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What are your thoughts on ancient history?
WHO THE HELL CARES OP
I like history
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That Robot
Sep 16, 2004

ask me anything about robots
Buglord
This thread matches the category cos this is definitely in classical studies territory.

The Roman Empire had several emperors during its existence, including some shrimpy nerd-looking guys.

For instance, here is Elagabalus, who reigned for four years before killed by his own boyguards because lol:



Look at this guy, who if he lived in our age would be playing with Warhammer figurines or something relatively nerdy and normal.

Actually wait I lied he was part of a cult and did poo poo like this:

Wikipedia nerds posted:

He aroused further discontent when he married the Vestal Virgin Aquilia Severa, claiming the marriage would produce "godlike children". This was a flagrant breach of Roman law and tradition, which held that any Vestal found to have engaged in sexual intercourse was to be buried alive.

...

In order to become the high priest of his new religion, Elagabalus had himself circumcised. He forced senators to watch while he danced around the altar of Deus Sol Invictus to the accompaniment of drums and cymbals. Each summer solstice he held a festival dedicated to the god, which became popular with the masses because of the free food distributed on these occasions. During this festival, Elagabalus placed the Emesa stone on a chariot adorned with gold and jewels, which he paraded through the city:

ancient nerds posted:

A six horse chariot carried the divinity, the horses huge and flawlessly white, with expensive gold fittings and rich ornaments. No one held the reins, and no one rode in the chariot; the vehicle was escorted as if the god himself were the charioteer. Elagabalus ran backward in front of the chariot, facing the god and holding the horses' reins. He made the whole journey in this reverse fashion, looking up into the face of his god.

The most sacred relics from the Roman religion were transferred from their respective shrines to the Elagabalium, including the emblem of the Great Mother, the fire of Vesta, the Shields of the Salii, and the Palladium, so that no other god could be worshipped except in association with Elagabal.

I'm not even getting into the sexuality section of the article.

Let's talked about people misbehaving and/or having nice meltdowns in antiquity.

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Nooner
Mar 26, 2011

AN A+ OPSTER (:
romans were into boy loving a lot so i bet theywould have made great mods. also the last romans got rekt by the muslims which is kinda like we the rest of the western society are getting rekt now lol poo poo

Mr.Tophat
Apr 7, 2007

You clearly don't understand joke development :justpost:
Canti Busti Krusti

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Mr.Tophat posted:

Canti Busti Krusti
busty krusty?

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.
didn't read op, voted goku

Blurry Gray Thing
Jun 3, 2009
Look man, unless you can prove this emperor was buried with a katana, or at the very least an authentic far-east scimitar made of true Damascus, I question this Chad's nerd cred.

Because it sounds a whole lot like he married a virgin Stacy who was after his awesome genes.

Mr.Tophat
Apr 7, 2007

You clearly don't understand joke development :justpost:

a hole-y ghost posted:

busty krusty?

moderators non carborundum

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch

Nooner posted:

romans were into boy loving a lot so i bet theywould have made great mods. also the last romans got rekt by the muslims which is kinda like we the rest of the western society are getting rekt now lol poo poo

:drat:

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum

Nooner posted:

romans were into boy loving a lot so i bet theywould have made great mods. also the last romans got rekt by the muslims which is kinda like we the rest of the western society are getting rekt now lol poo poo

sounds about right

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib

quote:

The Augustan History claims that he also married a man named Zoticus, an athlete from Smyrna, in a public ceremony at Rome.[51] Cassius Dio reported that Elagabalus would paint his eyes, epilate his body hair and wear wigs before prostituting himself in taverns, brothels,[52] and even in the imperial palace:

Finally, he set aside a room in the palace and there committed his indecencies, always standing nude at the door of the room, as the harlots do, and shaking the curtain which hung from gold rings, while in a soft and melting voice he solicited the passers-by. There were, of course, men who had been specially instructed to play their part. For, as in other matters, so in this business, too, he had numerous agents who sought out those who could best please him by their foulness. He would collect money from his patrons and give himself airs over his gains; he would also dispute with his associates in this shameful occupation, claiming that he had more lovers than they and took in more money.[53]

Herodian commented that Elagabalus enhanced his natural good looks by the regular application of cosmetics.[45] He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia.[39]

this is some good poo poo op thanks.

Incitatus
Dec 16, 2005

The Meat Man was out of wings, Mr. William Ash More!:argh:

a hole-y ghost posted:

busty krusty?

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Every time I find the Ancient Romans cool I just remember that they were ultimately just Italians and go on with my day.

house of the dad
Jul 4, 2005

I often wonder how much history is accurate and how much of it is poo poo talking someone wrote down to ruin somebody else's reputation in the future. Some guy is going to write that I'm a fat gay nerd but they might write some false things too

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

Terrific Accident posted:

I often wonder how much history is accurate and how much of it is poo poo talking someone wrote down to ruin somebody else's reputation in the future.

This is in fact a well-known problem in historiography. For example among the Roman emperors there were a number who have variously depraved reputations but the sources we have for those reputations are almost always dated to after that emperor's death, and frequently written by people who may have been trying to distance themselves from the old boss. Determining the accuracy of those sources is not exactly trivial. (Even the most exaggerated shitwriting, however, is useful in that it teaches us something about the society and culture the writer existed in; if a writer dwells at some length about how bad the old emperor was for doing X, we can conclude that doing X was considered a very bad and scandalous thing, and so forth.)

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Terrific Accident posted:

I often wonder how much history is accurate and how much of it is poo poo talking someone wrote down to ruin somebody else's reputation in the future. Some guy is going to write that I'm a fat gay nerd but they might write some false things too

I forget who it was but she was absolutely piliaried by historians.

The best quote was something along the line of her "going out all dolled up and ready for incest."

Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

That Robot posted:

This thread matches the category cos this is definitely in classical studies territory.

The Roman Empire had several emperors during its existence, including some shrimpy nerd-looking guys.

For instance, here is Elagabalus, who reigned for four years before killed by his own boyguards because lol:


they killed him for being Young, Wild, & Free

Tinfoil Papercut
Jul 27, 2016

by Athanatos
Caligula was pretty funny, imo

quote:

Caligula considered Chaerea effeminate because of a weak voice and for not being firm with tax collection. Caligula would mock Chaerea with names like "Priapus" and "Venus".

quote:

Once, at some games at which he was presiding, he ordered his guards to throw an entire section of the audience into the arena during the intermission to be eaten by the wild beasts because there were no prisoners to be used and he was bored

quote:

They state he sent troops on illogical military exercises, turned the palace into a brothel, and, most famously, planned or promised to make his horse, Incitatus, a consul, and actually appointed him a priest.

:allears:

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Tinfoil Papercut posted:

Caligula was pretty funny, imo

The first one is even funnier because Chaerea was the guy who eventually murdered him

Tinfoil Papercut
Jul 27, 2016

by Athanatos

skasion posted:

The first one is even funnier because Chaerea was the guy who eventually murdered him

"lol you even stab like a fruit! Hahahaha hahaha *blood gurgling*"

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


'ey, lick a ball, us?

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Terrific Accident posted:

I often wonder how much history is accurate and how much of it is poo poo talking someone wrote down to ruin somebody else's reputation in the future. Some guy is going to write that I'm a fat gay nerd but they might write some false things too

Yeah, that's the tough part about ancient history.

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

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Grimey Drawer
Nero was supposedly a really good caesar but they villified him long after the end of his reign.

Tinfoil Papercut
Jul 27, 2016

by Athanatos
What if Caligula was really just a cool guy who liked his women and his pranks?

Then some effeminate voiced senators come along and get all butthurt about his good looks and sexual conquests, kill him, and then write that he was some incest-loving bloodthirsty murder demon.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
I think my favorite Caligula story from High School History Class was how he made it law that all his many statues had to be wearing the same outfits he was, and would run around town quick-changing, trying to trick the people in charge of the statues into breaking the law.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
The nerdiest emperor was probably Julian. He was basically under house arrest for his entire youth because his uncle Constantius had murdered most of their other relatives and didn't trust him. So he had no friends except his tutors and studied really hard and became an edgy philosophy major and grew a really ugly neck beard. Then all of Constantius' remaining relatives died (because Constantius killed them basically) and he decided he needed Julian to take care of France while he did the ruling elsewhere. Eventually Constantius died and Julian set about trying to recreate the glory of Rome like he had read about it in the history books. This meant being a pagan civil leader who was first among the equals of the aristocracy and left administration to local government instead of a Christian absolutist warlord with a giant bureaucracy. Nobody liked it.

He moved to Antioch to try and fix poo poo up there, but the locals thought he was an undignified douche with lovely facial hair, so he wrote a very sarcastic book called "The Beard Hater" about how everyone who didn't like him was just superficial and couldn't see that he was really a nice guy deep down. He then invaded Iraq, hosed it up and got killed, possibly without ever having had sex.

That Robot
Sep 16, 2004

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Buglord

Neurosis posted:

this is some good poo poo op thanks.

lol yeah you're welcome

it was like 3am so I knew I wouldn't handle the section about what gave nerd emperor elagabalus an ancient roman boner

but you guys can do it better

this guy did some funny hosed up poo poo with his imperial dong

That Robot fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Aug 30, 2017

Tricky D
Apr 1, 2005

I love um!

skasion posted:

The nerdiest emperor was probably Julian. He was basically under house arrest for his entire youth because his uncle Constantius had murdered most of their other relatives and didn't trust him. So he had no friends except his tutors and studied really hard and became an edgy philosophy major and grew a really ugly neck beard. Then all of Constantius' remaining relatives died (because Constantius killed them basically) and he decided he needed Julian to take care of France while he did the ruling elsewhere. Eventually Constantius died and Julian set about trying to recreate the glory of Rome like he had read about it in the history books. This meant being a pagan civil leader who was first among the equals of the aristocracy and left administration to local government instead of a Christian absolutist warlord with a giant bureaucracy. Nobody liked it.

He moved to Antioch to try and fix poo poo up there, but the locals thought he was an undignified douche with lovely facial hair, so he wrote a very sarcastic book called "The Beard Hater" about how everyone who didn't like him was just superficial and couldn't see that he was really a nice guy deep down. He then invaded Iraq, hosed it up and got killed, possibly without ever having had sex.

"gently caress you dad! I'm worshipping the gods of our ancestors."

Harveygod
Jan 4, 2014

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YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW
The Empernerd.

Kromlech
Jun 28, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Came for a thread about lowtax but this is good too.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

skasion posted:

The nerdiest emperor was probably Julian. He was basically under house arrest for his entire youth because his uncle Constantius had murdered most of their other relatives and didn't trust him. So he had no friends except his tutors and studied really hard and became an edgy philosophy major and grew a really ugly neck beard. Then all of Constantius' remaining relatives died (because Constantius killed them basically) and he decided he needed Julian to take care of France while he did the ruling elsewhere. Eventually Constantius died and Julian set about trying to recreate the glory of Rome like he had read about it in the history books. This meant being a pagan civil leader who was first among the equals of the aristocracy and left administration to local government instead of a Christian absolutist warlord with a giant bureaucracy. Nobody liked it.

He moved to Antioch to try and fix poo poo up there, but the locals thought he was an undignified douche with lovely facial hair, so he wrote a very sarcastic book called "The Beard Hater" about how everyone who didn't like him was just superficial and couldn't see that he was really a nice guy deep down. He then invaded Iraq, hosed it up and got killed, possibly without ever having had sex.

Notch fanfiction

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Biggus... Dickus??

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

That Robot
Sep 16, 2004

ask me anything about robots
Buglord
im glad ppl liked this thread

i can make a bunch of threads about history and hosed up stuff in antiquity if folks would be interested

myDad
Jan 20, 2010

ce n'est pas ma mère
College Slice

That Robot posted:

im glad ppl liked this thread

i can make a bunch of threads about history and hosed up stuff in antiquity if folks would be interested

ya

Trump.mp4
Feb 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

That Robot posted:

For instance, here is Elagabalus, who reigned for four years before killed by his own boyguards because lol:



lol look at that little poo poo what took them so long?

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

Call me the TURD emporer because I be reignin out that rear end

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Trump.mp4 posted:

lol look at that little poo poo what took them so long?

His grandmother, Julia Maesa, was a pretty tough motherfucker who came up with the idea of putting him on the throne to begin with, and put the guards up to killing him (and his mom) in favor of her other grandson Alexander Severus.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.
mods plz namechange to Flawlessly White

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

I know Augustus was probably poisoned/killed by his loving wife because they were like a Roman House of Cards Kevin spacey style power couple

Octavius / Caesar Augustus is Kevin spacey in my mind

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skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

I know Augustus was probably poisoned/killed by his loving wife because they were like a Roman House of Cards Kevin spacey style power couple

Octavius / Caesar Augustus is Kevin spacey in my mind

This is probably a case of bullshit gossip getting passed down from antiquity as if it were real. It's possible that she did intrigue against some members of the family and she certainly was rumored to have poisoned people, but a lot of that could have been just malicious talk and it's extremely difficult for me to see what she would have gained by poisoning Augustus specifically: they had been married for 50 years (it was a love match also, not arranged), during which time they had consistently had a strong working relationship despite a consistent failure to produce an heir of his body, and Augustus was old and had never been in robust health to begin with.

I do love Sian Phillips' Livia in I Claudius though, it's a great performance. If you want to see Livia that way you should check it out, great piece of TV.

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