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Liberals love the ACA but are aghast at the suggestion to take away their gold plated employer paid plans for ACA market plans. The best plans around in 2014-2015 for eastern Missouri are no longer offered because aetna hosed off from the market, instead you get a choice of cigna or centene salami slicing benefits as much as possible while capturing a gigantic premium subsidy on top of that. The result is people paying more for shittier coverage.
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Jan 3, 2018 20:53
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Xae posted:Other way around. Outside of euphoric technocrats like ezekiel Emanuel nobody expected employer paid insurance to go away, mostly because people hate employer paid insurance but also like their specific plan, especially if it’s a large group or generous self insured plan
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Jan 3, 2018 22:12
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Willa Rogers posted:The initial projections said that 22-23 million people would enroll in Exchange plans. The current year's figure is closer to 8 million--and that's with autoenrollment and doesn't count people who will never pay that first bill for their premiums. Pretty much. It’s a good tell that the law is most popular among middle class liberals who are mostly unaffected by it. For people relegated to an exchange plan it can be an exercise in frustration trying to understand why the focusedcare HPN plan costs more than the carelink plan
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Jan 4, 2018 00:04
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Democrazy posted:To focus on your point about Colorado, and ignoring your assertion about the progressive bonafides of an organization that provides affordable healthcare services to vulnerable populations, don’t you find it worrying that the proponents of single payer weren’t able to convince a majority of voters in a purple state? Regardless of whatever incentives politicians have to push against single payer, surely if voters are hungry for leftward change, they would want to reform the system. But instead nearly 79% of people who voted in Colorado soundly rejected the measure. The only explanations that make sense are that either the campaign or proposal was bad, or that people reject the idea outright. As someone who would favor Medicare For All, both explanations are concerning for me. It says that the advocates to the left on healthcare may not be doing enough to convince people. The entire democrat machine in CO put their thumbs on the scale to kill it, to the point where even my limousine liberal tech pals who live in Denver started to sound like red baiting Birchers about coloradocare. It’s a bit rich to kill something and then point to it’s corpse as evidence the people don’t want it.
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Jan 4, 2018 17:28
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Democrazy posted:Would you care to elaborate on that first point?Did the Colorado Democratic Party coerce or trick voters into voting no? They spread enough FUD about the law that it took me months of explaining in slack why every point the democrats made was disingenuous or wrong.
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Jan 4, 2018 17:33
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coloradocare was actually a really serious attempt to create a single payer system that would’ve met the objectives of universal coverage and cost control, which is precisely why the medical industry and their democrat buddies killed it. Just look at the goalpost shifting going on in this thread by serious liberals: “there’s no credible plan for single payer” moves to “it might be credible but why won’t people vote for it?”
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Jan 4, 2018 19:54
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Everyone pays; everyone gets care somehow offensive to liberals because they can’t stop virtue signalling about how they really care about the poors.
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Jan 4, 2018 20:05
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Instant Sunrise posted:an establishment dem: "oh I totally support single-payer healthcare. absolutely. definitely. just not that specific single payer proposal. or that one. or that other one. or that one. or really any specific single-payer proposal. but I totally support single payer" They were the same way about civil rights: "I think they deserve full equality, society just isn't ready for it yet, why are they marching and agitating that only hurts their cause"
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Jan 6, 2018 17:59
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Fluffdaddy posted:"Progressive" "Centrist" "Leftist" are all names white people use to blame each other for poo poo while not doing anything about white supremacy, so don't drag the Civil Rights movement into your leftist pissing contests cause it aint got poo poo to do with yall I agree 100%, not sure why you're mad at me for saying white people are dishonest snakes
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Jan 7, 2018 17:08
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Ytlaya posted:The key flaw in pieces like Wise's post is that they imply (or just state explicitly) that racism is a characteristic specific of the "white working class" rather than white people in general (regardless of income level). In that very post he gives a lot of stereotypes of rednecks and stuff, but the suburban and wealthy whites are at least as bad, and being educated doesn't prevent someone from being racist. White people are bad, regardless of income, education level, or political leanings is exactly correct
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Jan 13, 2018 03:57
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For what it's worth, the women of color I follow online drag white feminists because they make a big performative show about solidarity with women of color/poc in general while action-wise their main goals seem to be clawing some social power away from white men for themselves. Consider that Rose McGowan is literally making a second career off #MeToo despite that being a hashtag first conceived by women of color.
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Jan 13, 2018 05:49
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Yardbomb posted:All I've heard to this degree is she's doing a thing about sexual assault and economic injustice or something like that, so I don't know what I'm supposed to consider about that other than "It's good regardless"? Like yeah big surprise it's a white lady and all, but whoever gets to do it - I want to do it, because knowing this shithole country it just as easily could've gotten smothered instead, I dunno. Yeah that's the typical defense of whiteness from white liberals who steal the thunder from poc
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Jan 13, 2018 16:57
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steinrokkan posted:Are you more interested in labels, rhetoric, or consequences of their actions? The handed the GOP a system perfectly geared towards mass incarceration, welfare dismantling, immigrant hunting, unauthorized military adventures... The GOP couldn't have done a better job preparing the ground work for their agenda if they tried. Now, there is obviously more nuance on the micro level, but frankly nuanced differences in their policies didn't matter in the objective reality of what Democratic leadership under Obama achieved to prepare America for a long term stability and progress. Something these idiot white liberals either ignore or pretend to not acknowledge is that trump's current wave of deportations among cambodians and other refugee populations was made possible by Clinton vastly expanding the amount of crimes that make a legal immigrant eligible for deportation.
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Jan 14, 2018 20:55
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Boon posted:Her history as in the one time she leaked some stuff? That was pretty brave. So why do the other candidates histories prevent them from being a good candidate? I'm being disingenuous because I don't immediately latch onto name recognition and That one time when? So more rank neoliberalism is ok as long as the senator is black Hire 👏 more 👏 black 👏 robber 👏 barons
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Jan 15, 2018 16:08
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Reminds me of the guy in current affairs who wrote about the ghouls who liked Hamilton: nyt writers and other centrist detritus
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Jan 30, 2018 20:05
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All this will teach nonwhite people is that a white supremacist government cannot be trusted, no matter if the democrats or republicans are in charge
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Feb 9, 2018 17:57
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Let's not focus on the experience of middle class politically minded internet addicts. My entire immigrant family declined to vote for hillary in 2016. They don't really follow politics outside of what they see on the nightly news. They voted for obama twice and kerry before him. Virtually every person of color I've talked to outside of middle class, college educated poc declined to vote for Hillary in 2016. The issue isn't verbally abusing and disciplining a bunch of nerds on the internet, not when the democrats haven't done a drat thing to inspire regular people to come out and vote.
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Feb 10, 2018 01:37
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Tatsuta Age posted:Sounds like your family made a stupid fuckin decision, op I doubt it, white Democrats have never done anything for asian americans other than pander poorly for votes.
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Feb 10, 2018 04:58
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Tatsuta Age posted:No, I can assure you not voting is stupid I'm sure the majority of asian americans don't vote because they're stupid
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Feb 10, 2018 05:56
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It’s a hilarious story: both rice and nehlen were democrat committeemen and the council picked nehlen for that open seat. Rice then runs as an independent on the ballot and crushed nehlen despite the endorsement of the mayor and almost every city democrat in power. A small clique of elected progressives backed rice and went canvassing for weeks before the special election. Now that the establishment has been wounded they want to prevent this from happening again by expelling anyone from the party who endorses someone other than the handpicked candidate for office. St. Louis democrat politics is divided into 3 camps right now: legacy black and white political machines centered around a handful of crooked as poo poo families and a growing group of progressives who are mostly transplants from other parts of the country. Rice’s Ward is one of those areas undergoing high levels of gentrification from non-native St. Louis types.
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Feb 15, 2018 20:54
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Journey to the West on YouTube is a good podcast for asian american issues.
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Feb 17, 2018 20:44
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White people: make zoot suits illegal again!!!
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Feb 21, 2018 18:29
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Freakazoid_ posted:That reminds me of a fun story. Reminds me of the UAW guys here who would throw away a six figure salary because they couldn't not call their supervisor racial slurs.
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Feb 25, 2018 23:43
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You guys laugh but I know real life bona fide “smart people” who would love this. Same group of people think doubling the EITC should be enough to pull all the poors out of the most dire poverty. Third Way’s shuffling of deck chairs panders towards the NPR/pod save america demographic, not people with a brain.
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Mar 15, 2018 21:05
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Not all boomers are greedy old white people rubbing their hands boomerly while plotting the immiseration of their children
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Mar 15, 2018 22:30
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Chadderbox posted:How is support higher in AZ than WA? Imo places where a lot of young white liberals and techbros are moving are superficially liberal but bristle the moment something concrete is offered. All my friends who moved to colorado are obama/hillary voters and all of them voted against coloradocare in the last election, for example.
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Mar 27, 2018 06:04
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Karnegal posted:Yeah, there are a lot of "liberals" who really want to be libertarians, but recognize how loving racist the ideology is so they begrudgingly vote democrat while they hold out hope for those sweet tax breaks for people who are already doing fine. In theory everyone I know who voted against Coloradocare supports universal healthcare, but they also don’t want the poors to have it until they’ve earned it and don’t feel like being taxed for a plan to give everyone else generous insurance that they currently enjoy. This crosses racial lines too- a lot of them are woke poc who can parrot identity politics lines but also think MfA and free college are also “racist”
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Mar 27, 2018 15:37
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That means tested wonky bullshit is why people will reject it. Why should only the poors enjoy 100% cost sharing and not everyone else? Even if they set the standard at 90AV it would still outrageously high levels of cost sharing. My 90AV employer plan still has a $350 deductible and $3,350 out of pocket max.
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Mar 28, 2018 14:02
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Grognan posted:Lol at the dem primary being the gate-keeper of republican policy Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.
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Mar 29, 2018 04:23
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Jackson Taus posted:The McCabes are upper-middle-class but I wouldn't say they're necessarily "rich". Obviously Jill makes decent money as a doctor, but they've got two kids in middle/high school in an area with a high cost of living - I wouldn't count on them being financially secure enough to drop six figures on legal bills. Maybe don't donate money for the legal bills of secret police officials???
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Apr 1, 2018 17:42
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Groovelord Neato posted:they live in a 750k home and he inherited two properties from his mother. Truly the deserving HENRY class.
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https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/980334795870781441
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JeffersonClay posted:Except not means testing welfare programs means you give charity to rich and famous ex-feds, you're just willing to put up with that to address contemporary political reality. Exactly the same thing is true of creating a legal defense fund for federal employees who get fired for opposing Trump. Yes, in France billionaires with a child get a subsidy, even if 50 euros a month. As it turns out, you can means test and make programs universal. Who knew????
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Apr 2, 2018 02:55
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Can Asian leftists criticize Kamala Harris it is that against the rules too?
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Apr 2, 2018 22:43
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Ze Pollack posted:the base of the democratic party, as in the people whose opinions dictate its direction, are mostly a bunch of sheltered trust fund kids who pissed away the easiest layup in american political history because they figured the Reasonable Republican was a more reliable source of democratic votes than all those pesky minorities. This is 100% correct. The voters aren’t the democrat base. The base are the unions, activists, nonprofits, and foundations that push the slimy interests of the donor class while making sure any poo poo disturbing gets coopted and bought off with nonprofit/foundation money to keep them from pushing society left. At the highest levels the democrats don’t even care if they win or lose, capital can live with a rape and run republican regime but can’t live with actual people building socialism and solidarity.
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Apr 5, 2018 22:31
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For what it's worth most low income poc don't care about politics. The young poc who are poor I have talked to only really cared about bernie and not hillary because of free college and universal healthcare. A woman I know got charged $1000 for an abortion at democrat stronghold planned parenthood. Family planning clinics should be everywhere and these procedures should be free. Woke democrats of color will say that's racist and women of color love nothing more than the dignity of paying $1000 for an abortion.
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Apr 6, 2018 14:22
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:from the subtweets re @deray: A lot of the original Ferguson protestors here in st. louis are dead already. Many of them "found" by the police shot to death in burning cars. Hmmm.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:i'm all the angry people in the thread who think the kaiser family foundation is the same thing as kaiser permanente KFF subtly shits on single payer and shills for the ACA framework all the time, especially their Kaiser News Service wing that runs hitpieces on single payer
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