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Caros
May 14, 2008

Wait. Did no one post the Prelude side story or its conclusion that have been up for a couple of months now?

Because that should probably go in the OP. Because Kenshin is cool and real, and he is my friend.

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Caros
May 14, 2008

Space Flower posted:

I see, I see. if this new Kenshin takes place a bit after Yahiko no Sakabato then I'm all for it.

As far as I can tell, it is a direct follow-up, yeah.

It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the major plot point from the end of the original that Kenshin isn't really capable of fighting properly anymore.

Caros
May 14, 2008

VJeff posted:

Okay I have two things I need to know. I read Kenshin all the way through, it and Buso Renkin are like my favorite manga, Watsuki is a loving god, so I just need to know two things.

1) Is this a real actual OG canon Kenshin continuation or is this with the reboot movie tie-in thing? I never read the reboot, so if I gotta catch up, I wanna know now.
2) Saito hosed off to Hokkaido at the end of Jinchu, are we finally gonna loving get the Kenshin vs. Saito fight? :catstare:

1) Check my post towards the bottom of the previous post if you haven't already. It is a full on follow-up that has nothing to do with the movies. Supposedly, Watsuki had ideas for a Hokkaido arc at the time, but left them on the drawing room floor as the series seemed to be a more satisfying conclusion.

2) Doubtful tbh. Unless you end up with Saito as an antagonist (for some reason) they really don't have a reason to fight one another. And absent that, they've both already sort of decided that they don't need to see how it ends with Kenshin as he is.


Manatee Cannon posted:

yea the ending and epilogue make it clear that he can't fight anymore, but that doesn't mean they can't figure out a way to get around/fix that if the author wants kenshin to fight

My suspicion is that they'll probably focus mostly on the extended cast doing their fights, with one or two big battles from Kenshin himself.

The new stuff is picking up roughly where the epilogue left off, so Kenshin can still fight, he just isn't a sword god or anything. I'm guessing that if they want to give a 'full power' style fight, they'll probably do something similar to MHA or Iron Blooded Orphans and have it actively causing permanent harm to fight at his old pace.

That said, I'm actually more excited about The fact that Enishi is seen in the cast of people involved. Watching him righteously wreck someone's poo poo will be amazing.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Dexo posted:

Yeah Kenshin can still fight. He's just probably on a level below that of Saito, Aoshi and the heavy's and more like on Sano's level.

I just hope that since we are seeing shishio leftovers Soujiro comes thru and wrecks some motherfuckers.

Soujiro is also on the splash image, so it is likely he shows up at the very least .

Caros
May 14, 2008

Dexo posted:

Just read the first chapter(it's up on Viz)

Pretty good set up chapter.

Also a sweet retcon of some chapter one stuff. But meh.

lmao I hope whenever Kenshin has to use a sword he has to always ask Yahiko for the reverse blade and hope he's around.

God I forget just how much I love Watsuki's art.

Good chapter was good. Great hook for the upcoming arc, and the new cast looks interesting.

Cute nod that the way they decided to peace bond Mugenjin was by wrapping it up in bandages.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Tarodia posted:

It's a loving dollar

Not even, there is a trial period for right now if you are that cheap.

Scanlators will probably take a week or two to pick it up, since it will rely on a group deciding they want to translate it.

Caros
May 14, 2008


Holy poo poo that translation is painfully bad. I mean, thanks on behalf of other people, but that is just horrendous.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Exercu posted:

And Aoshi, kind of.

Also, you know. Kenshin when he learns the succession techniques.

Caros
May 14, 2008

tbp posted:

well, sorta. its pretty heavily implied that if he were fully in Battousai mode he'd pretty much run over shishio and co i think, but he definitely gets stronger from the start of the series until the last fight with shishio, at which point he gets weaker due to his body breaking down

Maybe. My reading was that he was pretty much burned out by the time he actually got to the Shishio fight, but that once he got back up from his nap and the visual manifestation of his Kenki kicked in, he was supposed to be at his old level, but in control. Even what you see him do once he is actually in fighting form is night and day.

I don't actually agree that he was any weaker for the Jinchuu arc, howeve. Sanosuke certainly doesn't suggest it, despite having seen all three fights. Megumi doesn't bring up the whole 'your body is breaking down' until the epilogue, though it is hinted at slightly earlier. He gets help from his friends in the leadup to the finale, but that has more to do with the fact that he somehow went two weeks without eating, sleeping or getting treatment for the brutal asskicking Enishi laid down on him in the first round.

tbp posted:

i only read the enishi arc this time around but honestly, not a huge fan of most of it. enishi himself just isn't that compelling and is one of the weaker designs for the main villains, though it's hard to top someone as distinctly horrifying as shishio. i did like that they didn't really up the ante it terms of skill and had kenshin failing because 1) his mental block re: anything concerning tomoe and 2) his body was literally starting to fall apart. lack of power creep is a nice thing in a shonen and is one thing RK does really well throughout, hell the protag is almost never seen at his maximum strength. not much really more to say about this arc but i was always glad with how it ended, kenshin is so incredibly endearing.

Gonna throw spoiler tags here on the off chance anyone hasn't read the back third of the manga, since it was never really animated well.

Personally, I gotta disagree with this one. Enishi, for me at least, is a way more entertaining villain than Shishio, if only because his motivation is tied in more directly with the characters we know. Shishio runs a nebulously strong military organization that he wants to use to take over Japan. Enishi wants to specifically drive Kenshin to suicide by ennui. Likewise, you have to give Enishi some credit for a lot of the planning he did. He beats Kenshin's finisher not because of a mental block or any weakness on Kenshin's part, but in the same way Shishio tried to, by baiting it out with an underling so he knew what he was up against. I'll agree that most of the arc villains were sort of meh, save for Gein, but Enishi is probably my favorite villain in the series because of his parallels to Kenshin, both in background and in fighting style. Most of the villains in Kenshin have only one or two special moves. Izuna for Raijuta, Jin-e's Shin no Ippo, Aoshi's handful of gimmicks and so forth. Enishi was the only one who had a full anime protagonist worth of special moves, which makes him a neat foil.

Admittedly, I'm probably biased since the arc contains all three of my favorite moments The Ryu Mei Sen resheathing to shut down Enishi's gimmick superpower, Kenshin beating the everloving poo poo out of Enishi with his fists after having the succession technique broken and getting nearly cut in half because he went after Karou, and the holy gently caress moment of Karou pinned to the wall with a cross shaped cut on her cheek.

It also has the single best 'supporting cast fights a conveniently equal number of bad guys they can pair off neatly against' moment in any anime I've seen. The four stars get an introductory episode, pair off, and then it takes a single chapter for each of their fights, just long enough to give an entertaining 'Oh, X is on his back foot how will he... oh, he wrecked the guy, cool.' moment for each without having to draw it out for twenty chapters like... say, Bleach.

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Finally, we find out how Kenshin gets an incurable disease that kills him in a bad movie nobody liked.

The thing that bothered me most about the movie is how its ending explicitly shits on the series ending by having his scar fade when he dies. The manga isn't even coy about this, the entire point of the Jinchuu arc is that death isn't forgiveness, that living a good life honors sacrifices, but doesn't wash them out. I mean, it was a poo poo movie to begin with, but how they missed that is just baffling to me.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Hopeford posted:

My favorite thing about the Enishi arc was actually the moment when Yahiko is like "I don't care if I'm ten, I'm gonna go fight the weird giant with the gun hand" and acts really badass. The moment the leaf blows up because he's going for it is my favorite moment in that arc. It feels really nice to see him going from weak pickpocket at the beginning of the series to what he becomes. Hope we see more of Yahiko being great in the new series now that he's grown up.

I'm actually looking forward to the next chapter since this one teased an actual match between the two of them. It should be an interesting way to gauge how far one has come and the other has fallen.

Ytlaya posted:

My favorite Kenshin move is the one when he's doing that chain against Shishio and one of his attacks involves flipping. The most impractical looking sword technique.

Only vaguely related, but one of the most fun things they tease throughout the jinchuu arc is that we are missing out on about 1/3rd of Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu techniques on account of Kenshin being unable to thrust with the sakabatou.

The flashback gave us Ryu Tsui Sen - Zan with the point down (brutal as hell) and the Gein fight showed a comparatively normal thrust.

Fingers crossed that Hiko stumbles by to teach clown a fool and/or give kenshin something to help hold together for the arc.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Ccs posted:

I would rather an adaption of the Enishi arc into anime than more manga, though without Satou's original voice actor it might not be the same.

Still, Kenshin was my favorite series for a while so I'll give this a shot.

Why not both?

Honestly, I would be completely shocked if the manga revival doesn't result in a Full Metal Alchemist:Brotherhood style revival where they summarize the early series, then take on the two arcs that have never been properly animated.

The series has had two new animated movies and three live action adaptations in the last half decade, wouldn't be a real surprise to see them finish up a popular work.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Rangpur posted:

Enishi gets poo poo on because his orange and purple outfit is ugly as sin.

You take that back before I declare earthly motherfucking justice on you.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Nate RFB posted:

Kyoto arc of Kenshin is still probably the best top-to-bottom shounen arc I've seen or read. Arguably some in One Piece have gotten close, but Kyoto will always be my favorite. Jinchuu was honestly kind of a letdown; it certainly got a lot of attention at the time it first got scanlated based on the premise that it was the "real" ending arc that the anime had botched, but outside of Enishi himself none of the fights or story content really measured up. That said, while I do prefer the general positive nature of Kenshin as a series, in Jinchuu the apparent death of Kaoru is insane and part of me wishes it had been for real. I don't know how the series could have possibly ended satisfactorily if it had been, but it still kind of felt half-assed what they went with instead.
I primarily bought a SJ subscription because the manga stream translations of One Piece were so terrible. And since it ultimately also got me access to MHA, the occasional OPM, Promised Neverland, and of course now Kenshin, I think it works out fairly well chapter/cost-wise in the end.

There was an interview a couple of years back that talked about the Kaoru thing where the author went over the same back and forth of how he decided to let Kaoru live.

His answer is thst it was basically the Kyoto arc that saved her. Originally the Kyoto arc was supposed to be the Jinchuu arc, and Kaoru was supposed to get offed permanently. With fan reaction to her, and his own growth as an author, he decided that kenshin deserved to have a happy ending, which you are never going to get if she ended up dead.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Hopeford posted:

I'm not even sure why, but Yahiko giving back the sword kinda made me sad. Hope he appears again in the series, would be a bummer if he stays out of this whole arc from now on.

Fairly certain that he will in some form or another. I did like what they did with it, and how they acknowledged that Kenshin's 'non-lethal' fighting style consists of beating someone to within an inch of their life with a few feet of steel. Nice to see the acknowledgement that part of what makes Kenshin so scary is that he is capable of beating such high level opponents while also having to constantly reserve himself from caving in their skulls.

Also, I'm surprised they slipped the 'stamina' joke in there about Kenshin and Kaoru. Cute touch, and the faces were priceless.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Motherfuck. And I was just looking forward to this months chapter. :(

Caros
May 14, 2008

AndwhatIseeisme posted:

It's super hosed up to hear that the author of one of my favorite mangas of all time is a pedophile, but I am hoping beyond hope that Oda is not someone he names or who knew about this in anyway. Oda was one of his assistants during Kenshin's publication, and if this creepy mangaka sex-ring that apparently exists pulls One Piece down with it, I am going to be really depressed.

Can you imagine having one piece killed off? People would riot.

I mean, not a lot of people. But people.

Caros
May 14, 2008

So a thought occured:

Despite the cancellation, the story actually wraps up pretty neatly. The four villains of the arc face off against Saito. Saito murders them all and Kenshin and family go on a fun family vacation. The end.

Caros
May 14, 2008

AndwhatIseeisme posted:

If anyone is curious about what possessing hundreds of child porn pictures nets you in Japan, the answer is apparently a bit shy of 2 grand.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=https://www.jiji.com/jc/article%3Fk%3D2018022700954%26g%3Dsoc&prev=search

On the bright side, Rurouni Kenshin might be coming back I guess? :shrug:

No, it won't. Shuesha doesn't want to poke that bear, and I can hardly blame them.

That said, the idea that he rolled on people to get a $2,000 fine is, sadly, not all that likely. Possession of Child Pornography was legal in Japan up until 2014, with production legal as recently as 1999. From what I've read on this specific case, it looks like his stash of pornography (on DVD, because sure, why not) was pretty much all pre-2014, so was all technically legal for him to own when he obtained it, which influenced the court's decision.

Mind you, the maximum penalty he could have recieved was $10,000 fine and one year in jail.

Just in case anyone wondered whether Japan was really hosed up when it comes to their treatment of sex crimes against children.

Edit: If you feel like beign disgusted, here is a 'fun' article on the subject. Apparently as recently as 2016 you could still buy suspected child porn in Akihabara because even law enforcement don't really give a poo poo.

Caros fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Mar 1, 2018

Caros
May 14, 2008

Captain Invictus posted:

I would love to see what the general Japanese fanbase reaction to this poo poo is. Are people saying they'll boycott the magazine he's part of, that sort of thing, or are they just kinda going with it too?

Japan didn't criminalize possession of child pornography until 2014. You can still find 'jk' cafes in major public areas where grown men pay to hang out with underage girls. Sad to say, but culturally they don't really give a gently caress.

As far as people saying that he 'flipped' I don't really buy it. Japanese had a huge crackdown last year after one of the major distributors got caught with an email list, which is probably part of how he got caught, though I've also read conflicting reports that his material was mostly leftover stuff from pre-2014 which doesn't make it better at all, but does lessen the severity of his punishment.

Of course, the same translated article that mentions the 'leftover' stuff also points out that fifteen police officers were arrested last year under similar crimes and only five actually had been fired. So... Japan.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Everything Burrito posted:

ah yes, jokes such as these

When a country doesn't have laws against child pornography until loving 2014, that speaks to the values of the culture. You can't just make the argument that it is 'some section' of society, because even though the actual consumers of the media are pretty low, the fact that it takes decades to address the problem in the same society that also censors porn speaks volumes.

The fact that the author here is back to work despite being publicly arrested for having a Smaug-esque horde of child abuse photos and videos, that his 'punushment' was the price of a 2006 Nissan armada is a japan problem.

Waving it off as a small subsection of perverts ignores the fact that as recently as 2013 you could walk to an open air market in a major Japanese city and buy images of child abuse, and that the only thing that has changed in a lot of these places is a flimsy veneer about how the girls are totally 18. At best you can argue apathy on behalf of Japan with regards to this issue, which is still really, really bad.

Caros
May 14, 2008


Good to know that at least the english publisher isn't exactly chomping at the bit to get him back in action.

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Caros
May 14, 2008

Kurtofan posted:

lol i read the comments

Avoid reddit. I know it is a general rule, but I poked my head into the kenshin subreddit and now I want to put a fist through a wall after reading a half dozen "He paid his debt to society" comments.

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