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logikv9 posted:yeah but at the same time if that's all you can get for your town or region then yeah tourism can be argued to be better than nothing but its the worst industry to try and attract because its all bullshit minimum wage crap kill tourists and sell their relatives fancy bespoke artisanal coffins
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spud posted:No idea who you are, but thanks. logikv9 is just a smalltown girl living in a lonely world she took the midnight train going anywhere and ended up here 
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Aug 5, 2017 06:49
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:yeah tourism can be argued to be better than nothing but its the worst industry to try and attract because its all bullshit minimum wage crap i mean the thing about tourism is that you either have it or you don't, it's a characteristic of that general location. they're going to have tourists no matter what because i guess the area is nice so it's up to them to either make money or don't it seems very dumb cuz it's not going to make things better
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Aug 5, 2017 06:51
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What's Catalan for Clinton Tyree
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Aug 5, 2017 06:55
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Having grown up in a vacation town, tourism is absolutely an enemy to leftism. For starters, when people come down to "throw money at everyone" they're mostly throwing money at two to three companies that own most of the businesses, or at least the commercial real estate. This inevitably leads to these companies having abject control over the community, which then leads to them sweeping economic, environmental, and cultural changes that are made solely to enrich those companies. So then what you're left with is a "libertarian" government and bland businesses that cater almost exclusively to entitled, upper middle class assholes who end up doing far more damage than whatever wealth they generate. Speaking of, it's loving hilarious seeing posters here compare people who can spend upwards to $10,000 in a single week to literal refugees.
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Aug 5, 2017 07:09
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:having an economy centered around attracting tourist fuckos thats only gonna even be there part of the year is the problem i think barcelona has other things going for its economy besides tourism logikv9 posted:i mean the thing about tourism is that you either have it or you don't, it's a characteristic of that general location. they're going to have tourists no matter what because i guess the area is nice so it's up to them to either make money or don't i guess they could deter tourists by physically attacking them which is what they seem to have chosen
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Aug 5, 2017 07:16
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MizPiz posted:Having grown up in a vacation town, tourism is absolutely an enemy to leftism. For starters, when people come down to "throw money at everyone" they're mostly throwing money at two to three companies that own most of the businesses, or at least the commercial real estate. This inevitably leads to these companies having abject control over the community, which then leads to them sweeping economic, environmental, and cultural changes that are made solely to enrich those companies. So then what you're left with is a "libertarian" government and bland businesses that cater almost exclusively to entitled, upper middle class assholes who end up doing far more damage than whatever wealth they generate. hey i could spend a hell of a lot more money than that a hell of a lot faster if you give it to me 
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Aug 5, 2017 07:16
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itt barcelona is a monocultural resort town that is dead in the off season
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Aug 5, 2017 07:17
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itt all of catalonia is within the barcelona city limits
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Badger of Basra posted:itt barcelona is a monocultural resort town that is dead in the off season That's what a tourism-based economy looks like. If Barcelona is able to free itself from that hell, then it should go hard and never look back.
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Aug 5, 2017 07:23
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MizPiz posted:That's what a tourism-based economy looks like. If Barcelona is able to free itself from that hell, then it should go hard and never look back.
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Aug 5, 2017 07:47
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If you can visit Barcelona and go and see the Sagrada Família, then please do. I visted it about 10 years ago, and it was beautiful even then. Do not be intimidated by idiots as: "Construction on Sagrada Família is not supported by any government or official church sources. Private patrons funded the initial stages.[44] Money from tickets purchased by tourists is now used to pay for the work, and private donations are accepted through the Friends of the Sagrada Família."  I am also not into football at all, but the Camp Nou was pretty impressive too. spud has issued a correction as of 08:25 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Aug 5, 2017 08:05
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tourism is good for the economy. why are they protesting tourists and not the bosses and government loving them with low wages
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Aug 5, 2017 08:06
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sounds complicated and I would need to know more about their issues before making my own judgement on their situation
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Aug 5, 2017 08:11
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Grognan posted:sounds complicated and I would need to know more about their issues before making my own judgement on their situation Would You Like To Know More?
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Aug 5, 2017 08:21
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Relin posted:tourism is good for the economy. why are they protesting tourists and not the bosses and government loving them with low wages Because tourism is an inherently capitalist concept that requires a vast wealth gap to function. It's about catering to a clientele that are at least able to spend a lot of money in a short period with staff that are compelled to work long hours, especially during holidays. It also takes the power to destroy communities that capitalism has and drastically accelerates it.
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Aug 5, 2017 08:36
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MizPiz posted:Because tourism is an inherently capitalist concept that requires a vast wealth gap to function. It's about catering to a clientele that are at least able to spend a lot of money in a short period with staff that are compelled to work long hours, especially during holidays. It also takes the power to destroy communities that capitalism has and drastically accelerates it. tbf communities dont exist
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Aug 5, 2017 08:42
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MizPiz posted:Because tourism is an inherently capitalist concept that requires a vast wealth gap to function. It's about catering to a clientele that are at least able to spend a lot of money in a short period with staff that are compelled to work long hours, especially during holidays. It also takes the power to destroy communities that capitalism has and drastically accelerates it. Using leftist rhetoric to attack tourists is just a way to rationalize xenophobia and couch it in emancipatory rhetoric. The tourists haven't done anything wrong, and the fundamental conflict is between employers and employees.
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Aug 5, 2017 08:52
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The reason the tourists are being attacked is not because of their 'strength', in their ability to reshape communities or whatever, but precisely because of their vulnerability - attacking the actual cause of the problem, the people with the wealth, carries too much risk. But that feeling of powerlessness and frustration, caused by the wealthy, has to go somewhere, so eventually some idiots decide to redirect it to outsiders, because that's easier than confronting the actual centers of power. It's nothing but self-indulgent catharsis.
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Aug 5, 2017 08:57
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i was a tourist in barcelona a couple of years ago and took a pic of a "tourists get out" sign
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Aug 5, 2017 09:01
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rudatron posted:The reason the tourists are being attacked is not because of their 'strength', in their ability to reshape communities or whatever, but precisely because of their vulnerability - attacking the actual cause of the problem, the people with the wealth, carries too much risk. But that feeling of powerlessness and frustration, caused by the wealthy, has to go somewhere, so eventually some idiots decide to redirect it to outsiders, because that's easier than confronting the actual centers of power. have you ever met a tourist
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Aug 5, 2017 09:04
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Barcelona is not a tourism-based economy, I'm pretty sure. Not any more than New York City is at least. Can't speak for the rest of Catalonia though. Tourism amounts to 12% of the city's GDP. By way of comparison, NYC, a city of 8.5 million inhabitants, received ~58 million visitors last year. Barcelona, a city of 1.6 million people, received around 32 million visitors, with 8+ million staying overnight.That's a lot of people walking around with wheeled suitcases, going out until all hours of the night and making noise keeping people awake. It's also a lot of people staying at apartments that have effectively been turned into AirBnB hotels, driving up the price of housing where it becomes unaffordable for people from Barcelona itself.
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Aug 5, 2017 09:08
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Tourism amounts to 12% of the city's GDP. By way of comparison, NYC, a city of 8.5 million inhabitants, received ~58 million visitors last year. Barcelona, a city of 1.6 million people, received around 32 million visitors, with 8+ million staying overnight.That's a lot of people walking around with wheeled suitcases, going out until all hours of the night and making noise keeping people awake. It's also a lot of people staying at apartments that have effectively been turned into AirBnB hotels, driving up the price of housing where it becomes unaffordable for people from Barcelona itself. Thanks man/woman. This is what I was looking for.
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Aug 5, 2017 09:26
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spud posted:Thanks man/woman. This is what I was looking for. this post is so dungeons and dragons its causing me physical pain please learn to not d&d post when u are in not d&d tia
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Aug 5, 2017 09:29
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This isn't a very hard problem. if your product has more demand that you can handle then increase the price until the demand goes away. I bet you can get rid of half the tourists with a "high season tax" of 20 euros per visitor per night
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Aug 5, 2017 09:43
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after the revolution tourism will be abolished and all will be forced to remain within 10 miles of their birthplace to avoid such imperialist practices
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Aug 5, 2017 10:12
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poty posted:This isn't a very hard problem. if your product has more demand that you can handle then increase the price until the demand goes away. I bet you can get rid of half the tourists with a "high season tax" of 20 euros per visitor per night indeed, what tourism needs is to be even more limited to the rich
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Aug 5, 2017 10:13
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safely sodomized posted:indeed, what tourism needs is to be even more limited to the rich well then use a lottery system instead, with fees for those who are given the chance to buy a ticket. treat the city like an attraction with entrances for ticketholders (and residents).
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Aug 5, 2017 10:20
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i mean i agree that tourism can be extremely damaging to local cultures, but that's more a consequence of capitalism ruining everything it touches than the idea of traveling and tourism itself. you could say there is no such thing ethical consumption under capitalism. tbh i think travel is pretty important and should be done much more by everyone, and that it's still mostly limited to the rich or lucky is a bad thing. i think any good socialist society would greatly encourage travel, not try to limit it.
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Aug 5, 2017 10:27
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I went to Barcelona and fought some gypsies while drunk with a general's son ama
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Aug 5, 2017 11:46
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Tourism amounts to 12% of the city's GDP. By way of comparison, NYC, a city of 8.5 million inhabitants, received ~58 million visitors last year. Barcelona, a city of 1.6 million people, received around 32 million visitors, with 8+ million staying overnight.That's a lot of people walking around with wheeled suitcases, going out until all hours of the night and making noise keeping people awake. It's also a lot of people staying at apartments that have effectively been turned into AirBnB hotels, driving up the price of housing where it becomes unaffordable for people from Barcelona itself.
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Aug 5, 2017 12:53
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Yeah, I don't think you can call a 12% tourism share in GDP a 'tourism-based economy' though obviously its importance is not insignificant. The problem is more that Barcelona lends itself a lot better than NYC to going out, getting drunk and partying in the street both weatherwise and pricewise, so that's what people do. And there's a limit to how many drunk Brits anyone can take (us Dutch are also annoying but usually a bit more harmless).
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Aug 5, 2017 13:16
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Yeah, I don't think you can call a 12% tourism share in GDP a 'tourism-based economy' though obviously its importance is not insignificant. The problem is more that Barcelona lends itself a lot better than NYC to going out, getting drunk and partying in the street both weatherwise and pricewise, so that's what people do. And there's a limit to how many drunk Brits anyone can take (us Dutch are also annoying but usually a bit more harmless). Drunk Aussies are the worst.
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Aug 5, 2017 13:17
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I assumed the Spanish were all already drunk themselves
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Aug 5, 2017 13:19
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drunk brits are worse than aussies
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Aug 5, 2017 13:20
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ive been in se asia for a year i can scientifically confirm that
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Aug 5, 2017 13:21
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safely sodomized posted:drunk brits are worse than aussies hopefully Brexit means less drunk british tourists
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Aug 5, 2017 13:21
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safely sodomized posted:drunk brits are worse than aussies Are they worse than Russians though, come to think of it?
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spud posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40826257 This is loving stupid.
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