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There's always been a debate over who's the biggest draft bust of all time. With Roberto Aguayo having been released by the Buccaneers a short while back, the idea came to me to have a tournament to determine exactly whom is the biggest bust. The only catch is that there can only be one player per franchise in this tournament, so you can't nominate every draft pick the Jets have made. You can nominate as many players as you want, but they have to be from different teams. I'll get the ball rolling by nominating Amobi Okoye for the Texans. He was in over his head as soon as he came in, mainly because he was, like, 19. That was a bad pick all around.
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Aug 30, 2017 03:29
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It's Ryan Leaf
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Aug 30, 2017 03:49
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Bo Jackson, but you're the Bucs
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Aug 30, 2017 03:51
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I'll nominate Russell Erxleben. He was Aguayo on steroids, and drafted 11th overall in 1979 by the Saints. The idea was he would handle both punting and kicking and the Saints would save a roster spot. Turns out he sucked at both of those things, he stuck with the Saints for four years mostly as a bad punter before they gave up on him. Not football related but he's also a gem of a person, going on to be convicted of mail fraud, money laundering and a ponzi scheme on separate occasions.
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Aug 30, 2017 04:03
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Fat Mike Williams was obviously doomed from the start.
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Aug 30, 2017 04:10
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Shangri-Law School posted:Fat Mike Williams was obviously doomed from the start. Benched at receiver for Josh McCown
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Aug 30, 2017 04:32
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The easy pick would be Aguayo but nah Christian Hackenberg
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Aug 30, 2017 04:50
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What is the criteria? The player that flamed out the worst? The one who cost their team the most draft capital? The most hilarious? Also you gotta consider all the players that a team *could* have drafted at that same spot.
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Aug 30, 2017 04:52
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:What is the criteria? The player that flamed out the worst? The one who cost their team the most draft capital? The most hilarious? Also you gotta consider all the players that a team *could* have drafted at that same spot. this is an interesting point imagine if a team didn't just waste a lot of picks, but intentionally blew an entire season to move up and draft a player. Even if he showed some promise, you'd expect like a ring or three for that, right? But what if the team was so bad that not only does he only play 2 or 3 years healthy, but it tops out at like a division title or something and then the team gives him permanent career-ending cancer? Andrew Luck is the biggest bust in draft history.
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Aug 30, 2017 05:04
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Use your own judgement. There is no textbook definition of 'bust', but generally it's a high draft pick that should not have been a high draft pick.
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Aug 30, 2017 05:11
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Rae Carruth because murder
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Aug 30, 2017 05:14
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Ryan loving Leaf.
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Aug 30, 2017 05:56
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The Seattle Seahawks have had many over their years... for the most recent and highest draft pick- I would argue Aaron Curry. But... considering their middling talent through most of their life, it's kind of hard to say any SPECIFIC one set them back. Koren Robinson was poo poo other than one or two plays a season. Rick Mirer got us a draft pick and was ok as a rookie, setting rookie records... Shawn Springs was actually not half loving bad as a cornerback... Aaron Curry is just the one I keep coming back to as the one who was just so stupid that he's a coach for a team that.. well, I'd never even heard about them until now. I admit I'm not a huge college football fan, but, who the gently caress gets drafted from the Charlotte 49ers? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_49ers_football Aaron Curry, he's not bad, he's super athletic, but he just can't grasp defensive concepts to stop a kitten from a ball of yarn. Edit: For methodology I just looked back at high draft picks the Seahawks had and basically, well you can see the rest. If it was a high draft pick, ( <10), then I considered it for this. Seahawks have had others higher than that which I think could have set them back, but... Aaron curry though and the 2009 draft were all such crap, I'm still not set on Aaron Curry. It was a bad draft, but hell, they could have taken Alex Mack I guess? 4 overall though for a center... I mean retrospectively sure considering Alex Mack but come on. It's a hard call for the Seahawks. windshipper fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 08:30
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Does Jared Goff have to flame out fully or can we vote on him with the information we know now?
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Aug 30, 2017 08:43
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Raku posted:this is an interesting point Bigger than RG3?
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Aug 30, 2017 10:09
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Ja'Marcus Russel
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Aug 30, 2017 10:45
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It's sort of close for Baltimore but I'd have to say Kyle Boller over Travis Taylor. For all 3 years he started in Baltimore he was a bottom 3 QB. Boller held the franchise back during some prime years of Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, and Johnathan Ogden. He prevented Baltimore from pursuing better talent at QB like say Aaron Rodgers. He was drafted by Baltimore instead of using their 2nd rounder on Anquan and in order to trade up the Ravens had to give up their 2004 1st rounder, which the Patriots used to draft Vince Wilfork. Sadly, even with all that working for him, Boller doesn't have a chance in this contest. Despite being the worst QB in the league during his tenure in Baltimore, Boller did occasionally flash. Some great and two superb players were available after him in the draft but no 1st ballot hall of famers. The Ravens traded a bit to get there, still Kyle was only the 19th pick of the draft. My man just doesn't have the pedigree to compete with the Ja'Marcuses of the world.
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Aug 30, 2017 11:58
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i second Russell Erxleben as the biggest draft bust of all time
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Aug 30, 2017 12:02
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Cleveland's first round running backs as a group.
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Aug 30, 2017 12:33
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Randaconda posted:Ja'Marcus Russel Grip n sip and call it right here.
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Aug 30, 2017 13:02
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Cade McNown, Cedric Benson, Curtis Enis, Rick Mirer, Gabe Carimi, Chris Williams, David Terrell, Rashaan Salaam, John Thierry, Marc Colombo, Alonzo Spellman, Bob Sapp, oh my God gently caress the Bears...
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Aug 30, 2017 14:01
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I mean, the Patriots took Tony Eason instead of Dan Marino in 1983 lol. That shouldn't win or anything, but it's pretty funny.
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Aug 30, 2017 14:19
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sean10mm posted:I mean, the Patriots took Tony Eason instead of Dan Marino in 1983 lol. That shouldn't win or anything, but it's pretty funny. The Jets also took some scrub before Marino.
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Aug 30, 2017 14:22
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Randaconda posted:The Jets also took some scrub before Marino. Ken O'Brien wasn't Tony Eason bad though.... Or Todd Blackledge bad  Looking at that draft it was really pretty good even outside of the quarterbacks. Eric Dickerson, Bruce Matthews, and Darrell Green were hall of fame guys. Then you had hall of very good guys like Henry Ellard, Albert Lewis, Roger Craig, Charles Mann and a whole bunch more I could mention. 1983 was a good year unless your idiot team passed on Marino for some schlub.
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Aug 30, 2017 14:28
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FizFashizzle posted:Rae Carruth because murder Armanti Edwards cost the top pick in the second round & a middle pick in the third, was converted from QB to WR and caught five passes.
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Aug 30, 2017 14:42
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John Elway.
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Aug 30, 2017 15:11
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Timby posted:Cade McNown, Cedric Benson, Curtis Enis, Rick MirerGabe Carimi, Chris Williams, David Terrell, Rashaan Salaam, John Thierry, Marc Colombo, Alonzo Spellman, Bob Sapp, oh my God gently caress the Bears... You didn't draft Rick Mirer. 
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Aug 30, 2017 16:00
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Randaconda posted:Cleveland's first round running backs as a group. In a three year period Cleveland blew five first round picks on these guys. Richardson Weeden Mingo Gilbert Manziel Has any team ever had such a sustained period of garbage first round picks as this? It's really spectacular.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:46
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:In a three year period Cleveland blew five first round picks on these guys. The only one close would be the Jags I would think, but I'd have to check their pick history. For Atlanta, Jamaal Anderson and Peria Jerry were pretty epic busts. Not Ryan Leaf noteworthy, but huge wastes of 1st round picks.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:48
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When you consider the amount of draft capital wasted with those five 1sts it has to be three worst years of drafting ever.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:50
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:When you consider the amount of draft capital wasted with those five 1sts it has to be three worst years of drafting ever. Oh yeah, not disagreeing with you there lol The Browns have to take the cake. I was just more thinking of perpetual top 5/10 picking teams and the only other one that comes to mind is Jax. Cleveland no doubt has them beat though.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:51
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weird Asian candy posted:Oh yeah, not disagreeing with you there lol Tampa Bay in the 80's? I mean they drafted the wrong person once (as in actually not the person the team wanted to draft), screwed themselves out of Bo Jackson and surely didn't make a good pick anywhere in between.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:55
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Grittybeard posted:Tampa Bay in the 80's? I mean they drafted the wrong person once (as in actually not the person the team wanted to draft), screwed themselves out of Bo Jackson and surely didn't make a good pick anywhere in between. Yeah, that is a good one too. I was curious as to who Jax has taken over the years in the first and it is a pretty great list. Though recently with Fournette and Ramsey, they have been good. Fowler (should have been amazing) Blake Bortles Luke Joeckel Justin Blackmon Blaine Gabbert Tyson Alualu Eugene Monrow Derrick Harvey Reggie Nelson Mercedes Lewis (serviceable) Matt Jones Reggie Williams Prior to that they picked Leftwich, John Henderson and Marcus Stroud which were good picks.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:02
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Dion Jordan
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Aug 30, 2017 17:16
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Aaron Maybin was pretty bad. The OT Mike Williams was bad, too. Robert Agauyo should be part of this conversation.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:18
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fsif posted:Robert Agauyo should be part of this conversation. I honestly believe Aguayo is trumped in every way other than trading up for him by Erxleben. We weren't around when that happened but Jesus Christ just imagine it. 11th overall for a kicker who not only sucks, but you try to salvage as a punter since that's how you sold yourself on the pick and he sucks at that too.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:22
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Can I nominate the unit of Brandon Weeden and Phil Taylor on the basis of them being the kye pieces of the Julio Jones trade?
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Aug 30, 2017 17:25
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Akili Smith loving sucked and I hate him
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Aug 30, 2017 17:29
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Robert Griffin and Heath Shuler are the obvious frontrunners for the Skins, but they don't hold the place in my heart like Laron Landry. God, what a specimen. You saw the ability every Sunday. The straight line speed when chased down receivers that got behind him in coverage. The sheer force his tree trunk thighs exerted as he changed direction to recover from a poor angles of pursuit. The broad, strong shoulders when he attempted a high, poorly formed tackles. And the Menace as he flexed his unholy biceps to celebrate laying the hard loving wood on ball carriers after they picked up a first down. Too bad he was a subpar football player.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:33
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It's probably Enis for the Bears, although Kevin White is on track to be even worse! Plenty of non top 10 first rounders who sucked (Michael Haynes) but really a blown top 5 pick like Enis is amazing. And some guys in the 70s and before when absolutely no one knew how to draft - they took a RB named Joe Moore who had under 300 yards in his career. That's terrible. But again, pre 80s shouldn't even count because you had poo poo like what the saints did and like 15 rounds
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