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Sham bam bamina!: Nov 6, 2012; ƨtupid cat

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:23

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# ? May 4, 2024 23:03

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

qirex posted:

silverlight was a containerized runtime, nothing web about it except that with a third party addon it happened to run in some web browsers

web = html

html is very very bad and Silverlight was an attempt to put something better into the web

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:30

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

Shaggar posted:

html is very very bad and Silverlight was an attempt to put something better into the web

if silverlight was so good, then why did it perform and behave like sludgy dogshit

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:35

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

it didnt

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:36

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

silverlight was a half-assed attempt to keep existing windows developers using microsoft technology, they just took what they were doing for the desktop and though "what if plug in"

by the time it came out mobile was taking off and single platform delivery was already a joke, people were moving away from flash because html/css/javacsript mvcs for crappy business apps [microsoft's 'web' bread and butter] were a thing

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:42

BangersInMyKnickers: Nov 3, 2004; I have a thing for courageous dongles

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

doesn't League of Legends ride on that?

Those don't rely on browser plugins so they'll sit on people's systems for years unsupported and collecting CVEs

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:53

BangersInMyKnickers: Nov 3, 2004; I have a thing for courageous dongles

silverlight was ActiveX 2.0 (NOW SUPPORTING NON-ADMIN ACCOUNTS) and nobody gave a poo poo because gently caress Microsoft and cross-platform support was garbage

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:54

dragon enthusiast: Jan 1, 2010

flakeloaf posted:

but how will customers read our descriptions and see our artisanal dining experience artwork if not in the foofy and florid format that corporate paid a graphic artist entirely too much money for

all of them are just moving to hosting on grubhub or eatstreet or foodnoun now

last time I tried to place a takeout order over phone it redirected me to some call center with a white rear end chick who couldn't pronounce any of the Chinese menu items

# ? Jul 26, 2017 17:58

My Linux Rig: Mar 27, 2010; Can't post for 6 years!

Shaggar posted:

html is very very bad and Silverlight was an attempt to put something better into the web

Hey shagger what's your opinion of ActiveX

# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:00

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Remember when you were required to install silverlight to use netflix in a browser? It's amazing how many attempts to be murdered off html and browsers have survived, the web is like the Rasputin of technologies.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:04

My Linux Rig: Mar 27, 2010; Can't post for 6 years!

Pryor on Fire posted:

Remember when you were required to install silverlight to use netflix in a browser? It's amazing how many attempts to be murdered off html and browsers have survived, the web is like the Rasputin of technologies.

Because it's the only thing you could count on working consistently in a browser on any device

Well kind of consistently

I mean it was better than flash and ActiveX 2.0

# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:09

Ellie Crabcakes: Feb 1, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

qirex posted:

silverlight was a containerized runtime, nothing web about it except that with a third party addon it happened to run in some web browsers

web = html

It wasn't containerized, the plugin was from Microsoft and it ran on pretty much everything except hip-hop operating systems (and even then if you felt the need to subject yourself to the horrors of WINE) and it had pretty much just as many vulberabilities as Flash.

And while Flash sucked, you can't blame Adobe for all of it. It sucked even worse as a Macromedia product.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:10

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

p much everything macromedia made or owned, with the notable exception of early versions of freehand, was hot garbage:

dreamweaver
flash
director
coldfusion
authorware [this is why your corporate training is still in flash]
homesite was ok if you had to write html on windows I guess
fireworks [let's combine vectors and pixels in the worst possible way and make the ui in javascript]

lol looking at their wikipedia I just learned stephen elop was their ceo for the 3 months before they got acquired by adobe

# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:26

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

My Linux Rig posted:

Hey shagger what's your opinion of ActiveX

Very useful but poorly implemented.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 18:26

Fuzzy Mammal: Aug 15, 2001; Lipstick Apathy

Shaggar posted:

Very useful but poorly implemented.

vic gundotra's second worst contribution to this gay earth imo

# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:26

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

com is so amazingly easy to use but it was too far ahead of its time and now we've gone backwards to manual string parsing over http for all ipc.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:46

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

I liked tefs idea for a Web COM tho

# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:51

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

Sham bam bamina! posted:

lol

# ? Jul 26, 2017 19:52

Jimmy Carter: Nov 3, 2005; THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE

reminder:
Metalocalypse was animated with Adobe Flash.

# ? Jul 27, 2017 04:27

Feisty-Cadaver: Jun 1, 2000; The worms crawl in,
The worms crawl out.

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

doesn't League of Legends ride on that?

not anymore, loving finally

# ? Jul 27, 2017 10:07

NoneMoreNegative: Jul 20, 2000; GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN MASTER

shit wizard dad

I wonder if there are any janky legacy systems that have a Flash frontend, where in twenty years greybeard flash devs will be paid big money to keep poo poo running :o:

man talk about hating your life

# ? Jul 27, 2017 10:13

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

qirex posted:

coldfusion

back in the day when I worked for a web company we figured out pretty quickly that any interview candidate that worked with coldfusion has had their brain permanently broken and cannot be hired.

# ? Jul 27, 2017 14:08

Maximum Leader: Dec 5, 2014

whats so awful about it and how were they broken?

# ? Jul 27, 2017 17:45

Ellie Crabcakes: Feb 1, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Maximum Leader posted:

whats so awful about it and how were they broken?

Everything.

# ? Jul 27, 2017 17:53

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

Jimmy Carter posted:

reminder:
Metalocalypse was animated with Adobe Flash.

so is south park

# ? Jul 27, 2017 18:29

burning swine: May 26, 2004

coldfusion is the microsoft access of adobe products

it's unredeemable garbage and it ruins the thought process of any developer who becomes proficient with it

# ? Jul 27, 2017 18:29

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

access is fine cause if someone sends you an acess db you can just load it into sql server

# ? Jul 27, 2017 18:31

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

Shaggar posted:

access is fine cause if someone sends you an acess db you can just load it into sql server

use sql lite

# ? Jul 27, 2017 18:32

Ellie Crabcakes: Feb 1, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

coldfusion is the microsoft access of adobe products

Did you intend to summon Shaggar or was it an accident?

# ? Jul 27, 2017 18:32

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

akadajet posted:

use sql lite

its not the same use case. access is more for small biz people (like some of the doctors w/ work with) who use the access app to input stuff into the access db. they can build forms with basic validation and its probably better then them trying to build their own web app or wpf/forms app to do it.

# ? Jul 27, 2017 18:57

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

happy to see the player die but actionscript3 is still the best ecmascript

# ? Jul 27, 2017 18:59

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

akadajet posted:

so is south park

nah south park is maya

# ? Jul 27, 2017 19:33

pram: Jun 10, 2001

lol at shagger still defending silverlight :razz:

# ? Jul 27, 2017 20:12

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

Maximum Leader posted:

whats so awful about it and how were they broken?

it's a horrible mix of HTML, SQL, and flow control statements all written inline as markup tags. it makes it impossible to engineer anything well because it is resistant to any kind of pattern that's not just an inline query. the people who are mired in it cannot wrap their heads around the idea that there are other ways to do things that are not just literally mapping database queries to HTML.

# ? Jul 27, 2017 20:24

Ellie Crabcakes: Feb 1, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

The Management posted:

it's a horrible mix of HTML, SQL, and flow control statements all written inline as markup tags. it makes it impossible to engineer anything well because it is resistant to any kind of pattern that's not just an inline query. the people who are mired in it cannot wrap their heads around the idea that there are other ways to do things that are not just literally mapping database queries to HTML.

Also myspace.

They did try to shoehorn in CFScript, but you just can't polish a turd.

# ? Jul 27, 2017 20:33

My Linux Rig: Mar 27, 2010; Can't post for 6 years!

Shaggar posted:

Very useful but poorly implemented.

aw come on, you could say that about any microsoft product

# ? Jul 28, 2017 00:34

My Linux Rig: Mar 27, 2010; Can't post for 6 years!

John Big Booty posted:

Also myspace.

They did try to shoehorn in CFScript, but you just can't polish a turd.

even that was pretty bad

but yeah look at this poo poo

code:

<cfset namesArr = arrayNew(1) />
<cfset namesArr[1] = "Xander Crews" />
<cfdump var="#namesArr#" format="text" />

that's how you create an array and set the first value in coldfusion then dump it out to display

imagine that, but with everything, even if/else statements

# ? Jul 28, 2017 00:39

Agile Vector: May 21, 2007; scrum bored

mods please close this thread, rip flash is my stage name and i will not be doxxed this way

# ? Jul 28, 2017 00:51

There Will Be Penalty: May 18, 2002; Makes a great pet!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFScript posted:

== Differences from JavaScript ==
Although CFScript and JavaScript are similar, they have several key differences. The following list identifies CFScript features that differ from java script:

quote:

* CFScript uses ColdFusion expressions, which are not a superset or a subset of JavaScript expressions. In particular, ColdFusion expressions do not support bitwise operators, and the ColdFusion MOD or % operator operates differently from the corresponding JavaScript % operator: In ColdFusion, the operator does integer arithmetic and ignores fractional parts. ColdFusion expressions also support the EQV, IMP, CONTAINS, and DOES NOT CONTAIN operators that are not supported in JavaScript.

quote:

* CFScript is not case sensitive.

quote:

* Assignments are statements, not expressions, and therefore cannot be used in situations that require evaluating the assignment operation.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 02:10

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Silver Alicorn: Mar 30, 2008; 𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮

wow homestarrunner hasn't really changed

# ? Jul 28, 2017 03:03

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