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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Has anyone here been the target of a protest? I was at the 2012 inaugural when this happened like fifty feet away and I gotta say really it left me really nonplussed Oh poo poo it’s the tone police, everybody scram!
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Koalas March posted:Public relations and optics do unfortunately matter to a certain extent. We need to use that to our advantage not cut our noses to spite our faces just because it's dumb. Unfortunately the American electorate are loving dumb so we need to bend down and look them in the eye sometimes. And I'm not saying this as someone who is happy about it. Oh I agree but I’m not sure scientists have developed a microscope sensitive enough to detect the Venn diagram intersection of useful PR and Reaction Twitter. This comedy forum meta discussion of some alleged no-follower Twitter takes on the possibly less-than-optimal counter-counter protest by Manning could literally not be any more meaningless.
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Jan 21, 2018 18:45
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Jan 21, 2018 22:26
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Trabisnikof posted:One of the biggest failures of the Kerry campaign was waiting too long to respond to the Swift Boat ads. This was one of the core lessons from 2004 that Obama's campaign learned and applied by officially shooting down every stupid theory with campaign releases but trying not to have them bubble up to the candidate needing to respond. Eh, that was almost 15 years ago. And it’s not like any amount of response ever definitively shut down birtherism or the secret Muslim poo poo. A lot of people are just stupid, petty, and more interested in scoring points online than anything else.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:42
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cis autodrag posted:Unfortunately trans women who respond to people smearing them are often met with stalking and harassment that can turn life threatening. Chelsea went to prison and was tortured, who knows what's going through her mind right now as she thinks about what to do. Or if she even knows about this second photo. Has anyone actually gotten her attention with it? I don't have Twitter anymore (because of harassment of course) or I'd @ it to her. I did a cursory scan of her mentions because I’m bored and hungover and hypocritical about petty online slap fights, she gets so many mentions per minute that I don’t see how anyone could ever keep up. I did see the picture in question mentioned many times in the little window of time I glanced at. Twitter is awful.
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yronic heroism posted:“Excuse me goon sir a link to threads where we talk about ACAB and use Pepespeak about freaking out “normies” is not what I asked. Kindly post the mathematical formula of all posts in the history of the forum about cops re: whether they are indeed AB to show how you arrived at your ratio. Until then ... goon day, sir! Nice meltdown
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Paracaidas posted:Oh for gently caress's sake. I bothered actually reading this. The tweet, and the way in which you've presented it, are grossly misleading. It is a fight. Republicans get this, Democrats don’t. But even if that wasn’t your point, I’m inclined to be skeptical when someone who hasn’t bucked a vote yet starts aww-shucksing about decorum.
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DOUG JONES IS STATING THAT HIS ELECTION SHOULD BE A WAKEUP CALL TO TRUMP AND THE GOP THAT THEY NEED TO WORK WITH DEMOCRATS IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR SEATS
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Partly regression to the mean, probably republicans Actually Did a Thing (tax cuts), partly temporary news flurries caused by MEMO, partly the State of the Union lift, partly the fact that Trump has avoided actively making GBS threads on anyone or hitting any new depths of public embarrassment for the past couple weeks. Perhaps, but I’m really coming around to the idea that these things matter less overall than the fact that there is no coherent message from the current Democratic minority other than “Trump bad.” That message didn’t work in 2016 and it’s not going to carry 2018. It’s why I think the shutdown was such a clusterfuck. Sure there wasn’t much of a path to victory for the Dreamers, but everyone already knew that. It’s the whole reason the 2016 election was so catastrophic: Republicans were handed the keys to the kingdom. Bad poo poo was and is going to happen. We’re going to lose, and lose bigly in some cases. The point is to put up a fight. Force the Republicans to nuke the filibuster and otherwise roll the Democrats, which they’ll happily do, but at least go down swinging. Instead we get Democrats voting to confirm awful nominees and Schumer offering up funding for the wall and a party apparatus that spends more energy fighting the left than Republicans. It’d be funny in a nihilistic sense, if the Republicans weren’t on the verge of having the numbers to push through a constitutional amendment to make it illegal for them to lose.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:We don't know that there's no Democrat message yet because we don't have the 2018 candidates yet. There's still plenty of time for a lot of progressive activists to emerge and start pushing strong left wing messages. I mean, in the sense that we don’t know what slogans will show up for campaign ads, sure. But beyond that, that’s exactly the problem. What is the Democratic Party, post-Trump? Because I see this almost-universal shock at Trump’s ascent looking for an outlet that is willing to articulate what everyone knows needs to be said about America in 2018, and increasingly deciding that the Democratic Party ain’t it.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's a sort of natural result of not having any real party leadership right now. Once some candidates start winning some races and holding elected office, folks like Iron Stache or whoever else will have a real chance to push a progressive message. I think that’s a charitable read of the Democratic Party, but ok I agree with this in general, for the House. Why I’m more cynical is because I think the Senate should without a doubt in play. I mean, grassroots organizing is great for bringing new Democrats to the House, but that’s a lot harder to spin up in one election cycle for a state-wide race like the Senate. This is where even an angry, obstructionist minority party would be helpful. Even if “the establishment” doesn’t know what the message should be, their standing for something — even if it’s just mindless opposition to Trump himself — could direct that energy to a pure, run-up-the-numbers campaign for whoever the best candidates for Senate are. My point is, if that were going to happen, we should be talking about these people now. Instead, Democrats are resorting to head-in-the-sand appeals to better angels and decorum and bipartisanship. And I think that’s showing up in the polling trend lines.
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Is there an economic collapse thread? Looks like that long-fabled recession may finally be upon us.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t really have a problem with Medicare for All as a tagline anymore, now that I better understand it. I sort of still don’t like “free college,” because describing anything as “free” is the biggest trap to walk into. I like “tuition-free” because it’s more accurate. Buddy I don’t mean to pick on you, but you’re plugged in enough to post in this thread constantly and most of the time it seems like minor pedantry and mild reservations like this. “Free college” vs “tuition free.” Who gives a gently caress. Go out there and bug all your less-engaged friends about it. We’re in the worst timeline, running headlong into facism, so what is there to lose by planting your flag as far left as you can? M4A, free college, disband the police, unilateral nuclear disarmament, close all prisons, Chelsea for Senate, break up big tech, nationalize the internet, full reparations, abolish the senate, a dozen other things I’m not that thinking of, etc etc. Let it wash over you...
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Brony Car posted:Are you sure that the Democrats in Virginia will take that as a sign that they should go further left and not, say, double down on centrism? Are you a time traveler from 2016?
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Feb 9, 2018 15:39
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Brony Car posted:Fair enough, but deciding to opt out of the Senate race is still a big move to me. Telling someone they should still, ultimately, vote for the lesser evil in some lovely Democrat is making excuses for Democrats though. Facist Republicans already control the government, one less vote for a do-nothing bad Democrat isn’t going to change that.
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Feb 9, 2018 16:36
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One of the best things the Democratic Party leadership could do for the country is vow to step down from leadership positions after the elections. That should be a litmus test for the primary.
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VitalSigns posted:You can argue that voting for the lesser evil is the rational choice until you're blue in the face, human beings aren't rational actors dutifully executing the Nash local equilibrium strategy. If Democrats keep giving us right-wing economic policy but with an apologetic smiley face, I will vote for them forever because Republicans want to put me in a camp, and my vote will not matter because enough of the people Dems are grinding under the heel of capitalism and now racism will fail to show and Dems will lose. Did you mean to say you’d vote against them? It’s not clear what you’re arguing here.
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Feb 10, 2018 02:05
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I just can’t get over the fact that Democrats are getting rolled by Donald loving Trump right now. What a disaster.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The core Democratic voter wants nice speeches and decorum. The core GOP voter wants to stomp on your corpse until dollars fly out of it. The Democratic party is ineffective and weak because, by and large, core Democratic voters either don't actually understand how politics work or don't prize power. Either option is contemptible. I’m not gonna argue that the every Democratic voter is ready for the DSA, but I’d argue most of the blame lies with the party, which is so thoroughly contemptible as to be written off completely. There’s just such a dearth of talent at every level that we’re effectively starting a party from scratch. That poo poo’s hard, and unfortunate it looks like there’s a very real chance it’s too late. On the other hand, Bernie got a lot closer to breaking through than I would have expected, so that’s something. But yeah, decorum fetishists are the worst.
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VitalSigns posted:No I will vote for them, "lesser evilism" works on me because Republicans want to put me in a camp so the rational choice is the guys who aren't trying to electrocute me until I stop liking dick. Ahh OK wanted to check first before posting what I was originally going to say, which was lol they’re already literally preparing ICE to round up and deport the Dreamers, and while idk where you land in line for this nightmare sequel to the 1940s, it might be time to reassess your tactics. Democrats haven’t done a good goddamn for Dreamers and I don’t know why you’d think the “lesser evil” will do anything for you when your number comes up. But this is all so spectacularly awful and I don’t begrudge you for doing whatever it is you think you need to do to survive and it’s hosed up that we’re talking about this at all. Stay safe.
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Perhaps the lesson of these indictments is that personality politics is just as empty and useless as decorum politics, and that perhaps Democrats would win if they advocated for policies that made people’s lives better. Like, let’s just go full idiot for a second and grant that Sanders is a full on Russian agent. If that gets us Medicare for all and free college tuition and the end of Wall St. then however you say “hail Satan” in Russian, I’m down.
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Feb 19, 2018 12:40
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That was not my conclusion. I clearly stated the opposite -- that we should not. This isn’t a great look, man. On the one hand you’re ready to launch targeted assassinations and perhaps even a land war if it wasn’t for those pesky nukes on the basis that a few Facebook shitposts indicates the tip of a larger iceberg of interference. But on the other hand, you just can’t get to yes on Chelsea Manning’s senate campaign over a lovely democratic incumbent. Like, why is it that you’re willing to perpetuate death and war but the idea of taking a risk on a likely flawed but morally grounded individual in a party primary requires an overwhelming abundance of caution and consideration?
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Feb 19, 2018 21:45
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If this discussion has gotten to the "dredge up bullshit out of context discussions from months ago" stage then there's nothing more to say that's productive. Besides, I thought the new Thread Consensus was that Chelsea Manning was a Bad Candidate now anyway after the Nazi escape room thing? I can't keep up with how often the Correct Opinions change around here. I didn’t mean this as a call out and I’m not trying to score points. I just think there’s an inconsistency between setting a high bar for a democratic senate primary and making the leap to executions and possible war on scant evidence. More broadly, I think our collective energy would be better spent the other way around: Support any random person who invokes leftist rhetoric and proposes a plan to advance a left agenda, and raise the bar for war and death. Perhaps then we’ll have elections that are Putin-proof, we won’t end up with Trump, and a bunch of people won’t have to die.
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Feb 19, 2018 22:08
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think I've been clear that my position is that the Podesta hack alone (coupled with the use of the information so obtained to attempt to interfere with the election) is enough by itself that Russian interference with the election may be accurately characterized as an "act of war." The rest is just gravy. Wait you just called out “whataboutism” earlier today when people were pointing to all the ways the US has interfered in elections. And now you’re what-abouting a bunch of heinous wars started for flimsy reasons. Why are you so gung ho to start a war?
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Ytlaya posted:lol no. I would bet almost anything short of my actual life that jack poo poo is going to change at any point in the foreseeable future (unless you count some relatively minor gun control legislation that doesn't go nearly far enough to address the problem). If the only thing generation Z brings to the table is a sense of urgency and activism, then those of us who are older should do everything we can to nurture that instinct.
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JeffersonClay posted:donating to federal employees who've been fired by trump for attempting to bring him to justice and donating to the republicans who are attempting to shield Trump from their investigations is exactly the same you are a very smart person You’re a dumb dumb.
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JeffersonClay posted:Exactly no one has been able to produce a coherent response to "we should signal to other federal employees that we'll support them if they're fired because they were defying Trump", and I very much doubt anyone will in the future. Witness the hapless centrist, his poor addled brain so thoroughly damaged, so utterly clueless that the entirety of his remaining animating life force can function only at extremes of a binary choice of his own creation. For this terminal patient, there is nothing beyond the basest of “or” statements: either give money to a disgraced fascist (“signal,” in the words of a lunatic) or one is the fascist. Modern science is yet to explain how one’s field of vision could be so narrow, but clinicians believe it is related to extreme online exposure and monk-like rejection of sunlight.
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JeffersonClay posted:Imagine being so deep in the useful idiot rabbit hole you think Mueller is a disgraced fascist. Again he shambles from topic to topic by binary comparison, his diseased frontal cortex on the verge of complete collapse. The patient’s worldview is almost entirely static at this point, its only change is to shrink toward nothingness. In this case, his entire construction of Mueller as an entity in the world is defined by its fictional, imagined relationship to its alternative. His few remaining, overtaxed neurons cannot possibly conceive of a history of a Robert Mueller prior to 2017. His actions in the chain of events that led to present circumstances rejected as utterly irrelevant. It’s here that observers glimpse the insanity of late-stage centrism: unable to function in a complex and dynamic world, they retreat inward, to a place of their own construction, where every choice is drawn so narrowly as to be entirely meaningless. Nonetheless, they fight bitterly for their perceived cause. The alternative — accepting change and embracing the hard work of adaptation — is far beyond their brittle mental faculties.
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JeffersonClay posted:I'm suggesting that we support federal employees fired by trump, regardless of their income, wealth, or political affiliation (except nazis). The criticism is "oh it's real dumb to give money to rich republicans, we need to means test our support for these people so it only goes to the poor" I go back to my original diagnosis, which is that you're really dumb.
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JeffersonClay posted:Except not means testing welfare programs means you give charity to rich and famous ex-feds, you're just willing to put up with that to address contemporary political reality. Exactly the same thing is true of creating a legal defense fund for federal employees who get fired for opposing Trump. This is what centrists actually believe.
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I like Bernie but the Internet’s inability to stop constantly arguing about him suggests we’re still stuck in the trap that the presidency is all that matters.
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VitalSigns posted:The platform of the party matters, and his is the best one Wouldn’t it be healthier to define the platform independent of the person?
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joepinetree posted:The attacks on Bernie aren't because of the person of Bernie. They are because the democratic establishment in nominally for a number of leftwing proposals while at the same time making sure that they never pass. So they can't say "we're against M4A and free college" because they'd lose a massive chunk of their constituents, so they have to be all "we are all for X, but [left wing person] is too problematic to support." I suppose I could see that, but if that’s the case, how do you know when to disengage and tell them to gently caress off? I ask because this poo poo goes on and on for pages and tends to drown out everything else.
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Goddamn I love how the Democrats can suck any morsel of hope out of politics.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I get that. Let's hope that isn't what happens. If it becomes a distraction or a drain on resources then i would agree. Also the discovery process is not without risk. if some additional corruption of the DNC is exposed via this process it will not be surprising. It’s a backward looking waste of resources that is useless even in its most optimistic outcome, in that absolutely nothing will come to light that will “bring down Trump,” and any paltry settlement could easily be offset by standing for something instead of whining about losing. In the expected case, where the party is nothing but a hollow grift, it is a sign that the party straight up doesn’t give a gently caress that its electoral strategy has cost it a thousand seats at all levels of government. Instead of doing something, it’ll just keep rearranging those deck chairs as we all sink into facism. gently caress these assholes and their stupid, dithering stunts.
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exploded mummy posted:she never did any of this Yeah that CFPB has really reined in the finance sector alright.
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“I have things to do. Books to write, places to go, grandchildren, first and foremost, to love.” When one of the most powerful Democrats in the country cares deeply about climate change, children in cages, police brutality, and impending economic collapse. Old age can’t claim her soon enough.
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DrNutt posted:Come 2020 I'll vote for a loving ham sandwich to get Trump out of office, but until then I'll keep on keepin' on and work as hard as I can to make sure someone like Avenatti isn't the ham sandwich. They’re all ham sandwiches, OP.
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