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JewKiller 3000 posted:yeah that's where i gave up. i thought about linking to the gnu coreutils manual or the powershell core module docs, but it's not like he wanted a serious answer to those questions I'm not a poor person so idk why i'd use gnu coreutils and powershell is for system administration, not development.
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Shaggar posted:I'm not a poor person so idk why i'd use gnu coreutils and powershell is for system administration, not development. ps does alright for build scripts. i guess the ps team took over development of psake which i really like for that sort of thing.
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psake, more like piss
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jony neuemonic posted:ps does alright for build scripts. i guess the ps team took over development of psake which i really like for that sort of thing. msbuild is dogshit so I guess yeah you might have to use it for build scripts, but that's on the build server, not on your dev machine .
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:an interactive shell based on electron: what's upterm
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:an interactive shell based on electron: uh, isn't a terminal emulator that can only run one shell p lovely? even xterm can run fish
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atomicthumbs posted:electron is a way to employ one web frontend developer to make a shoddy cross-platform app instead of employing several experienced application programmers to make real, functional apps
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:an interactive shell based on electron: looks really cool. another reason why web technologies are win
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JewKiller 3000 posted:are there though? ones that work on windows and mac and nerd linux and anroid linux and also/especially ios? with consistency across platforms that beats the web garbage? please please do tell again: rotor posted:the only reason to do it is if you absolutely, positively must have a web AND a desktop app and you need to do the desktop one as cheaply as humanly possible. feel free to wedge 'mobile" in there wherever you see fit. And I don't care about consistency. And if web apps have shown us anything at all, it's that customers don't either. They just want a nice UI that performs well and doesn't crap its pants all the time.
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literally every webapp in existence has it's own OK button and the combo boxes all act differently and there's zero people who give a poo poo.
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akadajet posted:why does vlc have to rebuild it's font cache every goddamn time it starts up? "lol do pcs still have to park their hard drives before you shut them down" - akadajet, trying to bring the most "relevant" burns to the table
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rotor posted:again: ok cool, go ahead and hire 5 anroid devs and 5 ios devs and 10 desktop browser devs, and pay out 5 million a year in salary, instead of having a single team of 5 build out the frontend for all platforms. let me know how hard your vp laughs in your face
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Sep 22, 2017 05:02
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JewKiller 3000 posted:ok cool, go ahead and hire 5 anroid devs and 5 ios devs and 10 desktop browser devs, and pay out 5 million a year in salary, instead of having a single team of 5 build out the frontend for all platforms. let me know how hard your vp laughs in your face you need two ui codebases, one in some desktop crossplatform language like wx, swing or qt, and one in one of the mobile ones, like cordova or whatever the other one is I can't remember. or, like I say, make a lovely loving app on the desktop and a bullshit webview client on mobile (which you'll likely shovel through cordova anyway because if you're at this stage why the gently caress not). The choices are, obviously, always about money. But don't give me this "hire 20 devs" bullshit because lmao.
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ok fine maybe i'm exaggerating. sure, a company could do what you said. but why, though? if you're going to make a "lovely loving app" for desktop and a "bullshit webview client" for mobile, and you've already fully accepted that it's all gonna suck, why not let some hungry college-junior interns translate the designer's .psd into the latest trendy javascript nonsense? they get paid barely anything, you get a solution that "works everywhere", and your recruiting benefits from mentioning how you work with those frameworks that the kids like!
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Sep 22, 2017 05:25
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man I'm just saying the apps will be lovely, I'm not saying it's a bad business decision, that's not my fuckin department
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Sep 22, 2017 05:26
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aye i'm just trying to explain why they persist in behaving this way, despite everyone with a brain and enough years of experience knowing that webshit is webshit
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Sep 22, 2017 05:29
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lancemantis posted:honestly most git syntax isn't really that awful compared to the abhorrent amalgamations of gawk, sed, grep, and others that I use to mangle data on a regular basis git: not as bad as awk
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i mean yeah that's true. sure. agreed.
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JewKiller 3000 posted:ok cool, go ahead and hire 5 anroid devs and 5 ios devs and 10 desktop browser devs, and pay out 5 million a year in salary, instead of having a single team of 5 build out the frontend for all platforms. let me know how hard your vp laughs in your face in my world, it will be illegal not to
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rotor posted:git: not as bad as awk that's what she sed
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refreshing to have rotor posting again! just pretend i emptyquoted everything he said
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rotor posted:git: not as bad as awk atomicthumbs posted:that's what she sed
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COACHS SPORT BAR posted:vs code deserves some praise for drinking sublimetext's milkshake and doing it for free, but lol it's a text editor that takes multiple seconds to start up on very fast hardware I've been fooling around with an 8MB Mac IIfx running System 6 and it's once again amazing to be reminded just what could be done on a system leaner than those that are in the average remote control these days the OS fit on 2-4 high density floppies, depending on whether you count the Network Software Installer (to install the Ethernet card driver) and MacTCP (for modern connectivity) Macintosh Common Lisp was another 2-3 floppies, depending if I wanted sources for most of it, and includes a fully programmable Zmacs-like editor that responds instantly when run on a 40 MHz 68030, and isn't unusably slow on an 8 MHz 68000 what I'm trying to say is that running everything atop web technologies is insanely bad because it leads to software that's worse than what we had nearly 30 years ago
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:emacs is the true path and all other editors are but stones underfoot on the way to emacs Zmacs is the true path, GNU emacs is just a pale imitation eschaton fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Sep 23, 2017 |
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eschaton posted:web technologies is insanely bad agreed, idiot hell fucker
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Sagebrush posted:agreeing with this BBEdit doesn't suck, it's a good editor why would you miss it though, it still exists and was just updated, and old versions still work great on old operating systems too
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mac only bbedit and spring-loaded folders are about the only things i really miss from the mac os, but they are big ones
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apparently bbedit is only $50 now? i seem to recall it being like $200 many years ago, am i misremembering?
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Mr. Nice! posted:ahem gnu emacs there are better emacs most were written by or with the people who created emacs rather than the maintenance programmer they hired when they had other poo poo to do
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AppKit and UIKit are sufficiently similar that you can very easily develop native applications that run on the only desktop and mobile platforms that matter
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Shaggar posted:msbuild is dogshit so I guess yeah you might have to use it for build scripts, but that’s on the build server, not on your dev machine . why would you use two different project formats for desktop builds versus server/CI builds? that's stupid.
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its still msbuild doing the building, but powershell is used for pre/post build stuff. msbuild is really loving bad and I hate it every day.
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eschaton posted:I've been fooling around with an 8MB Mac IIfx running System 6 and it's once again amazing to be reminded just what could be done on a system leaner than those that are in the average remote control these days only eight on a IIfx????? max that Blackbird out my man
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atomicthumbs posted:only eight on a IIfx????? max that Blackbird out my man find me eight 16MB IIfx SIMMs for a reasonable price and I will (also two 4MB SIMMs for the Display Card 8•24 GC that's in it)
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rotor posted:you need two ui codebases, one in some desktop crossplatform language like wx, swing or qt, and one in one of the mobile ones, like cordova or whatever the other one is I can't remember. doesn't React Native theoretically somewhat solve this problem (that of hiring only web developers)
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time for a public service announcement guys are you ready? emacs is good
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There Will Be Penalty posted:time for a public service announcement guys
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Jimmy Carter posted:doesn't React Native theoretically somewhat solve this problem (that of hiring only web developers) kinda not really sorta (which is why as far as I can tell react is the only js toolkit anyone is using anymore)
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i mean it's not like you just run your react website through a react native compiler and get an app out the other side but yeah
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eschaton posted:Zmacs is the true path, GNU emacs is just a pale imitation but zmacs is dead, and the pale imitation is alive and has a large community
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