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RuanGacho posted:I'm starting to wonder what it is about Seattle Mayors. Experiment: elect Kshama Sawant
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silicone thrills posted:Our general in Nov is going to have 2 Women - one very left leaning and one sort of left leaning. I'm cool with that. (Cary Moon vs Jenny Durkin) The buttload of Comcast money probably helped. 
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Sep 12, 2017 22:19
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Mr Hootington posted:White people love their beloved pedos. I know I do!
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Sep 13, 2017 01:03
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bastards boycott Motel 6 and Studio 6 if you're not already
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Sep 13, 2017 18:24
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Khisanth Magus posted:Except it is a completely empty thing they are signing on to. It has less than 0% chance of going anywhere no matter how many Democrats sign on. I'd say marginally greater than zero, but only because it's really hard to say that it's impossible Donald Trump will wake up tomorrow morning and [do thing].
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Sep 13, 2017 18:26
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Jaxyon posted:Also I'd like to add that the idea that black folks are any more homophobic than any other group is a racist myth. Some of it is also a holdover from the days when the leadership of African American political movements was disproportionately church-related. I've seen nothing I recall as particularly credible looking at how socially conservative black churches are today, but I gather that the BLM constellation and related movements are way less church-centric than some of their earlier relatives. This is all dimly remembered second-hand casual readin' from a white goon, mind.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:55
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TyrantWD posted:That time will never come. We will likely get a constitutional convention called by the GOP long before the Democrats get to 60 seats in the senate. Pretty sure you understand neither how conventions work nor how the Senate works We had a short lived supermajority in two thousand loving eight
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Sep 14, 2017 21:53
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PerniciousKnid posted:I don't see this being advantageous. After all, the filibuster just saved Obamacare. Anything they pass with 50 votes will just be repealed as soon as the Republicans get 50. The filibuster did not save the ACA. It's indirectly doing a few other things but they only needed 50 for repeal because they burned a reconciliation bill. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Dems killed the filibuster because by design it's of more value to the party with a large contingent of people who want nothing to change and it's been clear since the death of Ted Kennedy that the Senate GOP are not acting in good faith.
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TyrantWD posted:And it will never happen again in our lifetimes (short of some party realignment). The Democrats will likely pick up some seats in the house in 2018 and lose some senate seats. Even if Trump is ousted in 2020, there will likely be a Republican house and senate. We've got long lifetimes and boomers are on the way out, you're being hyperbolic or deliberately weaseling on that last clause I wouldn't bet a lot of money on 2020, but I wouldn't bet my life savings against Dem majorities in both either Haven't looked at the supermajority math but I'd think more along the lines of mid to late 20s for that if I had to guess a good shot
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Hellblazer187 posted:Let's say I was going to build a tool for this. I'm not a programmer but I've been interested in learning and I've always read the best way to learn is by making a project you're interested in. What set of technologies would I be looking at? Just out of curiousity, it's probably way too big of a project for a novice to tackle but let's say I wanted to make an interactive "Reagan was wrong" tool - what would I need to know? Absolute buttloads of data input from various formats that aren't necessarily very friendly or similar to one another Edit: slightly misunderstood, so only fairly large but manageable buttloads
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eviltastic posted:Phone posting so I don't have links handy, but you can work from IRS data and Tax Policy Center cash income and effective tax rate tables to run the numbers directly. 
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Sep 14, 2017 23:16
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PerniciousKnid posted:But they were stuck with reconciliation rules that made it more difficult to craft a passable bill. I guess that's fair. I disagree that it was enough to be a backbreaker (given how much they were trying to do) but reasonable people can disagree in the details.
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PerniciousKnid posted:I think a few Republicans actually care about tradition, to a point. Oh oops, I may have been unclear: I was talking about the filibuster nitpicky stuff. You and I may have switched positions in the last year. I am solidly in favor of doing as much as possible, and frankly am inclined to go for broke now. The Sanders proposition is heartening. I provisionally like it as a model. If the fuckers are going to burn anything we try to build, don't take the moron contingent into consideration at all.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Terrible for a Democrat is still better than any Republican in living memory There are people alive who remember Eisenhower.  edit: and depending on your definition of "better", "memory", and maybe "Republican", same for Taft or even Teddy Roosevelt
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RuanGacho posted:
until I did some cursory googling I did not realize that there were living Americans born in the Teddy Roosevelt administration
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Sep 15, 2017 05:59
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/908709196358660097 Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Honestly, it is pretty much in line with current 4th amendment law. Yeah, I'm not sure this decision is particularly crazy. I guess the next question would be, under what circumstances should open affiliation with a criminal organization be probable cause for a search? My gut suggests to me that it should be "we are investigating a particular crime believed to be committed by a member of your gang" because "you are in a criminal organization therefore you probably committed a crime at some point, let's go fishin' " makes me queasy outside of, like, a RICO or conspiracy case. although I guess gangs routinely do get nailed on conspiracy, don't they; that's an easy out that makes me less queasy even though the functional effect is very nearly the same for the unfortunate Facebooker
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Moatman posted:HE USED A loving AK I think you probably meant something like "mortified"
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Javes posted:I'm no lawyer, but I can't square the notion of a cop saying hes going to "kill this motherfucker" while also claiming to fear for his life afterwards. por que no los d- overwroughtness in the moment does not constitute sure and certain premeditation etc etc -- Okay, having skimmed the decision, I am not delighted with the prosecution's strategic choices, and if it were a jury trial and I were on it I'd be leaning towards involuntary manslaughter (he probably did not need to fire five times and was clearly at minimum sufficiently stressed to be in a reckless frame of mind) - but the prosecution basically fell flat on its face re first degree murder / the defense did an excellent job of presenting a sufficiently viable alternative scenario. Reasonable doubt's a motherfucker. I'm, er, not sure how you'd actually prove that a gun was planted by the cops without a witness, but the defense even took a swing at that one with "gun was big enough to be difficult to conceal from the video, no possible witnesses were called to the stand re gun planting, state's own witnesses testified that lack of victim DNA on the gun didn't necessarily mean victim did not touch gun". RuanGacho posted:Right, which is why I'm arguing this is a systemic failure This is where I'm at. It's possible this was murder and I'm pretty strongly of the opinion based on the judge statement that it was involuntary manslaughter, but the prosecution flubbed it, whether intentionally, semi-intentionally lazily, or just incompetently. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 17:45
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RuanGacho posted:I'd like to think that the difference between me and the average government worker who's been at it for two decades is that when poo poo goes wrong I ask how we fix it instead of just shrugging our shoulders and going what can ya do? If nothing else this is another tally mark for body cams in the sense of in "if murder, universal bodycams would have let the prosecution argue more strongly for the gun planting if they felt like it". 
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Sep 15, 2017 17:51
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axeil posted:Cool, in those cases they didn't murder a dude. Saying "I'M GONNA KILL THIS GUY" and then actually killing him are way different from saying something and then doing nothing. caros is not defending the cops, he is arguing the decision isn't clearly insane from a procedural standpoint given what the prosecution presented quote:The judge seems to have chalked up the former to an excited utterance (80 mph car case and all) rather than a statement of intent. The latter wasn't proven to his satisfaction. reasonable doubt is, in fact, a motherfucker which is why my immediate takeaway from this specific mess is "the prosecution dropped the ball on involuntary manslaughter, if not on the whole drat case" and "narrow-focus problem: how do we handle the possibility of cop-planted guns? proposition: body cams and ???"
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Sep 15, 2017 17:57
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Potato Salad posted:DR's reading of the case is probably not far off, sadly. I don't think he's defending the decision either, just outlining how this ruling was justified. Involuntary manslaughter for "recklessness / lethally excessive force in cops is very bad, and much easier to show" is a good start, and is conveniently a lesser included charge in most (all?) state murder statutes.
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Sep 15, 2017 17:59
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axeil posted:So strange how the prosecution always seems to drop the ball when the cops murder someone. Yes, it's bad that they are at best deferential to police officers. What should be done about that? My answer to my own question boils down to somewhere between "hell if I know" and "make it harder for even the laziest, most credulous prosecutor to bollocks up the case by way of bodycams and suchlike". It still won't stop actual blatant nefariosity, but "the officers had bodycams and the prosecution didn't say anything about it" would be exceedingly obvious misconduct in eg this case. axeil posted:The problem is so bad I think good people should be willing to risk it and try and actually get on the jury for these cases because otherwise more and more of these murderers will be prowling around acting as a menace to our communities. This is good. If this had been a jury trial and I'd been on the panel, this would 100% have been an involuntary manslaughter or hung jury at absolute minimum even with the idiot, lazy, and/or evil prosecutor. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Spun Dog posted:From the decision: Yeah, I really don't like that line. It's even quite unnecessary in establishing reasonable doubt in this case, so it's not just bad, it's gratuitous. edit: that said it would make me much, much angrier if that element were the deciding factor in swinging towards reasonable doubt
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Caros posted:
 As an aside I'm not sure the prosecution did much in the way of inquiry into the officer's history, either. The dinky little paragraph on it smells an awful lot like the defense trying to make him more sympathetic (to the judge ) and officer history is, you know, relevant to recklessness. poo poo, we know for a fact he was injured in a bombing in Iraq, PTSD related inquiries would be the sort of thing that might be handy in a recklessness argument, you know?Now I'm that much more irritated with the prosecution. If my dumb not-a-lawyer rear end can see this stuff there's no excuse.
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UberJew posted:I really do like the line because it establishes exactly what was going on and why you're being a giant pile of intentionally dense poo poo defending the ruling. nah i'm defending the murder part of the ruling because the prosecution took a dive and/or were lazy morons the judge makes a good description of why it wasn't proven to be first degree murder and I've been saying over and over that even with the lovely prosecution I think he should have been whacked with involuntary manslaughter because he was clearly reckless / used excessive force
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That would help but a larger issue is that a lot of people -- many of whom wear judicial robes and / or sit on juries -- are hella racist. Right so, what do we do to make that less garbage? What could have fixed, say, the Walter Scott shooting in specific? (In that specific case I'm sort of leaning somewhere between "I dunno, an external review board for an extra fuckup-catching net, with ability to... fine the poo poo out of police officers?" and "absolutely nothing would have worked, everything is hosed") edit: I guess I mean "assuming Walter Scott already got blown away" rather than something that would have made it less likely in the first place, although that probably would be even better Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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RaySmuckles posted:denver has a team of social workers that travel around with police in conjunction with the mental health center of denver. my fiancé and i are friends of the guy in charge. seems to be a pretty good program that deserves to be copied throughout the country Oh right, I forgot to respond there. This is fantastic and even better than the stuff that's just nefariosity-reduction.
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UberJew posted:The judge was acting in the fine tradition of American jurisprudence embodied by Scalia and wrote whatever fit the conclusion he wanted to reach. The exact same judge absolutely could and would have written an equally persuasive opinion to the contrary on the exact same facts if he cared to, but left that line in so the police know he has always got their back. I remain unconvinced on the first degree murder charge based on the pattern of facts available (unless one of us feels like wading through the transcript to see if there's anything he left out about the gun-plantin', and I'm sure not ) but I think I'm willing to accept that the judge was wilfully complicit with the prosecution in ditching the lesser included charges.
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Caros posted:Eh, I've seem prosecutors get away with that. wait what edit: oh good, I found a footnote in the transcript re the murder verdict that wasn't mentioned on the manslaughter bit quote:The Court also believes the dangerous, highly stressful, and frenetic events during and immediately following the pursuit and shooting on December 20, 2011, are the antithesis of "cool" anything, much less reflection 
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exploded mummy posted:The prosecution did ask for lesser charges of murder to be brought, just apparently not involuntary manslaughter, and the judge tossed those for having the same self defense problem as murder 1. It looks like it was auto-included and he chucked it without strongly addressing the "if reckless / excessive force, self-defense doesn't matter" clause. Second to last paragraph.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:This sounds so good. Every city should do this: Love it.
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RaySmuckles posted:hey, cool, you found it! yeah its pretty new. and the guy managing the team is arguably the coolest guy alive. just like, one of those people everyone loves, even the cops. the team couldn't be in better hands. fun fact, one of the team members drank the cool-aid and is going to the academy to become a cop, lol. Well I mean, better him than most anybody else.
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Lightning Knight posted:The problem with this is that it puts the onus on individual officers without dealing with the ineffectual and corrupt bureaucracy that supposedly oversees them. Yeah it's a tradeoff. I honestly don't know whether I like or dislike the idea.
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KickerOfMice posted:A few people in here were self-admittedly playing devil's advocate to explain the legal mechanics. Yeah, my FIRST instinct was "that's hosed up, I wonder exactly how" and my second instinct was to go look, whereupon I discovered that a big part of how was the prosecution being dumb lazy or evil and shared it with the class Edit: and/or evil Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 21:27
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tentative8e8op posted:I'm looking frame by frame and it looks to me like the gun is pointing down and to the left as he pulls it out of the bag That's not necessarily inconsistent with the defense's argument "his demeanor suggested that he found the gun he was searching for whereupon my client had to shoot him five times also please ignore the definition of involuntary manslaughter".
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Potato Salad posted:Hi, worked with a homeless shelter in Burlington VT four years. Soup kitchens / free cafeterias too Actually I've been pondering this as a potentially locally viable quasi-GMI. I wonder what the math would look like (especially?) if it were in the general structure of a pay what you can joint. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Spun Dog posted:Yah, a few of the same people who always seem to crop up whenever someone is killed by a cop. It's like sending up the bat signal. Hey  Edit: although I guess without the implication that's actually a totally reasonable description of me, carry on
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Both of these points are very interesting! Thank you both. I knew it was different from household or corporate budgeting but I just couldn't really work out why. I appreciate it Also, not directly what you asked, but printing money doesn't necessarily cause proportional or even noticeable inflation. If there's enough slack productivity to absorb it, the economy just produces more widgets and charges the same price for them as they otherwise would. Conveniently, guess whether possible supply outstrips demand right now Edit: DR may be sociopathic but he's also dumb and had at cost benefit on this issue and so I don't think the first one is really the problem It's possible to be bad at empathy and still arrive at humane and good policy positions E.g., the discipline of economics Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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Unoriginal Name posted:Could you explain to me, a common man with minimal savings or intellect, why deflation is bad for me 1) Existing loans become better for the lender and worse for the borrower. This isn't necessarily an unalloyed bad, but it does explain why conversely inflation annoys the finance industry. 2) Deflation reduces the global propensity to spend and increases the global propensity to save for the people not living paycheck to paycheck. In a consumer driven economy such as, uh, all of them at this time, this is bad and also it leads to companies producing less (because reduced demand), which means the people they pay (you!) have less money to spend, so you spend less, so the companies produce less, and then everything burns to the ground. Efb, thanks phone posting, but I still contributed a more detailed woest case scenario
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