cheese-cube posted:

I guess Alastair MacGibbon doesn't watch the footy because he's busy poo poo-posting on Twitter attempting to defend data retention:

https://twitter.com/macgibbon/status/914000671677988865

TheIllestVillain posted:

which state cause this sounds like every suburb named richmond

Sparticle posted:

*throws bananas at indigenous players*

Recoome posted:

Conservatives like to fashion themselves as much tougher than then average lefty but this whole campaign has shown that it is in fact the conservatives who are a bunch of snowflakes who melt under amy form of resistance

rumble in the bunghole posted:

Anyone else going to the YES rally in Melbourne? Starts at 1. I'll be the bald guy with a purple hoody.

quote:

Queensland's first premier in 1859 was most likely gay


Queensland’s first premier, Robert Herbert, was most likely gay and his constant companion, John Bramston, became Queensland’s first-ever Attorney-General.
Herbert lived with Bramston in a Brisbane home and farm they named “Herston” by blending their surnames.
The home and the land around it became the site of Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital, directly across Bowen Bridge Road from the Royal National Association Showgrounds.

Herbert was appointed premier by Queensland governor Sir George Bowen in 1859. He served until 1866, when he returned to England, where he was knighted.
He never married.
Bramston accompanied Sir George to Brisbane from London as his private secretary, most likely in 1859. The Colony of Queensland was declared in 1859.
The story of the friendship of the “bachelor couple” - Herbert and Bramston - is the subject of the latest Brisbane's Little Histories report, from Department of State Development historian Dr Harold Thornton.
Each explores life around Queen's Wharf in Brisbane’s earliest days.
Queen's Wharf is the large block of land between George and William streets opposite South Bank Parklands, where the city’s new casino and integrated resort will be built over the next five years.
As Dr Thornton writes, the well-educated Herbert and Bramston could be considered the “midwives at the birth of Queensland”.
“As Sherlock Holmes and John Watson could attest, ostensibly celibate male friends could spend a great deal of time in each other’s company without attracting any social or legal attention,” he writes.
“Thus it was that (England's) Colonial Office in 1858 dispatched to the about-to-be new Colony of Queensland one of its most trusted officials, Eton and Oxford-educated Robert Herbert as Secretary to the inaugural Governor, Sir George Bowen.”

“Herbert stood unopposed for the Legislative Assembly seat of West Moreton at the 1859 inaugural Queensland election. He continued as premier until resigning to return to England in 1866. He went on to a series of promotions until being appointed to head the Colonial Office as Permanent Under-Secretary of State for Colonies in 1871.
“He was richly decorated by a grateful Crown, becoming the Chancellor of the Order of the Bath. Sir Robert Herbert, GCB, died in 1905 and was buried at Ickleton in Cambridgeshire."
His constant companion was “confirmed bachelor” John Bramston, who finished his bar credentials in Brisbane.
“Herbert advised Bowen to appoint Bramston as a Member of the Legislative Council of Queensland – a lifetime appointment,” Dr Thornton said.
“Bramston was commissioned to various ministerial portfolios during Herbert’s tenure as Premier, including Attorney-General.
“Although Bramston returned to England with Herbert in 1866, the couple parted ways in 1868 when Bramston returned to Brisbane and resumed his seat in the Legislative Council.
“He was elected to the Legislative Assembly for Burnett at a byelection in 1871 and served as minister in the Palmer government until 1874.
“During this second Brisbane tenure Bramston married Eliza Russell, niece by marriage of Governor Phipps, at St John’s Anglican Cathedral.
“The couple soon thereafter departed Queensland and never had children.”
John Bramston returned to Hong Kong, then to London in 1876 to eventually take charge of England’s Colonial Office after Robert Herbert died.
He died in 1921 as Sir John Bramston.

As Dr Thornton notes: “It is, of course, possible that Herbert and Bramston’s relationship was not sexual.
“Such matters were not discussed in polite circles in those times. The intimacy of their residential relations was likely the subject of scuttlebutt, but none of it is recorded.
“The seriousness with which the law of the time viewed male homosexual acts paradoxically served to protect gay men from public accusations, since without strong evidence such an imputation could itself be viewed as criminally defamatory.

“Although in 1859 it was absolutely necessary for gay male couples to pretend to be celibate if they were to live together, 158 years later Queensland can unambiguously celebrate the relationship that brought this talented couple to disembark at Queen’s Wharf and help found the state."
The suggestion Robert Herbert may have been gay has been made before, in a stage play in Brisbane in 2009.
Homosexuality remained illegal in Queensland until 1990.
This is the latest in a series of weekly "little Brisbane histories" to be run by Fairfax Media as the Queen's Wharf development evolves.

Gorilla Salad posted:

Are you taking into account daylight savings?

rumble in the bunghole posted:

Anyone else going to the YES rally in Melbourne? Starts at 1. I'll be the bald guy with a purple hoody.

Anidav posted:

War criminal and former prime minister posted:

 If a Yes vote is recorded there will be overwhelming pressure to “move on”, legislate as quickly as possible, and then put that issue behind Parliament. There will be scant opportunity for serious consideration of protections in the areas I have cited. Very likely, those raising such matters will be met with achorus of put-downs, and accused of attempting to frustrate the verdict of the people.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Turnbull is dare I say it, a cuck.

Recoome posted:

Conservatives like to fashion themselves as much tougher than then average lefty but this whole campaign has shown that it is in fact the conservatives who are a bunch of snowflakes who melt under amy form of resistance

You Am I posted:

Queensland keeps truckin' on with its worst state title

MikeJF posted:

Not really surprising, it was always just a honeymoon until the Murdoch press finished spinning up the machine against them, and Queenslanders are particularly susceptible to that bullshit. No Labor can hold there long any more in the current media system, I reckon.

Zenithe posted:

QLDers are dumb, no doubt, but Labor have been so poo poo here that it's hardly surprising a lot of people are looking elsewhere. A more sensible state probably would have swung somewhere other than PHON though.

Anidav posted:

Can't get a better photo but John Howard is buying newspaper ads and letterbox dropping personal letters saying that voting yes is voting for the racial discrimination act. And uh religion needs to be free ad letting the gays win means that Andrew Bolt and the QUT cases were correct