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Rappaport posted:Here's the book list from the old USPol if anyone cares; the list is a bit old by now so if this goes in the OP then fresh suggestions are probably welcome. you're missing settlers by j sakai
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Hillary and Bernie are at this point both seriously divisive well-poisoners who need to bow out of the lime-light and put their energy into behind-the-scenes work. "both sides! both sides!" i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into an msnbc anchor
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Sep 11, 2017 23:22
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Majorian posted:Her strategy for the Democratic Party has been to rely on the axiom that demographics equals destiny, and that getting out the vote in big urban centers will swing presidential elections. The problem is, this doesn't really work at getting over the 270 hump in the EC let alone win at the state and local levels, which you kinda need to do in order to be a national party
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Sep 12, 2017 00:12
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Taerkar posted:The biggest challenge on the state and local level is that there's more than a bit of a catch 22 in many states where in order to win you need the district lines to be unfucked, but until the SCOTUS stops loving the constitution that would require for the left to win the seats that determine how those lines are drawn. gerrymandering is a huge problem but it's not insurmountable what should be more worrying is over 40% of state legislative races were unopposed last year
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Sep 12, 2017 00:36
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Paracaidas posted:With 5,898 seats available, Dems ran 5,903 candidates to the GOP's 6,042. To be clear, 40% is not the percentage of seats Ds left unopposed. yeah no poo poo, but also notice how much the percentage of unchallenged seats has gone up in just a few cycles
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Sep 12, 2017 00:57
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Mr Hootington posted:Good to see you old friend. this but with goatse
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Sep 12, 2017 01:15
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Paracaidas posted:I feel like this makes a good question for the thread though: In the absence of 2017 candidates with specific platforms to discuss, who is valid to discuss as representatives of ideologies within the Democratic Party? rev william barber
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Sep 12, 2017 02:25
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wait, who was it who said joy "soviet yugoslavia" reid was smart?
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Sep 12, 2017 02:27
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shrike82 posted:Or could it be that Joy Reid was an Abuelaist who was vocal about being anti-Sanders and people are using her as yet another prop to grind out the 2016 Primaries? or she's as mercenary as any other hack https://twitter.com/joyannreid/status/9794033857593345 Majorian posted:She was smart at one time. She was even a big Bernie fan until 2015-ish, then suddenly did a weird 180 on him. not so much weird as she was hired by msnbc when andy lack took over from phil griffin
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Sep 12, 2017 02:35
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Majorian posted:You're right, should have said "jarring" instead. what's weird was their post-election corporate strategy was to double down on the centrist brainworms as opposed to hyping the populist left which their prime time lineup was perfectly suited for
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Sep 12, 2017 02:41
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Nah, I definitely support socialists... but I also support the idea of getting poo poo done. Bernie isn't getting anything done he literally just got 2/3 of the 2020 democratic primary to go on record supporting medicare for all Hellblazer187 posted:I think "go after white working class!" vs "ignore the white working class, go totally urban!" is a ridiculous false dichotomy. it is and that's why i brought up rev barber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnUEmUVWd38
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Sep 12, 2017 07:33
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Agents are GO! posted:We just need to find out what HILLARY CLINTON or NANCY PELOSI thinks about this development. i know it's a rhetorical question but still 
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Sep 13, 2017 08:59
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Trabisnikof posted:She's not wrong that protecting ACA should be the current legislative priority on healthcare and she's not wrong that single payer shouldn't be a litmus test. i mean sure if you never want to win a single chamber of legislature ever again that's correct
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Sep 13, 2017 10:41
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SulphagneSocialist posted:I think it speaks to the fact that she is more interested in the project of the Democratic Party and not necessarily the ideological stances or leftist policy goals lots of voters have. she's more interested in the project of a democratic party made in her image if the republican party post-nixon hadn't been overrun by used car salesmen and failed televangelists she'd likely have stuck around there
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Sep 13, 2017 21:25
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The Bloop posted:I spoke to a few acquaintances who were going to be voting for the first time, never having followed politics before, and all of them said that Hillary was somehow vaguely untrustworthy. None could cite a single reason. People hear that stuff for so long that they DO internalize it, that's the point. To a lot of people if he is calling her Crooked Hillary and the press isn't 100% repudiating it, it must be for a reason. it's like that canard about the reason behind the civil war people who don't follow politics think she's untrustworthy people who know a little think there's a massive conspiracy around every corner ranging from russia to sanders the media to men in general people who know a lot about politics think she's untrustworthy
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Sep 13, 2017 21:31
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DACK FAYDEN posted:The Southern Strategy happened and just because she was a Goldwater Girl in '64 doesn't mean she didn't also do undercover work sniffing out racist schools within a decade of that. Come on, man. if the post-civil rights realignment hadn't occurred and the republican party was still primarily the party of racially moderate northeastern business interests, that'd be her natural home
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Sep 13, 2017 21:34
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Radish posted:Perez entered the race AFTER Ellison had already become the favorite. Like it's literally the opposite of what you are saying happened when Obama put Perez up to counter Ellison's early momentum. and don't forget the anti-muslim whisper campaign launched against ellison where the party establishment encouraged by clowns like haim saban and the adl pushed stories from frank gaffney and breitbart of all places
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Sep 13, 2017 21:39
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Accretionist posted:The Democratic base pulling the Democratic party left is sabotage, now? according to the current party establishment, yeah it is every ossified organization reacts the same way when it's no longer totally in control of itself
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Sep 13, 2017 21:45
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Raskolnikov38 posted:hilariously west wing did a "bernie sanders type attempts to primary jed during re-election to push him left" and the characters flipped out about it in the exact same way liberals do about bernie we're all living in aaron sorkin's coke-fueled fantasy
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Sep 13, 2017 21:50
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Jazerus posted:(for comparison, hillary voters in 2008 defected to mccain 20+% and 10% is pretty low historically) 25% and the duke study where that number's pulled from has a footnote that says it's likely a bit higher since people tend to underreport that they voted for the loser
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Sep 13, 2017 22:30
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axeil posted:That's not what he's arguing though. He even says that at the end! pokemon go to the polls isn't much of an argument, and he fundamentally misunderstands why groups like antifa form
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Sep 14, 2017 01:39
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there's really no point in worrying about leftist groups getting too radicalized or too organized because the second they pose an actual inconvenience to power, let alone anything resembling a threat, they're immediately put down by the full force of state violence
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Sep 14, 2017 02:34
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Dead Reckoning posted:Unsurprisingly, I, along with most normal people, distinguish between prescribed violence committed by accountable and identified agents of the state and randos deciding to take the law into their own hands.  "accountable"
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Sep 14, 2017 06:24
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Jaxyon posted:Jesus Christ do you have a poo poo opinion on literally everything? mods namechange dead reckoning to well, actually
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Sep 16, 2017 02:10
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i work in the finance business sales industry so you could say i'm somewhat of an expert on homelessness and i say grind their bones and offal into gruel to feed to the other peons and write it off as charity to reduce our tax burden even further
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Sep 16, 2017 04:59
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Zero_Grade posted:Terry McAuliffe going from "sleazy Clinton fundraiser" to "surprisingly good VA governor" is one of the more low-key impressive political stories of the last few years. given the state's relationship to dc, bagman is like 90% of the job so it shouldn't come as that big a surprise
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Sep 17, 2017 19:50
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I don't know how likely it is that someone would take them up on that offer, though. And if nobody does, then Rolling Stone is gone. the brand is worth enough someone will keep it alive newsweek's still lurching around for example
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Sep 18, 2017 17:44
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Calibanibal posted:Guys... just dont eat lead? Whats so hard about this this is america pal and if i want a one way ticket to flavor country then by god it's my right
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Sep 20, 2017 01:23
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PhazonLink posted:Wow what the gently caress, like over the years I heard that the AF has a strange fundie bias but not anything that crazy. and then there's the mormons
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Sep 20, 2017 04:10
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RuanGacho posted:We need more statists in the Dem party and socialists and people fighting for social justice, not necessarily in that order. That must be the coalition to counter the GOPs libertarian, corporate, and racists respectively. For some reason our coalition wants to fight with two of our three weapons behind our backs, and historically speaking this is what causes new parties to form and either take over and be absorbed. nah you need more dank memes
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Sep 21, 2017 17:09
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RuanGacho posted:Somehow Hideo Kojima has managed to destroy the entirety of western civilization. au contraire he's provided us the guidebook to surviving these worrying times
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Sep 21, 2017 17:15
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Mr Hootington posted:Get cloned a million times and have them all fight until only one survives? mostly some vague anti-nuclear proliferation messaging plus lotsa rear end & titties
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Sep 21, 2017 17:20
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/ValeriePlame/status/910884546723196929 there's a discussion to be had about the roots of neoconservatism in reactionary anti-communist russian and eastern european jewish immigrant communities who otherwise helped form the backbone of the american left in the mid-20th century, but that sure ain't how you do it
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Sep 21, 2017 18:50
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Majorian posted:Yeah, that's a shame. I had a lot of respect for her, but holy moly... tbf she didn't write the piece, she just linked to it
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Sep 21, 2017 18:51
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I don't think pushing M4A will hurt Democrats' chances of winning elections in 2018 or 2020. campaigning against the faction of the party and base who favor it sure will though
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Sep 25, 2017 01:53
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Hellblazer187 posted:* Clinton had a charisma but she didn't have our preconceived notions of male/dominant charisma. She had something different and it seemed off to folks who can't imagine "charismatic politician" as anything other than what it's been for the last 200 years. hey who gave ezra klein a forums account seriously though, she's nixon with even worse political instincts
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Sep 25, 2017 03:24
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Koalas March posted:i'm not saying all cops should die but like policing as it exists should die
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Condiv posted:I still don't get why anyone would identify as a centrist contracted a terminal case of brainworms at a performance of hamilton
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Graham-Cassidy is dead apparently. McCain, Paul, and Collins are all hard nos. that debate tonight with graham and sanders might actually be interesting
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