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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
the poo poo I drink might be classed as "craft" but I hardly think it's "craft" its just not totally poo poo

founders 1981

its certainly drinkable.. and its usually never more than $12 for 6 beers (pretty good round here for non piss beer) and at 9 standard drinks per 6 pack it puts me in a good place and not really hung over in the morning

XD

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i love drinking beer

sometimes I think I have a drinking problem but if I run out of beer and desperate for beer but get offered wine I wont drink it

have a beer drinking problem

its fun

and tastes delcios

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Sagebrush posted:

is that what "session" means in a beer name? that it's meant for drinking a whole lot in a row, like a "drinking session?"

lo loving marf

institutionalized alcoholism is amazing

i think it means it's doable for those purposes and isn't designed as a high alcohol strong beer where you'll only have one or two

when i have a bbq etc i slum it and buy like an 18 pack of average as gently caress 4% beer so i can drink drink drink all day long and keep it together. do the same with 6% beer and you end up significantly drunker and can't just keep doing it

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i like bourbon but it's a disaster waiting to happen

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Captain Foo posted:

bourbon is good, it might be u that is the disaster

this is without question

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/etthq/status/887412993297797120

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i hate all forms of alcohol snobbery and pretentiousness, one up-manship etc etc

things that are fun and good - viagra while drinking. significantly slimmer chance of not being able to get it up. also taking mushrooms/acid while quite drunk coz it straightens ya right up, or at least you feel like that, you're still intoxicated just don't feel it as such. stimulants do that too i guess but i've not had the personal experience

personal experience of taking clonazepam before drinking : jesus christ never ever do this

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Roosevelt posted:

jesus echi

maybe just have a beer or two after work you crazy kiwi bastard

hash tag yolo

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i had dinner at my mums and she always has this steinlager pure which is a bit poo poo. clean but tasteless. i drank 5 of them. and now i'm at home taking a poo poo. i suspect soon after the kids are in bed my wife and i are gonna smoke a couple of bowls and then get down into some heavy oral sex. thanks alcohol you enable so many of the good things in life

still wish i had another beer in my hand. thanks to the way brains work etc, having a full beer in your hand is as efficacious as 2mgs of diazepam i suspect

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Mr SuperAwesome posted:

i took a benzo (recreationally) (cant remember which) after having like 2 beers and the high lasted for like 36 hours, was amusing but not ideal

slept for an entire day then the next day had to go to work and move tower computers around with dimished gross motor control

it just made me stupidly insanely intoxicated but holding it together better than being totally sloppy drunk, with no filter or sense of holding back, and a horrendous amnesia

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
heineken experience was fun

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
my threshold is about 9 standard drinks an evening, can do it day in day out. any more than that and i start to pay the price too much the day after. also doing the trick where you choose alcohol calories over food calories coz i don't need to hurt my diabetes by gaining weight

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
yeah my sleep has been poo poo lately

i totally gave up drinking after a disasterous night for about two months and only recently started again

the 9 standard drinks a night situation is something i've done and am capable of but sont want to go back to. it's just the prospect of being sober in the evening is so life drainingly depressing :lol:

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Kenny Logins posted:

in fairness I think he was just saying he could easily function at 9/day any given day without losing quality of sleep or experiencing hangover, not that he strives for that each and every day

in response to the line of questioning "how does someone drink so much every day"

but if he does actually live that life yeah you're right it's liver-pickling for sure

i was doing it prolly 4 or 5 nights a week? and then maybe a bit more on weekends? i don't really like getting trashed and i never aim for it like when i was younger, but still end up falling into those situations because when i start sribking it's like i have blinders on and just want to drink more and never stop to consider what i'm doing

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
mentally impaired :rolleyes:

but yes alcohol definitely has a factor that inhibits you from telling if you're intoxicated while you're intoxicated. some signs are obvious i guess :/ why drink driving is such a thing. get people too stoned to drive safely and they'll admit it and not feel safe driving

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Salt Fish posted:

Have you considered operating a YOSPOS swingers BBS service?

it's so crazy it might just work

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

qhat posted:

it's not nerdsplaining, it's basic common knowledge that every grown up human being, let alone a pharmacist, should be aware of

when did i ever propose anything that opposed what you're saying?

i guess i took offence to the implication that i personally was mentally impaired, didn't realise you meant, while intoxicated lol. of course i know about alcohol and impairment

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
fuckin barf

i just earlier said i detest any kind of alcohol
snobbery but this is an exemption

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i have a doz beers in my car waiting for the wns of the day/ my wife is running a sex roy party tonight and i have someone coming over and we will drink and then wife's party will end and socialise will continue

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Knuc U Kinte posted:

I thought you were having fun getting sucked off by grannies.

lady who is coming over tonight she's 46 and actually without child

haven't had sex with a legit grandma yet :( life goals tho

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i used to detest drinking when i was a stoner, now i realise the reality that no one is immune to the addictive nature of depressants

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
jesus guys it's like you're enjoying alcohol for the taste rather than as a vector for less self loathing

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
there is a significant level of facetiousness in that statement

I enjoy the taste of beer

I also enjoy being appropriately wasted. last night was that :smugmrgw:


hash tag denial

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
f

Sham bam bamina! posted:

being falling-down drunk feels goddamn awful and the day after is worse, i can't imagine how someone gets addicted to that

that's a gross state to be in

Kenny Logins posted:

hey so maybe like this thread should be about what is good to drink and not about super extra oversharing. just saying

lol mate

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

qhat posted:

imo it all depends on what you associate the drinking with. if you associate drinking with super fun times with friends etc then i reckon you're more likely to become an alcoholic because alcohol is associated with better times. but that's just my opinion and i'm not a psychologist so p.much you can ignore what i just said.

nothing to do with the fact that it hits both opioid and GABA receptors which are both good for causing physical dependence. addiction is a very multi faceted topic and you're a wee bit right about environment, alcohol is certainly addictive on a number of levels but the pure drug dependence it can create is difficult to deal with as far as not drinking

if you block opioid receptors with naltrexone people don't tend to drink anywhere near as much. they spontaneously stop drinking after a couple because it's not enjoyable anymore. can't deny that opioid addictive pathway

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
pharmacologically it's a quite unique drug. might do a write uo

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Captain Foo posted:

you're an alcoholic m8

nice diagnosis mate

what if i told you i'm not drunk right now #morpehous

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
also alcoholic has such negative connotations. maybe i'm trying to bring class and sophistication to the genre

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
what's it called when you really want a drink tonight but you don't have one

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
mate its connections with others I desire (ideally through boning). getting hosed up helps

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Poopernickel posted:

the shakes m8

nah its just so dull the prospect of not drinking


echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
and its so worthwhile

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

^this is correct

cask strength whisky SHOULD be diluted to normal strength (~43%) anyway, not shameful.

should?

lame

as if there is a "proper" way to drink alcohol, and if youre not doing it that way you're doing "it" wrong

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
tfw your life sucks because youre not actually jesus and cant turn water into beer

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
so pharmacologically.. ethanol.. it's a little bit hard to study compared to other drugs because while it does bind to a lot of receptors its purely through flinging poo poo at a wall

first of all lets look at how non potent it is. potency is the measure of a drug to have an effect based on the amount given. LSD and fentanyl are extremely potent (active in the 10-100s microgram ranges). acetiminophen/paracetamol is probably the least potent drug most people know, with doses of 4g in a day..

alcohol? one standard drink itself is already 10g.. and so half a doz beers? looking at 60-70grams of drugs??? that is an INSANE volume of drug for your body to work through

this is why alcohol doesnt have a half life as such.. well technically it does but you exceed half life of ethanol very early on, youve saturated the enzymes so they are always working at 100% and in an average person can chew through maybe 10g an hour? these are liver enzymes which is why its so hard on the liver. it gets converted to energy amongst other things which contribues to fatty liver.. enzyme induction means those that drink a lot will have more of the enzymes that metabolise alcohol so theyll siober up faster and be less hungover

absorption - most drugs rely on some form of transport across the cell walls. as far as I know alcohol isnt transported over the cell wall but moves directly through it due to it being lipid soluble. this means alcohol is absorbed everywhere, rather than having to wait to get into the intestine.. yes alcohol is absorbed through the stomach lining and hence can start to enter the bloodstream within like 7 minutes after druinking? thats insane

receptor wise what does it bind to? well, like I mentioned before you are putting such huge volumes that are in the bloodstream it tends to bind to everything.. ugh.. largely the depressive parts of the CNS. its also a solvent so its posited that it actually also disrupts neurological signalling through interfering with neuronal cell walls

but because of its very nature its a bit harder to study with the models we use to study otehr drugs and as far as receptor affinities etc


and ethanol is generally what we think of when we think alcohol but something to be aware of I guess is that the microbes that turn whatever into alcohol dont make 100% ethanol but also methanol as the msot significant secondary alcohol but also a whole host of short chained alcohols.. ugh.. and most of these chemicals will have similar pharmacological effects but their metabolites will be significantly differently (this is how methanol is bad) and will lead to tragic hangovers

i saw a sign at a bar that said that intoxicated people will be served food to reduce the effect of alcohol but there is no basis as far as I can tell for food being able to "soak up" alcohol, and in fact fatty food probably "ties up" the liver a bit and I suspect it would make you metabolise alcohol slower.. the only positive effect food will have on drinking is that youre likely to drink slower when youre full. there is no interaction between food and alcohol or even a significant effect on alcohol absorption that would imply eating "helps"

studies have been done to see if there is any way to reduce hangovers.. the evidence points to there being only one method that works - drink less. and ill add to that and say drink higher quality too, due to what I mentioned about alcohols other than ethanol. water helps maybe? but rehyudrating is easy and hangovers are barely just dehydration

ethanol metabolism forces paracetamol/acetimonphen metabolism down a pathway which creates a hepatoxic metabolite so this is why we say dont take it when drinking or after to kill pain.. itll murder ya liver. just take ibuprofen and the risk there is if youre dehydrated


just a fact or two lmao

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echinopsis fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jul 22, 2017

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
drink instead of having dinner. thats my primary advice. because being drunk might be unattractive but being fat and drunk??

img spew on self goon dot jay peg

can someone please post that

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Mr SuperAwesome posted:

i do this every now and then and i can tell u you its not gr8, u end up more hungover usually

always fucken eat when ur drinkin

fwiw im very thin

analyse the drinking and tell me if the difference is only the presence of food or if you drink more/quicker when you don't eat?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i guess that's possible.. the biggest risk when children and infants drink is hypoglycaemia, gluconeogenesis, the process where the liver creates glucose to maintain blood glucose levels stops or slows down in the presence of alcohol metabolism

it's interesting for me as a diabetic because when i drink my blood sugars don't go up despite all the glucose in the beer i drink

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

angry_keebler posted:

i thought you were going to fast until your pancreas was reset?

that was a good idea

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i drank half a doz and fell asleep in front of the fire and now i'm cooking oats for the kids

god bless drinking

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