 2017 09:46
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Personally, my "oh poo poo this went darker than multiple murder" hope is that maybe Eleanor and the baby didn't die in the fire. If this is all inside Lucas' comatose mind, then there's a shaky argument to be made that the reason the Bloodied Girl changed it up is that Eleanor went to visit him, and his subconscious perceived her as a glimmer of hope. After all, she was staying in the little guest house well away from the mansion, she might have survived, and he might just be assuming he accidentally killed her along with the others. It's a pretty slim hope, I'll admit, but this went from Majora's Mask to something much more depressing right quick. Usually the happy part of this sort of game is that you enter it when everything is as bad as it could possibly be, and your job is to make it better. If it's actually a game about coming to terms with survivor's guilt and guilt guilt then there's not so much "Hooray, we solved it!" involved.
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Dinictus posted:Well, poo poo, no early 'save everyone' time shenanigans then. I was doing some googling to see if it was possible to save everyone in one day, and apparently the day automatically resets after you save anyone a second time, probably so they don't have to come up with alternate dialog and walkpaths for various NPCs since almost everyone reacts to the gunshot..
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Kurieg posted:I was doing some googling to see if it was possible to save everyone in one day, and apparently the day automatically resets after you save anyone a second time, probably so they don't have to come up with alternate dialog and walkpaths for various NPCs since almost everyone reacts to the gunshot.. I mean, he still fires a blank...
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WFGuy posted:Personally, my "oh poo poo this went darker than multiple murder" hope is that maybe Eleanor and the baby didn't die in the fire. If this is all inside Lucas' comatose mind, then there's a shaky argument to be made that the reason the Bloodied Girl changed it up is that Eleanor went to visit him, and his subconscious perceived her as a glimmer of hope. After all, she was staying in the little guest house well away from the mansion, she might have survived, and he might just be assuming he accidentally killed her along with the others. It's also possible this is why Lafcadio is the one we're playing as, if he didn't die in the fire than as a priest he'd definitely come to visit Lucas' and try and talk to him.
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Aug 4, 2017 17:27
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Bounde said Lafcadio had been dying with Sixpence up to this point. I suppose if Lucas thought he had killed Lafcadio in the blast and then got a visit from him, he could have interpreted that as "wait, maybe there's a chance..." Actually, what if no one died, but Lucas thinks they did, and that is what he's torturing himself over. The only word we have that anyone died comes from spectres of a presumably damaged mind.
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marshmallow creep posted:Bounde said Lafcadio had been dying with Sixpence up to this point. I suppose if Lucas thought he had killed Lafcadio in the blast and then got a visit from him, he could have interpreted that as "wait, maybe there's a chance..." He says he served time in jail, which presumably means (if this isn't a hallucination on the operating table) the police and courts had reason to believe the people he believes he murdered really are dead.
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Aug 4, 2017 20:13
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We're rather close to the end. One more video to go, for fun. Lucas Bondes, the Marquis/Polsy
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I loved this game a lot. It's real good, folks. Some minor details about the ending I want to put in spoilers so people don't see them before they watch the video: -Gold Skull looks like a younger Lucas than the Marquis, so, personally, I like to think his appearance is how Lucas imagines his unborn son would have looked. You can see GS cut himself off at 15:27 talking about it, and then following it up with "WE don't deserve to be forgotten." That's not explicitly true or anything, I just think it's a neat idea. -I thought the last puzzle was a bit of a letdown at first, since it's like, one room and two steps, but I ended up liking it, looking back. Storywise the "real" final challenge is Lucas forgiving himself, so I think it's fair if the actual puzzle the player has to solve isn't that tough.
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LordHippoman posted:I loved this game a lot. It's real good, folks. I'm personally of the mind that Deuteronomy represents Lucas as a prisoner. Something about the hair, I dunno. Thanks for the LP, Scruffy. And the music in this game is absolutely stunning and I seriously wanna buy the OST.
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