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david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
So apparently that 5 minute single-take shot of Dunkirk that was floating around was from a completely different movie. That... actually explains a lot. I was going into it thinking it would be like a more apocalyptic First Station from Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now on a massive scale - utter confusion, waste, nihilism, punctuated by brief explosions of violence and a pending sense of dread that it would all end catastrophically. I left the theater very, very confused why that shot wasn't in there. I think I'll have to recalibrate a bit to process it fairly, but 'distant' is probably a good way to sum it up.

I saw it on the real-deal giganto film IMAX but I think the sound system was pretty bad in that theater. The gunshots mainly sounded like drum hits (I couldn't tell if this was intentional, especially in the first scene) and most of the movie had a constant flabby background bass rumble.

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david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Tailored Sauce posted:

Wasn't that Atonement?
Apparently </Kramer>

I don't know where I saw the clip linked but it was a few months ago and I figured it was from this movie (I haven't payed attention at all to who was supposed to be in Dunkirk). Didn't watch any trailers either.

From thinking about it some more I think Kenneth Branagh's character was my least favorite. He just seemed to be there for the teary-eyed exclamation of surprise/relief when all the small boats showed up. That felt a bit hokey when the movie did a good job of avoiding normal war movie cliche characters.

The boat scenes were the most harrowing by far, especially when everyone was trapped in the flooding boat in near darkness. That really brought home how terrifying some of the big naval battles must have been for the crew as their ships suddenly became death traps. You really felt like all the sinking ships had it out for the crew as they tried to crush or tangle up as many of them as possible. The shot of Cillian Murphy sitting on a nearly sunk ship in the middle of the canal was by far
my favorite too.


I really liked the flying scenes too, although the sound didn't blow me away (I think the sound wasn't very good in the theater). I think there should have been a lot of noise even when he was gliding forever.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
I legitimately think the sound was off in my theater because no way was it supposed to sound that bad. I don't mean just the mixing; the actual sound quality was bad in parts. I'm not in a hurry to see the movie again so I guess it'll be hard for me to confirm that.

Someone mentioned earlier that the three different timescales didn't pay off that well and I agree. I assume the main reason it was done was so that the airplanes could feature throughout the movie while giving more narrative breathing room to the other stories, but it felt like maybe there could have been a bigger payoff. That could easily have come off as way too clever, though. Now that I think about it, where did time advance in The Mole story? It felt like there were two days there, not a week. Try to sneak on the ship with the stretcher, get on the torpedoed ship, join up with the crew going for the beached trawler.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

JailTrump posted:

I'm pretty sure it's implied that the old captain is Tom Hardy's character's Father and the boy who dies is Tom Hardy's little brother.
No, unless you mean in a non-literal sense. The other boy says the son died on the third week (or day?). I'm pretty sure the newspaper obituary also mentioned he was an only child.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
Training accidents happen. Flying was very dangerous back then even if it had improved tremendously from WWI.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

monster on a stick posted:

Supposedly that is pretty close to how it was in real life, the Stukas had special sirens attached that were supposed to scare the living crap out of anything on the ground.
(I don't think that's a spoiler)
Yes, the Stuka had the infamous Jericho Siren installed for psychological warfare. The Nazis heavily used that sound in their own propaganda and it basically became the soundtrack to Blitzkrieg. Somehow it's also become the generic sound for a diving airplane so you've probably already heard it in a million cartoons and old movies.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Looten Plunder posted:

Saw this in Melbourne on the IMAX 4K Laser presentation and it was pretty loving awesome. Count me as a fan. The whole experience was relentless.

One thing re: the ending What's the deal with Hardy landing the plane in enemy territory? Unless I missed something, it seems to make no sense on either a practical or thematic level. Why not just turn around again and land on the allied beach? Why not just eject over the allied beach?
I think he was too low to bail out or turn around. Parachutes need a certain height to work and a turn would probably have bled way too much speed/height. Also, there is no eject; you have to climb out and jump, during which the plane will probably plummet. I'm not actually sure how realistic that amount of gliding is for a Spitfire, anyway.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Cacator posted:

I'm no expert but when they showed the reticule it was moving around in a way that looked like it would have been on some kind of stabilization system i.e. a gyro.
I thought it was just a reflector sight.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

it shriveled up posted:

There's a showing near me at a omnimax. I've never seen a movie in one of those. Would it be recommended? It'll be either that or a 70mm showing somewhere else.
That's bizarre - I don't see how showing a normal movie would even work in Omnimax. Either most of the screen would be empty or it would be insanely distorted.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

mrlego posted:

I do remember them flying low to target to save on fuel. Was this to take advantage of ground effect?
Ground effect only happens a few feet off the ground from what I understand.

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david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Jewmanji posted:

Are Messerschmitts larger than Spitfires? The way Nolan filmed them (especially the POV shots where Hardy is shooting at them) make them seem like massive, slow, hulking bombers. The plane that was strafing everyone at the end was a Messerchmitt, right? Were any other German planes featured?
"Massive, slow, and hulking" isn't a half-bad description of a Stuka. They're noticeably larger than a Spitfire, notoriously slow, and look like flying tanks because they have a fair bit of armor and they need to be really strong to survive pulling up after dive bombing. Spinky fighters like the Spitfire/Bf-109 might lose their tail if you tried the same maneuver.

I think they filmed all the planes at fairly low speeds and sped everything up in post, so that probably accounts for some of the oddness. I do remember thinking that the He-111 appeared menacingly slow as it crawled through the sky towards the ship. Almost insolent in a way - didn't that ship try getting an AA gun on target?

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