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Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin

Distorted Kiwi posted:

Enslaved Orcs.

From Orkland

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El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
About that non-citizen indentured labour thing:

quote:

Examples of the revolt include Southland, which wants 10,000 more people.

"Good Kiwis are hard to find. Guys don't want to let their good Kiwis go," farmer Hayden Nicholson told Newshub.

"I wouldn't. I wouldn't let any good Kiwi go."

Jono Breach also knows how hard it is to get a "good Kiwi". He just got an application from one, so checked his Facebook page.

"His first picture was with wads of cash and bags of drugs, and I'm like, 'Well!'," he told Newshub.

That's why farmers down in Southland have turned to immigrant labour, mainly Filipinos, like "Choco", who loves the work, and even says he likes the Southland frost.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

exmarx posted:

a few more polls have been released, with some wild fluctuations.

the two big ones polled over the exact same period and got these results


looks like this one was right



R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

wait labour dipped 7%? what happen

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




R. Mute posted:

wait labour dipped 7%? what happen

remember, theyre in the southern hemisphere

that arrow means their numbers improved 7%

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo

R. Mute posted:

wait labour dipped 7%? what happen

new zealand has a crippling addiction to neo-liberalism, and its middle-class are devoid of empathy

if you mention this, they'll flip off the handle and tell you that you're the reason trump won, or some poo poo

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
[quote="“R. Mute”" post="“476581197”"]
wait labour dipped 7%? what happen
[/quote]

taxcinda!!!

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin

R. Mute posted:

wait labour dipped 7%? what happen

National found an attack that worked

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin
Rodders telling it like it is: https://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/tax-love-destroys

Rodney Hide posted:

I like ideas that are confronting but “tax is love” exploded my head. It doesn’t compute at any level. I don’t feel love paying tax; only disgust.
If it were love, we wouldn’t need the 3000-page Income Tax Act. We would happily pay and pay.
If it were love, the government wouldn’t thump tax out of us till our pips squeak. It would appeal to our better nature.
If it were love, the government wouldn’t reverse the burden of proof – you owe what government says you owe unless you can prove otherwise.
Tax is not love.
Tax is theft – Parliament may make it legal but that doesn’t change the nature of the transaction. Tax is slavery – we are forced to work for the government under threat of violence. Tax is love? I can’t begin to understand that.
The robber doesn’t love his victim. And the victim doesn’t love the robber. Indeed, the robber is more honest than government: he doesn’t pretend he’s thieving for the victim’s good. He doesn’t stay on following the robbery proving a nuisance.
Tax busts otherwise successful businesses and investments. In its absence we would be rich beyond our dreams. Tax is the power to destroy.
Tax might be tolerable, though not justifiable, if it made society “better off” but it demonstrably does not. Tax serves to pay young single women to have babies and pays young men not to work. It sponsors family dysfunctionality.
Tax destroys choice and competition in health and education ensuring second-rate service at exorbitant cost. It’s the reason our children are poorly schooled and Nana can’t get her operation.
Tax funds an army of bureaucrats to hassle us and to cost us not just in its collection but in everything we do, whether it’s to give someone a job, start a business or build a house.
Tax collection is wasteful and violent. The spending of the proceeds is more damaging than its collection. We would be better off if the government just left the money in a giant government sock.
We don’t “pool” our resources through government. No. The government simply takes what is ours. It does so violently and viciously without care. It does so not to make the country better off but to get politicians elected. That’s the fraudulent promise of government.
It’s a new thing for an economist to declare “tax is love.” But what's as old as time is Jacinda Ardern and Bill English each promising to love us to death.

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest
hahaha i wanna hit that guy

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin
If he wasn't compelled to pay tax he could afford private security to protect himself from people like you.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

literally taxes? like the most primal of the right wing attacks? how can labour not be ready for that?

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin

R. Mute posted:

literally taxes? like the most primal of the right wing attacks? how can labour not be ready for that?

Decorum. They don't appear to be willing to just call National out as liars.

[e] or point out the various times that National raised taxes in the last 9 years.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

cowardice is the nature of the social democratic ideology

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
they made a big deal signing up to 'budget responsibility rules', in which they promised not to spend any more money than the national party to appear economically credible.

the income tax thing is pure ratfucking - the current government passed tax cuts into law a little while ago, they're due to come into effect next year or something. national is claiming that labour's proposed reversal of tax cuts is actually an income tax rise. dreadful stuff.

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo

R. Mute posted:

literally taxes? like the most primal of the right wing attacks? how can labour not be ready for that?

Media lambastes Labour for 'attack politics' when they call out National for directly lying to the electorate, but then the same media attacks Labour for not calling National lies sooner.

They're the 'nasty left' when they attack, and 'spineless bleeding hearts' when they don't attack.

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin
Last remaining ACT voter sets himself on fire as a protest.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/97105434/man-reportedly-set-himself-on-fire-outside-parliament-police-say

quote:

Emergency services are at Parliament in Wellington where a man has set himself on fire.

In a statement, Police said paramedics were treating the man, who was in a critical condition.

Police, ambulance and fire were all at the scene. They confirmed the man set himself on fire in front of Parliament.

https://twitter.com/MattCNBC/status/910715887946100736

There was a burnt patch of grass, about a metre in diameter, on lawn outside Parliament House.

A witness who did not want to be named said she arrived outside Parliament's front entrance just as the man was being moved into the ambulance.

Another man, who saw the incident, said he initially thought the smoke was coming from within Parliament. Then emergency services doused him in water.

He did not know what the man was protesting.

The man's placard remains on the steps leading up to Parliament House.

A Wellington Free Ambulance spokesman said the man was in a "status one" condition, which was critical.

He would be transferred to Wellington Hospital soon, he said.

The main entrance to Parliament was being closed off to the public.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
last (?) poll before saturday


and a guy set himself on fire in front of parliament because of family court

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Are you sure he was not an American tourist, by the name of Carl Diggler?

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest
its good to see that Family Court Dads exist in your country as well as ours

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
i didn't even know we had a family court

im rly hoping the greens get 7+% :pray:
https://twitter.com/phdwahine/status/910748700233707520

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

exmarx posted:

they made a big deal signing up to 'budget responsibility rules', in which they promised not to spend any more money than the national party to appear economically credible.

the income tax thing is pure ratfucking - the current government passed tax cuts into law a little while ago, they're due to come into effect next year or something. national is claiming that labour's proposed reversal of tax cuts is actually an income tax rise. dreadful stuff.
ah so they're huge loving idiots

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
:siren: official prediction :siren: : national/nz first government

R. Mute posted:

ah so they're huge loving idiots

yeah

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest

R. Mute posted:

ah so they're huge loving idiots

this is generally true, of people

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
here's my fave politics image of 2017

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

exmarx posted:

:siren: official prediction :siren: : national/nz first government


yeah

:rip:

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

exmarx posted:

here's my fave politics image of 2017


lmao the walnuts

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
it is now illegal to say anything that might suggest support for a political party in nz




please come back in 19 hours

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




is it election tampering if i make a cool new gangtag that is only available if the mana party forms the govt

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.






good dogs

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
it's now legal to talk about the election again

i'm watching election coverage here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnceBjlZsLI

early results showi

http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/index.html

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/Claire_Phipps/status/911512592073367553

rip

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
this is, a bad country

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

All of a sudden I'm not feeling good about the next Australian election. It's currently 52-48 for Labor, but Bill Shorten is a spineless, charismatic blackhole. Don't worry NZ, you'll get to laugh at us when we elect PM Tony Abbott in 2019.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
https://twitter.com/HeraLindsayBird/status/895157540664856577

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


unstickied to help hide yalls shame

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest
whats the jacaranda effect

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin

quite stretched out posted:

whats the jacaranda effect

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El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo

Isn't this graph completely inaccurate? Labour were polling sub 25% from May, until August when Little stepped down?

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