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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Will be following along with this, as you could be a useful contact in the future!

With the Cappo, it's the early ones where the engine is the same as the one Suzuki supplied for the AZ-1, it was changed later on in their run. Also I think the Cappo is closer to the S2000 than the Beat, which I would say is more like the Mk3 MR2, though I'm not keen on the Beat myself, I feel it always has this rather unfinished look to it.

How much risk is there that, with the restrictive 25 year limit for the USA, all the good stuff is already in the EU or Canada?

Do "show and display only" type clauses help you at all?

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Note it's not just Japanese stuff that can be a good buy, people often source collector cars from Japan as they can be very well looked after, plus some oddities over the years like people repatriating Land Rover Discoveries to the UK.

DogonCrook posted:

E: also this is a better write up than when jalopnik tried to tackle it, you should pitch an article if you have the time.
Does that surprise you?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

McTinkerson posted:

I really do need to start doing my homework on importing a TVR Sagaris/Cerberus from the UK
Cerbera!

But the exchange rate is probably good for you now. There will be a lot of information out there. The big showstopper I know of with them is chassis rust: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=1134816&mid=57316

Pistonheads Forum Poster posted:

I've had mine done. Lets face it they'll all need doing soon so it's a price we'll have to pay.

As said - it's a complete strip down, don't be fooled by anyone saying it can be done any other way. Then factor in some extra cash for replacing the brake lines, fuel lines, bushes etc as you might as well replace them whilst they are easy to get at.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

KakerMix posted:

This is true, I'll add this to the op.
I have at the back of my mind that I could probably run a reasonable business doing the opposite to you, sourcing and importing specialist/classic British cars to Japan.

Also, I met this guy near the Tokyo Tower a few years back. Universal link of being car guys overrode the pretty significant language barrier for an attempt at a chat:



KakerMix posted:

Not just limited to JDM, maybe there is an e30 wagon waiting for you!
:dukedog:

KakerMix posted:

Yeah you might fit in a Beat ok, Clarkson fit in one just fine and with the way it's designed you have quite a bit of room. As for the vans I'm 5'9" and have the seat all the way back.
I'm 6'2" and the Cappo is fine, it's being :btroll: that's the problem, not height per se.

InitialDave fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Aug 5, 2017

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Powershift posted:

Well where would you export it to where they never sold em?
Well, I'll be importing one to the UK at some point, it's inevitable.

We never got the Trueno with pop up lights, our Corolla GT was the Levin style front. Plus they're all totally hosed now.

Saying that, so are most of the ones I see coming up in Japan or being imported by others, so I'm goign to have to save up a bit to get a clean, largely standard car.

CharlesM posted:

Motorex didn't use any loopholes to sell the cars, they did what you actually have to do to sell a car in the U.S.: have it crash & emission tested and have it meet all applicable standards. Crash testing involves destroying three cars (maybe more now that they test roof crush strength?), emission testing I don't know much about but I'm going to guess this costs a lot of money to hire the crash test facilities, etc., not to mention the 3+ cars you have to destroy. Motorex had to at least beef up the door & install 3 catalytic converters. I guess Motorex then faked the things they needed to do later on and the cars were seized, though not crushed, mercifully.
I think they were using the paperwork for earlier models to import later ones? So fudging R32 approval to say it counted for R33s?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

CharlesM posted:

They used an R33 for testing and said it represented all 1990-1999 models. 96-98 R33 GTS & GTRs are still eligible for import as testing was done on a 96 model and those have airbags standard on both sides.
Ah, yes. I knew it was something like that. Makes more sense that way round.

InitialDave fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Aug 5, 2017

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Rhyno posted:

Oh my goodness
MCM had a video on one years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8f2n1OOAgA

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

KakerMix posted:

If you can I'd set aside $10k for a clean, unmolested one.
Man walks onto a lot. Says "I have $10k to spend, what you got?"

Dealer says "Here you go, this just came in. I'm taking money out my own pocket, frankly, but for you, $10k."

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

BigPaddy posted:

The Pulsar GTIR is great and I want one for Autocross
Aren't the gearboxes a frequent failure point one them? Like people say they will break, it's just a question of when?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
My limited understanding of the California regulations situation is that they wanted to have their own requirements in excess of federal requirements for such things, we're told that basically state law wasn't permitted to override federal law in the way they wanted to, so they went into full on "take our ball and go home" mode with it all.

Is that somewhere close to the mark?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Lord of Garbagemen posted:

They are cheap but 2023 would be the first year. Also remember that you cant even have it in the country until the 25 years has passed. So it would have to spend its life in a Canadian storage unit until then (I don't even know if a non Canadian citizen could import something into Canada).
He's in upsidedownland, while they do have a bunch of inane laws regarding cars, I think you're pretty free on age of imports.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Applebees Appetizer posted:

CT is in AUS so I doubt he has to wait for anything, kinda nice having the steering wheel on the proper side for your country as well.

I would like to get a Honda City turbo for nostalgia reasons since it was the first car I ever owned:



It's so :3:
I want a Today in You're Under Arrest police livery.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
This is probably the first time this week I've had something come up on Jalopnik's Facebook page that I hadn't seen already elsewhere: Apparently, Honda will be making Beat spare parts still, which I guess makes owning one easier long term.

Not sure how much they're planning, but I assume it'll be primarily stuff that's common failures which they've had the most enquiries about :

http://jalopnik.com/honda-to-produce-new-parts-for-the-beat-so-it-can-be-wi-1797733968/amp

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
That's a perfectly reasonable argument! I'd buy one.

Thousands of other potential GT86 buyers wouldn't, and it'd be a disaster in business terms, but still.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
I've heard people say that Japanese market dipped beams are a bit feeble compared to other countries anyway, but I guess it depends on what's actually required. From my understanding of the US norms, a UK car for example, has a bias in the sense of an absence of light thrown in certain areas, so it's not actively "nonconforming" despite being different.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
If you have problems fitting in a kei car, a smaller steering wheel to allow a slightly different leg position will make a big difference.

I fit in them, and I'm a 6'2" :btroll:.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
They had this up for £1250, previously, now down to £800:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232449536937

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

KakerMix posted:

No way it's not flipping your wipers on when you go to use your turn signal
Actually, that's more a country-of-manufacture thing than a country-of-use thing. Most cars in the UK will have the same "lights on left, wipers on right" layout you're used to. It's just as bad for us when Japanese/Korean stuff doesn't.

InitialDave fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Aug 29, 2017

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

KakerMix posted:



Now own a long-wheelbase Daihatsu Rugger (we got the gasoline short wheelbase Rugger as the Rocky) turbo diesel. 5 speed manual, 4WD, AC. :toot:
We got those as the Fourtrak. Farmers bloody loved them. I think that engine's the DL-52?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Land Rover stuff may be best sourced from europe, though Japanese market cars can be in very good condition. At one point, people were repatriating Discoveries to the UK.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
I suspect it's a legislative requirement to get the kei class plates. Or Japanese standards calculate allowance for passengers differently.

The official imports we got were plated at 500+kg.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Why not look for a euro one? It'll have the steering wheel on the left, even.

And you could get the later body style within the 25 year rule, too.

The UK probably isn't as good an option as Japan for a RHD one, but they are available here in flavours from slightly sheddy:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITSUBISHI-SHOGUN-MK-1-SWB-F-REG-IN-BLUE-/322761172877
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitsubishi-pajero-/172881311103?hash=item284087757
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitsubishi-Pajero-/272853706343

To the very nice:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-Mitsubishi-Pajero-Field-Gear-2-5-TD-3dr-Shogun-SWB-/162493547017

Or wait another five years and do this poo poo properly:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1997-R-Reg-Mitsubishi-Pajero-Evolution-3-5-V6-Shogun-Evo-Dakar-Homologation-/311963078532

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

KakerMix posted:

Working by proxy is less-than desirable you really don't have a choice when in Japan.
Is that primarily due to the distance and language barrier, or the astounding Japanese ability to just invent jobs for people, preferably with a nice bureaucratic layer added in for garnish?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

KakerMix posted:

There is a lot more bureaucracy in Japan, sure, but when it comes to vehicles I appreciate it because it means I can buy pristine examples of older cars.
Mmm, I think having someone who knows what they're doing and, as you say, is Japanese, probably helps a lot.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Did they sell them here? I'm not sure I've ever encountered one that wasn't an import.

Most JDM-origin designs rust like a bastard. Rustproofing is not a strong point, it was the same when they first started bringing stuff over here in larger amounts in the 70s. That didn't really justify people taking an attitude of "Jap crap" though, most contemporary stuff was just as bad. Vauxhalls of the period especially, most who remember them will tell you that you could hear them rusting on a quiet, damp day.

Back to the Figaros. SR20DETs will fit in Micras. You know what needs to be done.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Talk to me about buying a car and driving it in Japan for a couple of weeks before shipping it out. I believe it would only be possible if you had the help of a tame dealer or similar to "register" the car, and then there's things like insurance to deal with, too.

I'm pretty certain when MCM "bought" their Mira and drove it in Hokkaido for a couple of days, it was on the basis of something sorted by the dealer, but I don't think they've ever explicitly given the rundown on how the mechanics of it worked.

InitialDave fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Oct 7, 2017

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Elephanthead posted:

I am sure the Japanese cops though have a form for what you want to illegally do to impound the car and foreigner.
Maybe, except for the bit where I want to know how you can do it legally. This is the exact opposite of doing it illegally. A minor distinction, perhaps, but one that seems worthy of mention, given that it's the entire loving point of what I'm asking.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
One that was up for £3.6k (clean looking auto) here in the UK just vanished today, presumably sold.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Is there a configuration for one that wouldn't attract the tax? Like a camper body etc?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Can you Brat them up with seats in the bed?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
If any UK guys are interested, there's a UK Daihatsu Cuore Avanzato TR-XX R4 for sale by someone on Kei Cars In The Park, it looks pretty straight and the £1250 they're asking seems good.

http://www.kkitp.com/index.php/sales/18863-tr-xx-avanzato-r4-for-sale

They've uploaded some pictures here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wic19z7eaifo115/AADWBJ4DcG2BIdnDuN1-BxNDa?dl=0

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Lord of Garbagemen posted:

1998, gonna be a long wait
Well, that's why I said UK guys. Canadians too, I suppose.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

cakesmith handyman posted:

Aren't there only 2 of these registered in the UK currently?
Fake edit, checked and there's 2 registered 1 SORN'd. Awesome.
It's because a lot would just be registered as "Cuore" or even just "Daihatsu", which is what my V5C says - you can't rely absolutely on the HowManyLeft figures, as what the car's registered as is rather subject to the dealer filling in the initial paperwork. There's definitely more than that (as I've met the guy whose car was on RCR, and this one is another), but they're still exceptionally rare, as there were only 80 UK cars in the first place.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

KakerMix posted:

It has one of those flip-the-rear thing that opens just the back by a few inches but it stays in place, pivoting on the front.
Those often have a release button on the latch to let you remove the whole thing.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Those SJs with Kei-regulation engines always fascinated me with how they'd drive.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Fourtraks were popular with farmers here, and there's still quite a few floating around cheap, so if you really get stuck with parts etc, it's worth a look at the UK.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Bear in mind the bodies on both the Daihatsu and the Suzuki will rust like a motherfucker on salted roads, so make sure you take the time to try and protect the metalwork.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Olympic Mathlete posted:

I never knew such a thing existed. :aaa:
Same here. Awesome though.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
The R30 Skyline in that colourscheme was one of the hero cars of the TV show Seibu Keisatsu, too, I have a model kit of it somewhere.

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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Doesn't look small enough to be kei class, that's probably a regular small utility truck.

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