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This was already known this since the subprime owners defaulted at a lower rate than average. The only people pushing the idea that they were the cause were friends of the financial guys that helped caused the mess in order to shift the blame.
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Sorry we can't do anything about Equifax think of the lost jobs.
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Sep 13, 2017 15:44
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Hillary Clinton's take on the Standing Rock protesters was that both sides needed to come together and respect each other's safety when one side was peacefully protesting an oil line coming through their territory since the neighboring white town when NIMBY on it and the other was shooting people's arms off with freezing water cannons and using attack dogs. I don't need to consider Hillary's gender to know that's poo poo. I voted for her rear end because gently caress Trump but she sucks and saying the only reason you could have that opinion is because she's a woman is disgusting. If you like Hillary Clinton you are free to do it but don't give me that 2016 primary bullshit that the only reason people have a problem with her is because they are sexist.
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Sep 13, 2017 18:18
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The Bernie isn't even a Democrat line would be more convincing if their treatment of Lieberman had been colder.
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Sep 13, 2017 19:21
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Perez entered the race AFTER Ellison had already become the favorite. Like it's literally the opposite of what you are saying happened when Obama put Perez up to counter Ellison's early momentum.
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Sep 13, 2017 21:34
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MizPiz posted:Can I get a countdown to when Hillary/the Hillfolk start claiming anything Sanders does is because they pressured him to do it? Haha this is the first thing I thought of. She's become the parody people on the left were making fun of her with.
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Sep 14, 2017 12:32
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Sep 15, 2017 15:33
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Is this one of those cases where the jury was mega racist, where they were super authoritarian and there HAD to be a good reason the cop did what he did, the prosecutor intentionally made a lovely case (maybe not this one since that sort of thing happens more often in grand juries where they don't have to make stuff public after), or half of the evidence was inadmissible so they missed the real story?
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Sep 15, 2017 15:58
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No Butt Stuff posted:There was no jury. 
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Sep 15, 2017 16:14
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Zero_Grade posted:Terry McAuliffe going from "sleazy Clinton fundraiser" to "surprisingly good VA governor" is one of the more low-key impressive political stories of the last few years. No kidding he's been really solid.
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Sep 17, 2017 18:21
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You won't be able to fix policing until our broken justice system is fixed. That's not "we can't do two things are once so don't do either" bullshit but it's admitting that all the cameras in the world won't matter until prosecutors don't intentionally tank cases for officers or in the rare cases that make it to court, the judge and laws aren't bent in the police's favor. There was a lot of naivety that if people saw police breaking laws on camera that the system would do its job and punish accordingly. However like with our Trump and Republican controlled government in general it's becoming clear the system is so corrupted that you can't assume people won't blatantly break the rules to cover for anything if they know they won't be held accountable since a scary amount of the public supports fascism against their enemies.
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Sep 19, 2017 14:59
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That people think you can reason these guys out of wanting to reenact the Holocaust is the most supreme hubris.
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Sep 20, 2017 16:20
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botany posted:did you watch the videos? there is literally a scene where they are sitting in (i think) a hotel lobby, talking about how to approach "the jewish question, or, the jewish problem". the solution is, of course, ethnic cleansing. This Chad guy isn't even a useless "both sides" idiot. He's a straight up fascist using those people's insipid notion that nazi speech isn't violent to attack minorities by equivocating them to nazis. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Sep 20, 2017 |
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Sep 20, 2017 16:36
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From what I've read on charter schools they are a weird issue in terms of support. Like when you are a parent and have a kid and you don't have time for politicians to VERY slowly fix the educational system a decent charter school in your area is the best option. By the time things are fixed it could be a decade or never. A parent can absolutely support charter schools because they need immediate results for their kids and sometimes that's the only option they have if their district is massively underfunded. For politicians however there is really no excuse for pushing them over fixing the problems with our deteriorating educational system, especially when if you look at the results they aren't statistically better than public schools. By fixing I mean actually fixing and not bullshit like allowing Republican to destroy it slower or promising changes the smart people in charge will do if we just keep waiting forever. Decoupling education from property taxes should be a huge movement within the Democratic party but instead you have liberal politicians stabbing public school in the back by acting like charter schools are some magical fix since they have also bought into the lie that private anything is better than public when they are just held to less standards and can more easily remove "problem" students.
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Sep 22, 2017 15:58
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Even if they have a way around it, the fact that upper middle class people have to consider the massive discrepancies in terms of school quality when they buy homes is evidence that the system is crumbling.
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boner confessor posted:yeah i'm the upper middle class person staying up at night deciding whether or not i should buy the $750k mcmansion in a gated community or the $180k deferred maintenance brick ranch by the landfill That's a pretty good problem to have!
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Sep 22, 2017 16:11
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If pragmatism was actually about pragmatism it would look at the humiliating losses the Democrats took in 2016 and the writing on the wall from 2014 and started to immediately and fundamentally change their electoral strategy. The fact that they don't (and are VERY vocal in opposition to it) means that it isn't about being pragmatic, serious, responsible, or whatever; it's about dogmatically pushing their ideology and just using elect-ability as an excuse for why they require conservative purity tests. That goes without saying that pragmatism is a morally bankrupt ideology since if you are only concerned with getting elected, you are willing to compromise on anything either economically or socially as we've seen with the Democrats sending out feelers for allowing candidates that are anti-abortion. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 13:35
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Whatever I want my unicorn that shits moonbeams.
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Sep 25, 2017 17:54
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Majorian posted:I think you summed it up pretty well here. They don't want to be on the wrong side of history on some social issues, but see the economic status quo as far more tenable than it actually is. Also centrists weren't even for gay marriage until SCOTUS forced their hands and quietly try to pretend that their opposition didn't happen. If you are going to self identify as a "centrist" when of the two political parties in this country one is right wing economically and slightly left wing socially and the other is an absolutely insane mix of Randian economics, white supremacy, evangelical christian theocratic, and general monsters willing to kill as many people in other countries as it takes to profit then it's not the fault of other people that might misinterpret how left wing you actually are. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 18:11
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I want to live in the version of America where the moderate center between our two parties involves economic and social justice. It sounds like a nice place.
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I missed the bit where centrists sometimes don't vote D apparently. I thought that not voting or voting for third party was the worst leftist sin but apparently it isn't a big deal. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 18:30
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Centrism MIGHT work if you had a system that could support three or more parties, and a right wing one that was operating in good faith. However in the current political setup we have in the US that isn't the case so all "centrism" accomplishes is moving the country further and further right by capitulating as the right keeps getting more and more openly extreme. If you legitimately advocate for most left wing policies that help people you aren't a centrist so don't call yourself something that is just going to cause people to think you are more right wing than you are. Also if you agree with the Republicans on literally anything you should immediately re-evaluate why you think that. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:True centrism, applied as a tactic and not an ideology, would work with two extremes and a center, yes. In practice centrism end up being more about the center of acceptable advocated ideologies, and not the center of the present power structures. Hence why you have people that consider themselves centrist reacting to the labels put forth in this thread. What constitutes an "acceptable advocated ideology?" The current power structure of our two parties defines the American political reality, not some set of ideals. You can't say you are a "centrist" because you personally identify yourself between American Democrats and some European socialist and expect anyone to understand what you believe. Additionally what's even the point of this tactic? You advocate for your goals, not for some compromise. The compromise is the end result you hope you come out the better of, not something you start out trying to achieve because it has some inherent value. As a tactic it's clearly failing as the Democrats, and by extension the country, are in dire straights right now so even as a way of achieving something in exchange for a loss it's failing. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 19:41
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I hope Tony Blair is tortured in whatever afterlife exists by the souls of all the dead loving Iraqi children he helped murder. Seriously this. I hope it's in the same pit as Murdock since they love hanging out together so much.
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Sep 26, 2017 00:25
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I think at this point being afraid of Republican messaging is a self defeating problem. Obamacare was the compromise but that didn't stop the GOP from actively trying to destroy it while saying it was the worst kind of socialism. Republican media exists outside of any semblance of reality so tempering your own policy and messaging because it might be used against you is stupid when they will just lie anyway. It doesn't really matter if there's some truth to a Republican's claim because their supporters don't care either way and will hate everything they are told to.
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Sep 26, 2017 13:14
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The baby Charlie thing is so loving dumb like literally no children die in America from lack of access to medical care.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:03
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BarbarianElephant posted:Plenty of kids with completely treatable diseases die in America. Charlie Gard was not treatable. He had an incurable illness. I know which is why the outrage over a child that had an incurable disease being used as a way to explain how the NHS would be worse than we have here is so loathsome.
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Sep 29, 2017 16:38
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm also pretty sure you're more likely to be assaulted or murdered on the job as a teacher than as a cop. There are plenty of jobs where this is the case but for some reason those don't get judicial approved murder powers.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:14
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thechosenone posted:Would the GOP would be foolish enough to even do something like harm police unions though? Seems like they wouldn't even think to do it. Of course not. It's not like police unions are doing anything they don't approve of anyway.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:16
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Koalas March posted:Man, it's almost like the police culture is built on fear and ruthlessness in order to maintain control and protect property not people with the added feature of protecting white supremacy and maintaining the status quo. This topic always brings back bad memories of the Cops in the Beat threads and the trash posters that always had some bullshit reason why the latest murder by the police was totally legally justified and thus, while unfortunate (  ) there is simply nothing we can do without trampling all over the bill of rights. Somehow in a country where we have one of the, if not the absolute, highest incarceration rates in the world our system simply can't punish murderous police acting on authority of the state without our justice system collapsing.
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I'll have more of a problem with teacher's unions when they start making public statements that the molestation or rape victims of teachers deserve what they got from their members because of problems in their own communities they need to fix.
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"Terrorist" is another dog whistle that everyone on both sides knows what's really being said but polite discourse dictates no politician or media personality will admit this openly.
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Lightning Knight posted:Yikes, that number doubled in an hour. I thought he had like eight guns up there and was just throwing them down to grab the next one.
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Yeah imagine if the worst mass shooting in the US was harder to hear. At least her next tweet is correct in saying grief isn't enough.
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Yardbomb posted:The cops take even marginally longer to figure where the shots are coming from in the huge panic and another dozen die in the mean time? It's sad as someone in that twitter thread said that the debate has been so effectively shifted than now the best we can do is beg our representatives to not make it somewhat harder to dive for cover in the case we are being massacred.
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VitalSigns posted:Conservative jurists aren't stupid; they're evil. They know exactly what they're doing. Same dude REAAAAALY hated the VRA for his entire career and then when he gets onto the SCOTUS just happens to rule against it.  Anytime you have to ask yourself "how stupid is this justice that he/she thinks this is how this works??" remember they aren't dumb but are more than willing to play it in order to get their agenda pushed. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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On Terra Firma posted:I tried working with local dems in Richmond and let me just say the party here is dumb as gently caress. A county chair in the western part of the state just resigned because of lack of support or interest from the party. They're banking on NOVA, Richmond, and Norfolk to carry the state and anything outside of that doesn't matter to them. Goddamnit I thought they were supposed to be trying to get all the elections full of candidates instead of just letting Republicans run unopposed in districts that went Clinton...
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Neurolimal posted:Jesus christ. How accurate is that since it seems like a huge deal?
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The only reason he won't have any influence is because of him being outed as sleazy and rapey, which took years and tons of people were too scared to come forward despite this all being an open secret. It's one thing to not fall into right wing messaging since they don't actually give a poo poo at all about what he did as they elected Trump, but to pretend this isn't something we need some introspection within the Democratic party where this guy is giving Hillary campaign tips (and bad ones to screw with BLM's message) is not a good take.
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Doctor Butts posted:It is introspection everyone needs, because this poo poo happens everywhere. Not just Hollywood, and not just to the Democrats. I totally agree. However you can't just hold out for everywhere to do it at once and allow the people that are supposed to be on the left side of social issues off the hook because it's a systemic problem. One of the issues is that this has become a political thing where the right gets to use it as a "SEE OUR OPPONENTS ARE BAD ON THIS ISSUE THEY SAY WE ARE BAD ON" as if that means Trump isn't a vile sexual predator they absolutely support while you have Democrats trying to downplay the larger issue of the powerful but lovely people integrated into our political parties and high positions because it looks bad they had this guy in a position of influence so nothing gets done really. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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