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Didn't Xabi skip a game because his wife had a baby and Rafa got pissed at him? I seemed to remember something like that having a big impact on their relationship
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he said that bit about the kid recently; if I remember right at the time Rafa was on about wanting more homegrown players as he'd had to leave hyypia out of a CL squad because he didn't have enough homegrown guys now, an interesting followup to that is why he didn't sell off a bad foreign player, instead of the best foreign player, but these are questions man is not meant to ask
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Sep 22, 2017 16:48
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:Didn't Xabi skip a game because his wife had a baby and Rafa got pissed at him? I seemed to remember something like that having a big impact on their relationship I thought that was Torres? Was it both?
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Sep 22, 2017 17:07
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bewbies posted:now, an interesting followup to that is why he didn't sell off a bad foreign player, instead of the best foreign player, but these are questions man is not meant to ask You can understand his thinking but it was still insane. Gareth Barry wasn't fit to tie Alonso's shoelaces.
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Sep 22, 2017 19:56
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Xabi posted:He had to sell to be able to buy and you tend not to get much for a bad foreign player. how many titles did alonso win?
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Sep 22, 2017 20:21
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:how many titles did alonso win? four and some international stuff and champions leagues and domestic cups and poo poo gareth barry won the intertoto cup though, xabi alonso didn't get that poo poo
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Spangly A posted:four and some international stuff and champions leagues and domestic cups and poo poo fraud detected imo.
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Sep 22, 2017 21:17
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Rafa probably wanted to signed Gareth Barry because he's a really good footballer who went to play at the heart of a Premier League winning team instead. Talking about him as if he's some shitclogger is idiotic. Players that reliably hold the ball and recycle possession are stupidly underrated in this country by everyone except the good managers who win things. Admittedly he's not Xabi Alonso though.
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Sep 22, 2017 21:36
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Yeah but having neither is worse.
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peanut- posted:Rafa probably wanted to signed Gareth Barry because he's a really good footballer who went to play at the heart of a Premier League winning team instead. Talking about him as if he's some shitclogger is idiotic. Players that reliably hold the ball and recycle possession are stupidly underrated in this country by everyone except the good managers who win things. Counterpoint. I could have played midfield in that City team and they still would have won the league.
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Sep 22, 2017 22:15
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Basically, being a manager is a land of contrasts.
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Sep 22, 2017 22:16
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Good news, Livernerds, Matip might be fit to play v Lester. Bad news, though, Lovren may be too. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/jurgen-klopp-hopes-joel-matip-and-dejan-lovren-are-fit-to-return-gqjx8qr9r
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Sep 23, 2017 04:17
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r.y.f.s.o. posted:Good news, Livernerds, Matip might be fit to play v Lester. Lovren was good last season. He's certainly a lot better than Klavan, despite his propensity for stupidity.
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Sep 23, 2017 04:43
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Ewar Woowar posted:Lovren was good last season. He's certainly a lot better than Klavan, despite his propensity for stupidity.
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Sep 23, 2017 04:52
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Ewar Woowar posted:Lovren was good last season. He's certainly a lot better than Klavan, despite his propensity for stupidity. Yeah I know, I'm just being cheeky. The short memory and binary mood extremes of fans drives me loving mental. Anyway, our defense isn't being done any favors by lack of a defensive mid and Klopp's press is basically asking for trouble without one, or at least without a super boss backline. I'm still of the opinion that Liverpool is still fun and cool and good and Klopp's a great coach. I will now imagine Blue Footed Boobie's response to my opinion: blue footed boobie posted:Disagree / Fail and poo poo / Liverpoo
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cheese posted:Lovren was solid, at times. I think "good" is a stretch. Hes not good if your goal is plausible title challenge and being competitive in the CL.
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cheese posted:Lovren was solid, at times. I think "good" is a stretch. Hes not good if your goal is plausible title challenge and being competitive in the CL. Nah, he was actually good last season. Our problems was when one of him or Matip were out. This season though he's regressed to his debut season and looks awful. I'm more confident he'll regain form than Klavan suddenly becoming good though. I actually missed the cup game midweek, how did Gomez look in the middle?
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Lovren and Matip are a pretty decent partnership IIRC but Lovren's only been fit enough to start like 19 games under Klopp. It's madness.
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Gomez was actually really good, wouldn't be surprised if it's him and Matip today. He's just so fuckin young that you can't have him play an extended run because there will be inevitable gently caress ups In terms of pure ability I'd be happy with TAA, Matip, Gomez and Robertson as a back four for a couple of games but the most senior of that four has only been at the club for a year so it's easy to see there being a lack of leadership there. Then again there's a lack of leadership anyway so maybe gently caress it? Idk. Having two u21s and a brand new signing in the back four seems like a gamble but then every back four we play is a gamble. At least with that you get TAA's corners and Robertson's crosses 😍
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chuggo is BACK posted:In terms of pure ability I'd be happy with TAA, Matip, Gomez and Robertson as a back four for a couple of games but the most senior of that four has only been at the club for a year so it's easy to see there being a lack of leadership there. Klopp should give them a couple run outs in the Leage Cup, kind of see how it goes. Oh-
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Sep 23, 2017 13:33
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PirateBob posted:How are the chels able to get £53m for Diego Costa at this point Hes a really good striker and money means nothing anymore?
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peanut- posted:Rafa probably wanted to signed Gareth Barry because he's a really good footballer who went to play at the heart of a Premier League winning team instead. Talking about him as if he's some shitclogger is idiotic. Players that reliably hold the ball and recycle possession are stupidly underrated in this country by everyone except the good managers who win things. It's funny how Ox is clearly a bad player because he can't do anything except run fast, whereas Barry gets shat on too even though he's a perfectly good all round player who just can't run faster than walking pace. I think his stock dropped the most when Ozil totally skinned him at the World Cup though.
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Alonso in the prior season, by his own admission, had not been his best. Then with extremely bad owners, Rafa needed to sell in order to buy, Barry was versatile (CM or LB), consistent and homegrown. I'm as big a Xabi fan as anyone else but given the situation, can see why Rafa did what he did. Just a shame he ended up burning that bridge, Alonso left for Madrid anyway and Liverpool ended up with Aquilani instead. Seriously, gently caress H&G forever.
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Scikar posted:It's funny how Ox is clearly a bad player because he can't do anything except run fast, whereas Barry gets shat on too even though he's a perfectly good all round player who just can't run faster than walking pace. I think his stock dropped the most when Ozil totally skinned him at the World Cup though. Sorry, I've done some detailed research at everycuntatanenglandgameever.co.uk and it turns out that a central midfielder should always be charging forward, doing half-volleys, and getting caught out of position. Defending or distributing the ball is something that fat children do because they're clearly bad at the game.
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"Man United want to identify fans who sung Lukaku song at Southampton Manchester United have accused supporters who continued to sing a controversial chant about Romelu Lukaku at Southampton of "disrespecting the player's wishes." The club have asked for CCTV footage of the away end at St Mary's to help identify the fans who sang the song, which has been condemned by anti-discrimination group Kick It Out, during the 1-0 win. A United spokesman said: "Manchester United has a zero tolerance stance on offensive chanting and behaviour. "The club and player have been clear in asking for an end to the chant. "The club has worked with relevant bodies and supporters groups in trying to eradicate any offensive behaviour and will take further action against individuals if this continues. "The club is in discussion with the police and has asked for CCTV footage from Southampton and will try to identify those who disrespected the player's wishes not to sing the song." Yeah... identify all of them.  It was pretty loving loud.
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Sep 23, 2017 23:10
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I haven't missed Roy Hodgson and just hearing his post-match interview annoyed me.
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PirateBob posted:"Man United want to identify fans who sung Lukaku song at Southampton There is no place at Manchester United for people with large genitalia. 
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That was a pretty frustrating game to watch. - Anthony Taylor is an awful ref. Both goals shouldn't have counted and there should have been a penalty for the ridiculous holding/pushing on Lovren. I'm not sure if that was a penalty either as Migs did get the ball first. There were also some clear yellow cards Leicester got away with too. - I thought Moreno had a surprisingly solid game. Gomez and Lovren were clearly shaky but Matip and Moreno were decent. Migs was a mixed bag but nice to see him save another penalty. - Salah did what he does; miss an open goal and then score a great goal. Thought Chilwell did a pretty good job on him though, especially in the second half. Can see why we were interested in him. He's quick, tenacious and good defensively as well as going forward. - Harry Maguire looks quality. He's a big lad but quick and comfortable with the ball at his feet. - Our midfield is so inconsistent. Henderson had a solid game but Wijnuldum drifts in and out far too much for a centre mid and Can goes from sublime to ridiculous in seconds.
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Ewar Woowar posted:That was a pretty frustrating game to watch... I don't get Wijnaldum. He clearly has ability, but every touch of his where he was under pressure for the first... three quarters of the match, he got clowned, and then a couple moments in late game he looked like he did against Arsenal, dancing around defenders and looking confident. It's very frustrating. Lallana can't come back soon enough.
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Wijnaldum has not clicked at all this year, but he was our best midfielder for large parts of last year. His regression is mystifying and annoying
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tarbrush posted:Wijnaldum has not clicked at all this year, but he was our best midfielder for large parts of last year. His regression is mystifying and annoying Could be the recent baby.
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Can looks really good imo. Shame they're gonna lose him on a free Think Barca will be back in for Coutinho?
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Can looks really good imo. Shame they're gonna lose him on a free Can can be good but he's loving useless defensively (he was arguably at fault for a bunch of goals recently because he has no desire to get back and tackle). If we can get him to sign a contract with a decent release clause rather than letting him go on a free I wouldn't be too annoyed. Probably be world class in three years though. The word from Barcelona that this was the only time they'd be in for Coutinho. I'm not convinced that's entirely true (especially if he continues to improve this season) but we'll at least have a year to prepare for his potential departure.
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Sep 24, 2017 13:08
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Sep 24, 2017 13:10
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sassassin posted:Paul Clement is "two games from the sack". sacking people quickly worked really good last season, keep going for it imo
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Sep 24, 2017 13:29
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Haha aye right. Barca are going to be back for him next year. That whole "This is your only chance" poo poo was to get him to throw a hissy fit so he would be sold this window.
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:sacking people quickly worked really good last season, keep going for it imo He's the most negative manager I've seen at this club. Has no idea what he's doing to set the team up to go forward. Good on him for fixing Bradley's mess but he's gone way too far with it. Him, Makelele and Nigel Gibbs all went mental when Mesa gave the ball away leading to Watford's winner yesterday, and there were a lot of "I told you so's" thrown around apparently. But he made such a difference in actually getting the ball through midfield compared to Clucas who just hides from it and forces the centrebacks to knock it long. Plus Mawson hosed up an easy tackle to stop the attack. Ginger donkey believes his own hype, almost every Watford chance came from one of his gently caress ups. We'll go five at the back with Clucas anchoring the midfield against loving West Ham and Huddersfield. If we'd stuck with Guidolin things would be better.
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sassassin posted:He's the most negative manager I've seen at this club. Has no idea what he's doing to set the team up to go forward. Good on him for fixing Bradley's mess but he's gone way too far with it. time to bring in frank de boer
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