Bonfire of the Genres: Critical Looks Sci-Fi and Fantasy

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Drone Jett: Feb 21, 2017; by Fluffdaddy; College Slice

Srice posted:

If the argument you're making is he deserves a fair trial then, hell, I agree.

He should publish If I Deserved It.

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Zoracle Zed: Jul 10, 2001

pictured: a Brandon Sanderson fan reporting a botl post:

# ? Mar 14, 2019 12:37

Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Drone Jett posted:

Mate

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A human heart: Oct 10, 2012

Drone Jett posted:

People defend OJ Simpson, 21st century white people edition.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 12:41

Relevant Tangent: Nov 18, 2016; Tangentially Relevant

Srice posted:

If the argument you're making is he deserves a fair trial then, hell, I agree.

his trial was 'can BOTL only be an rear end in a top hat in his containment thread' and the verdict was NO

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The DPRK: Nov 18, 2006; Lipstick Apathy

What is BOTL?

# ? Mar 14, 2019 14:31

Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

BotL presented a unique moderation problem because he made legitimately insightful effortposts, but also shamelessly trolled all over the forums. I'm sad to see him banned, but I'm not surprised, and I can't really fault the mods for their decision.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 14:31

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

I miss his Clevin edits in the Kill 6 Billion Demons thread, even though I have never read Strong Female Protagonist and so have no idea who Clevin is.

Of course some goons hate fun and so banned him from BSS vOv

# ? Mar 14, 2019 14:45

Hieronymous Alloy: Jan 30, 2009; Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!; Morbid Hound

The DPRK posted:

What is BOTL?

https://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php?act=3&topicid=2800

# ? Mar 14, 2019 14:50

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

Drone Jett posted:

when Lowtax passes on the forum to a revitalized LF you will be first against the wall

# ? Mar 14, 2019 14:52

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php?act=3&topicid=2800

I want to point out that is objectively one of the funniest posts I have ever read

# ? Mar 14, 2019 14:57

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Do you have a beard Mel?

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:02

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Of course

Mostly because I have taken to shaving my head and dont want to completely hide that I am a ginger

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:04

Blood Boils: Dec 27, 2006; Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php?act=3&topicid=2800

A fitting epitaph. For the record, I generally think the admins+mods do a great and obviously thankless job volunteering to keep the peace among goons.

But this peace, it shall destroy many

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:15

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

The tree of shitposting must occasionally be refreshed from time to time with the blood of gimmick accounts

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:18

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

I've said it before but I want to say that I genuinely hold no grudge against Hieronymous or the forums, I just notice he has been uptight recently and I have a bad puckish habit of wanting to antagonize people when they are uptight

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:22

Thranguy: Apr 21, 2010; Deceitful and black-hearted, perhaps we are. But we would never go against the Code. Well, perhaps for good reasons. But mostly never.

The DPRK posted:

What is BOTL?

A miserable pile of shitposts.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:25

Lex Neville: Apr 15, 2009

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I've said it before but I want to say that I genuinely hold no grudge against Hieronymous or the forums, I just notice he has been uptight recently and I have a bad puckish habit of wanting to antagonize people when they are uptight

lol

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:26

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

I just read the words "inclined ramp" in a Culture book and it triggered me. is there such a thing as a non-inclined ramp, does Banks think we will confuse it with a vegetable?

I like Culture in general but Banks uses too many words. does this carry over to his non-sf fiction? can you tell they're written by the same guy?

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:27

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Taiwan group chat got into a heated conversation about whether or not magic in Harry Potter was a good metaphor for capitalism as a result of the banning, so good job trolling from beyond the grave Bravest.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:28

Hieronymous Alloy: Jan 30, 2009; Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!; Morbid Hound

my bony fealty posted:

I just read the words "inclined ramp" in a Culture book and it triggered me. is there such a thing as a non-inclined ramp, does Banks think we will confuse it with a vegetable?

I like Culture in general but Banks uses too many words. does this carry over to his non-sf fiction? can you tell they're written by the same guy?

Theoretically I guess you could have a non-inclined ramp in a zero-g space. OTOH even an incline of zero degrees is, technically, an incline. All surfaces are inclined.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:28

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Lex Neville posted:

lol

On occasion I have to be nice to Hieronymous because he is probably the best mod we could have other than chernobyl and they won't let him be mod

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:31

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Theoretically I guess you could have a non-inclined ramp in a zero-g space. OTOH even an incline of zero degrees is, technically, an incline. All surfaces are inclined.

the word inclined has now appeared three times on this page, twice as "inclined plane" and once as "inclined ramp" so I'm thinkin he really just loves that word

In total this two-page scene uses "inclined plane" four times, "inclined ramp" once, and "slope" twice. this angled surface must be very important

my bony fealty fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Mar 14, 2019

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Hieronymous Alloy: Jan 30, 2009; Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!; Morbid Hound

my bony fealty posted:

the word inclined has now appeared three times on this page, twice as "inclined plane" and once as "inclined ramp" so I'm thinkin he really just loves that word

Sounds like he has an . . . inclination :finger guns:

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:33

Lex Neville: Apr 15, 2009

Mel Mudkiper posted:

On occasion I have to be nice to Hieronymous because he is probably the best mod we could have other than chernobyl and they won't let him be mod

no I meant that you're the most uptight of all of us brother

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:36

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Lex Neville posted:

no I meant that you're the most uptight of all of us brother

I am also an enormous hypocrit

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pseudanonymous: Aug 30, 2008; When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

my bony fealty posted:

I just read the words "inclined ramp" in a Culture book and it triggered me. is there such a thing as a non-inclined ramp, does Banks think we will confuse it with a vegetable?

I like Culture in general but Banks uses too many words. does this carry over to his non-sf fiction? can you tell they're written by the same guy?

You cannot tell because Ian Banks wrote fiction and Ian M. Banks wrote sci-fi.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:54

pseudanonymous: Aug 30, 2008; When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I am also an enormous hypocrit

Literally, who isn't? Hypocrisy is such a basic human trait it's stupid we even talk about it. Without hypocrisy, there is no aspiration nor drive to better ourselves.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:56

Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

pseudanonymous posted:

Literally, who isn't?

It's like racism. Probably almost everyone is at least a little bit racist subconsciously, but when we say "wow that dude's racist" we're talking about a particularly blatant example.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:58

McCloud: Oct 27, 2005

Hey, I offer here the final message from Bravest of the Lamps:

quote:

Comrade goons,

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This period, barring an unlikely change of heart from the admin team, is over. This is obviously an immense loss for everyone, but I cannot say that I will regret it too much. When I found myself behind a paywall, unable to see why exactly I was banned, I felt liberated instead of aggrieved. Like Adam and Eve cast out of Eden, the world has opened for me to take my �solitary way� through it.

While I have enjoyed SA, posting became in itself an obligation. Checking on the forums was such a ubiquitous waste of time that it became instinctive whenever I was idly waiting for anything. When I now browse on the phone, I physically feel the confusion of not being able to log in. Yet I also never have to post another webcomic or meandering essay there ever again.

I suppose I have more time for books now.

I am probably not entirely done with SA, but if I rereg (or have I already???), it�s only for the purpose of lurking. I have no desire to be anyone else on the site. The Lamp is dead � bury it.

So to everyone on SA, thanks for making posting here an experience. There are other worlds. This one is done with me. Though I suppose you can always hit me up on Discord.

And remember,

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Truly he was too good for us

# ? Mar 14, 2019 16:13

pseudanonymous: Aug 30, 2008; When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Cicero posted:

It's like racism. Probably almost everyone is at least a little bit racist subconsciously, but when we say "wow that dude's racist" we're talking about a particularly blatant example.

I think this is a huge part of why racism remains an issue to this day, how we frame the issue of racism, and how many people think "being racist" is using particular slurs and nothing else. As long as they don't use those slurs (they do when they cut off in traffic or ganked in a MOBA) they "aren't racist" - racists are the members of the KKK or whatever.

If people acknowledged that being racist is part of the human condition, and it's something you have to actively stop yourself from doing, we could probably move a lot further on to "solving racism".

# ? Mar 14, 2019 16:15

chernobyl kinsman: Mar 18, 2007; a friend of the friendly atom; Soiled Meat

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php?act=3&topicid=2800

this is a masterpiece

McCloud posted:

Hey, I offer here the final message from Bravest of the Lamps:

Truly he was too good for us

# ? Mar 14, 2019 17:32

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

McCloud posted:

Hey, I offer here the final message from Bravest of the Lamps:

Truly he was too good for us

Vaguely offended by the cultish admiration line but fare thee well noble poo poo-stirrer

# ? Mar 14, 2019 18:04

Strom Cuzewon: Jul 1, 2010

McCloud posted:

Hey, I offer here the final message from Bravest of the Lamps:

Truly he was too good for us

drat, that's pretty classy.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 18:06

Flesnolk: Apr 11, 2012

Remember the time he called someone a pedo for arguing with him.

Occasionally he said something interesting but he didn�t invent effortposts.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 18:54

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

I post this in QCS but I think it deserves a brief inclusion here

Mel Mudkiper posted:

the problem with this naive assertion is that Hieronymous and other mods have commented that they receive literally dozens of reports any time anyone says anything critical in any thread. Part of the whole tongue in cheek hero worship of BotL was that he didn't give a poo poo if he got probated for it. Like, there seems to be this idea that you HAVE to be positive, and cannot express any sort of negative perspective or else its trolling.

Like, check this out.

I was a fan of a podcast, I listened to an episode and didn't like it. I wanted to ask if anyone else was having that feeling. Or at the very least, I wanted to share my perspective.

I didn't do it as trolling. I didn't do it as an insult. I couched it in literally the most benign language possible.

These were some of the responses I got

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3877580&pagenumber=25&perpage=40#post492683254

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3877580&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=24#post492662670

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3877580&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=24#post492673821

Hell, two years ago I made a genuine effort to explore stuff I was skeptical about and reached out to the Sci-Fi thread for recs. When I commented about stuff I didn't like, dudes got super mad.

I once had a dude get super pissed off because I bought a book, explicitly laid out my problem with the prose, and he called me a troll because there was no way a real person could not honestly like Gene Wolfe

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3833655&userid=183592&perpage=40&pagenumber=6#post486366044

The fact of the matter is, fanboys run rampant and frequently shut down any attempt to engage in discussion that isn't 100% positive at all times. Most of us who liked BotL were people who made genuine efforts and found themselves annoyed when people flipped out.

This is my main frustration going forward and something I would like to see this subforum and some of its posters improve on.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 18:55

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

I'm closing this since it's just posting about posters now. I'll reopen it later, in the meantime everyone can take it to QCS. If someone wants to post this thread again but without all the baggage, feel free.

Edit: To clarify, this isn't a punishment, it's just a lot easier to respond in QCS instead of the same discussion happening in parallel here

# ? Mar 14, 2019 19:03

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Thanks everyone! Please enjoy the thread.

# ? Mar 16, 2019 02:44

Milkfred E. Moore: Aug 27, 2006; 'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

FactsAreUseless posted:

Thanks everyone! Please enjoy the thread.

thread should probably be goldmined because there's a heap of interesting posts in it but also so the new thread can be something of a break from the botl bottle

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Antivehicular: Dec 30, 2011; I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Yeah, agreed. Goldmine or purgatory this one and move onto a fresh thread.

# ? Mar 16, 2019 03:36

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