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Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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SlothfulCobra posted:

I think he's technically competent as an artist, and maybe even some of his more recent trash shows experimentation with format even if it's expressing garbage ideas.

I dunno how old Ishida is, but adding 20 years onto however old he was when he started Sinfest, his change of heart seems less surprising. He might even be more at-risk for getting infected.

A quick googling says he was about 30 when he started sinfest, and is rounding 50 now.

Joe Slowboat posted:

Honestly I think his art has entered into a rut. These extended pastel-colored silent Sunday Strip size pages have been around for a while now, there's no experimentation with panel layouts or colors or even character designs. It's just been pared down to loudly declaring an unsubtle TERF-y point in which, usually, liberals are accused of forming a church around porn/vaccines/transition, no matter how little that makes sense.

Dude never stopped ripping off Calvin & Hobbes visually, and Kelly cartoons for character designs.

I always looked at him as more of a ripoff of Bloom County; Slick was basically Milo Bloom back before the concept of trans people hunted down and killed his dog with a high power sniper rifle.

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Neito
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Dawgstar posted:

That's always what I thought of it, Bloom County x Calvin and nowhere near as good as either.

Really the weird thing about it, to me at least, was that it was one of those waves of webcomics that desperately tried to mimic the newspaper/syndicated release model, with 6 dailies and a larger Sunday strip, usually unrelated to any ongoing plot. It just seemed like such a weird trend (PvP did that for a while too, IIRC).

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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habeasdorkus posted:

Questionable Content continues to be a cromulent, entirely inoffensive comic that I read every day.

If there's any comic that matches the admirably workmanlike standards of the funny pages, it's probably QC. Compare it with, say, Mary Worth or Apartment 3G, and it blows them out of the water. It doesn't have to be mindblowing, it just has to be human and occasionally funny.

He has his hiccups, but honestly QC is like checking in with my friend group every day. I'm emotionally invested in their success, and I'm shocked it hasn't turned into either porn or a right wing screed yet, and seems like it never will.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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We could talk about how Megatokyo is still going on and involves multiple named characters now being fox/kitsune girls.

Neito
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fun hater posted:

remember the kickstarter

There was some bullshit with the programmer for that apparently, but also the guy who can't commit to more than one strip per month decided to commit to a project that requires multiple unique art assets, so it was definitely an overreach.

Still, I can't bring myself to hate Megatokyo. It's the comic I come back to every few years, catch up on, and then forget until the next time there's a presidential election.

I personally don't think it's bad (though I'm a weeb, so take that for what it is), just bad for it's distribution model. If it came out in takobon style collections every two or three years I don't think the hate would be as strong.

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Mors Rattus posted:

That depends wholly on if it’s moved on from being about a dude’s magical dream girlfriend being sad in snow.

They banged like three years ago (twenty minutes in-universe time)

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Feb 18, 2009

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A lot of long-runners get weird because they're considered "staples", so nobody really checks on them, even when they turn into such jokes even the company that owns it signs off on a severe dunking on it (Spiderverse spoilers)

I think Dick Tracy has like moon people or something too, doesn't it?

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The Lone Badger posted:

I don't believe you. That'd be like saying Sluggy Freelance is still going.

I'm pretty sure MT actually updated sometime within the last 30 days.

IDK, all I know is my omnibuses stop sometime before I went to college, I've had a degree for five years, and we still don't have the next volume out.

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Feb 18, 2009

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Dawgstar posted:

Dick Tracy's arc is interesting. From pulp crime where the most advanced things were the two-way radio watches to adventures on the moon to the strip doing its level best to distance itself as far from that as possible to who knows what now.

And just like straight up death right on the comic's page. It's been a while since I've seen a Dick Tracy strip, but wasn't he regularly just gunning people down?

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Twenty Four posted:

Oh neat, thanks! This reminded me that webtoons (ugh) is a thing, which caused me to check if another good but very different comic hosted by them was back, and after about a year break, it turns out it is!

Love Advice From The Great Duke Of Hell has returned and is even more weird, goofy, and bizarre then ever. Still love the art!

Is webtoons persona non grata? I know there's some fetishy stuff on there, but most of it is fairly ok from my quick view on things, though I mostly only read MGNB and Let's Play on there.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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I mean, I just find them on MangaDex, but their format is reletively unique so you can tell it's a Line Brand Webtoon Experience.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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I'll jump on the grenade of being the Tech Explainer here.

SSL, which stands for Secure Socket Layer if you care, is a method of encrytping traffic between your browser and the server. It also serves the purpose of verifying that a website is who they say they are; for example, SomethingAwful has a certificate signed by CloudFlare saying "Yes, this is that dumbass site that Rich made where you used to be able to download porn MPGs". This is to prevent poo poo like sending people to payp41.com and stealing their credentials.

The problem is likely your setup. You look like you're serving everything in such a way that it can look like everything's hosted on mda.wtf, but your cert is for *.cfw.me, which is I presume a previous domain you had? Or maybe one of ComicFury's things? And so the browser goes "I've seen this trick before!" and throws up the warning.

I wouldn't say that this is "future-unproofing"; the content is still there, and can be seen semi-trivially (I was able to see your site with just "mda.wtf" in chrome) and, more importantly, can be archived for future generations to enjoy and/or mock. It's still THERE, and Internet Archive still archives it, so it'll be available in some form or another.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Pretty much just don't run wordpress or make your password "password" and you're better than like 40% of websites.

Neito
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girl dick energy posted:

:laffo: What the gently caress

'swhat happens when your premier product was created after the Fukishima disaster and then all the otaku rush to you because you put Pop Team Epic on a few stickers.

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Huh. Gurps is still around?

People still play Gurps?

Someone thought enough about Gurps to make a Girl Genius Gurps sourcebook?

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Solitair posted:

This was me as a teenager. I don't have much experience with actual tabletop play.

Same. I still have Slayers D20 and BESM TriStat around here somewhere.

Neito
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My big question is that there was definitely some sort of point made about food early that just seems to have been dropped that I'm wondering about.

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Oxxidation posted:

if you mean the poisoning, that's to keep the Status Red citizens from being able to scavenge food from other people's trash. for some reason the cops don't kill disharmonious citizens, they force their kids to commit suicide, unperson them, and let them starve

I got the Poisoning the food thing, but it seemed early on there was a thing about eating being at least semi-performative?

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Bobulus posted:

Maybe I missed something, but it seemed less like they 'suddenly' forced those specific kids to commit suicide, and more that all the kids died off years ago and part of the social structure is allowing/forcing the parents to forget that this happened. They live in the desperate hope of somehow, someday, being reunited, without a clear path to actually doing this. It seems like they can't even remember their kids' names without some sort of external memory aid, like Charlotte's drawing. The threat of Red Status is less that the kids will suddenly die, as much as the parents will be forced to remember how pointless everything is.

There's also something going on with names. When Maggie's murdering Tom, he says "Their names are Peter and Davy" and Maggie says "Their names were Charlotte and Charlie" that I'm sure will get expanded upon at some point.

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rannum posted:

I assumed those were Tom's kids
Tom is trying to appeal to Maggie to not die, or to at least have someone remember his kids and she retorts with the guy & child he just ruiend a few weeks prior without a thought.


Yeah, that makes sense. I thought either that, or that they were Maggie and Sam's kids names, and he was trying to make a deal/bribe her for his life..

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Safari Disco Lion posted:

I really, really don't think it's based on nebulous "web analytics" bogeymen more than it's just based on Webtoons being mobile first and the whole continuous scrolling thing works a lot better up and down than side to side for reading on a phone with one hand.

There are plenty of webtoons that make use of the format, where having the continuous scroll rather than broken up panels means you can force the reader to pause for a moment before a reveal or to draw out an uncomfortable silence. Everything Is Fine has a lot of those. It's a control of the flow of time, which comics don't otherwise really have with panels and pages since it can be very hard to control paths of eye movement or how fast the reader goes. With Webtoons the reader is forced to go up to down at a relative pace, going from top to bottom. It does however lose the main advantage of panel/page based comics, which is the page turn giving a sudden shock effect.

Also, you can see when people step out of line their left eye turns red for a moment. I don't think this is the helmet/Big Brother asserting any sort of control or playing back a memory, I think it's a camera showing them their kids at that moment in some way. The more nebulous threat of "well make you see/remember what happened to your kids you know are already dead" doesn't make as much sense to me as "see your kids being happy and healthy out here? We'll throw them off a building if you change the subject." Sam/Maggie and Linda/Bob refer to their kids actively several times as though they're trying to see them again, whereas Charlie's meeting with the rebel woman refers to their kids as already gone. I don't think having it be as formless as "we just want to forget" would be a very good reveal (not to mention a complete and utter ripoff of We Happy Few) or motivation for the characters, who are willing to do terrible things to stay ahead in life. The looming threat of their children's lives is way more concrete and relatable.

There's also something going on with the characters being completely unable to acknowledge death in any way, except for Officer Tom. The most obvious was Winston, but in the little drawing Charlotte did of her and Charlie, there's an angel there too that probably refers to her mother/Charlie's wife. Charlie and the people around him never make any reference to this though. She had to have passed away before all of this stuff started, since we know it's only been a few years at most and Charlie wouldn't have that drawing otherwise.


Sam as Tom puts something called a "Red Eye ban" on the other two that seems to physically in some way prevent them from reporting something. The mood Bob was in wasn't rational, so I doubt something like that could've stopped him

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What webcomic has the highest ratio of updates to in-universe time past?

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I'd say that's the highest ratio of Real world to in universe time, but would it be updates to in-universe time do you think?

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girl dick energy posted:

Does Penny Arcade's sense of humor staying in 2006 for fifteen years count?

Eh, I don't mind Penny Arcade. Part of that may be the halo effect from PAX, but it's worth a check every few days.

Osmosisch posted:

Subject warning: parental mortality

I've been really pleasantly surprised by how real Scott Kurtz has been getting with his Mort strips. I mostly checked my PvP bookmark out of inertia, but as someone who's getting to the age where this subject it's relatable, it's been hitting pretty well for me.



I feel like Scott's at his best when either A) he's tapping deep into a personal emotional well or B) when he's being pushed outside his safe boundries, like the Blamations he did with Straub. When he's allowed to play in his safe little pen with his Jade and Brent dolls, he tends to stay safer than he should, humor-wise.

Neito
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Every time I see a Nedroid I get two good laughs. One from the punchline of the comic in front of me, and one from my urge to go back and read the giant robot one on the basketball court.

Was he the one doing the colors for Squirrel Girl?

Neito
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You know what's wild? Not only does User Friendly still exist, but there's still people active in it's weird not-a-forum under each comic.

Like I know we joke about SA being dead, but that's just surreal to me.

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Antigravitas posted:

It's still just re-runs, right?

Yeah. Which is what makes people sticking around a bit more wild to me.

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shirts and skins posted:

I really liked Problem Sleuth, and when it wrapped up Hussie started this strange, ambitious new project...

Same, but I bounced off during the prologue. It was such a slow burn establishing poo poo I couldn't keep caring.

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It was also something of a CYOA right before and then during the peak moments when that was popular, but before everyone and their sister was doing one.

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ConanThe3rd posted:

Not to disrespect their efforts but that sounds like a very, very bad idea.

We follow him weekly over in Polititoons and however unhinged you think he is, he's probably worse.

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Hostile V posted:

The reader on Twitter or the creator of Sinfest?

The Sinfest creator, sorry for the ambiguity.

Neito
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Dawgstar posted:

Didn't Kurtz make a big stab at trying to be syndicated for a while, only to be repeatedly told 'no thank you?'

Kurtz has played both sides of that debate, for no small reason due to his absolute adoration of Schultz, his father's same, and the time period. That said there's at least one strip where he describes getting syndicated with the visual metaphor of taking a speedboat to hop on the sinking Titanic, so he's likely no longer trying.

I never hated PVP and kinda like it at points. Same with Penny Arcade. The worst of it is still alrightish to me, but I'm very much it's target audience.

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I've never had much issue with the Webtoon Method. But there's only like two or three comics I follow there so it's more like a minor annoyance than a recurring issue. Also I use Tachiyomi to read anything, which does seem to format it better.

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SlothfulCobra posted:

40 years ago, his only problem would've been the content being too edgey and possibly explicit. Now, newspapers are dying and it's not really possible for new people to get syndicated into comic strips.

Which is kinda sad, since it was an important format with a lot of history, and I feel like there's still sort of an audience for daily bite-sized comics, but all the business models for that have died out. Even the idea of a website that you generate money from traffic is on the ropes after the rise of social media where people don't feel like clicking through to independent websites. Patreon setups require your audience be much more invested in to...literally invest into, so it can't really sustain lighter content (and I suppose a lot of classic webcomics may have relied on regularly dipping into semi-serious narrative storylines to keep people dipping into the archives).

The last new strip I'm aware of is maybe... Phoebe and her Unicorn? And before that Pearls Before Swine? And a new artist on Mark Trail and Nancy.

I think a lot of it is that the syndicates had an era where they could've brought in fresh talent and refreshed the fanbase but decided to triple down on legacy comics and use the few weird bullshit art pieces as justification for not going deeper (did you know Zippy the Pinhead is still loving going?).

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SlothfulCobra posted:

That didn't start out as a webcomic, it was just Brian Clevinger doing a proper, printed indie comic after finishing up his webcomic, and then it later got put on the internet for free (the Girl Genius route). I think there was something where a top guy at Atomic Robo's publisher made fun of a congresswoman getting shot, and Clevinger decided to cut ties. Not that much different from Chris Hastings ending up writing Gwenpool.

There's been a lot of webcomics that went into print, I don't know what one sold the most. I think the biggest case of a webcomic directly birthing a print comic that sold as individual paper issues as well as trades is Giant Days coming out of Scary Go Round.

I guess it's a shame that the biggest comic companies in the US are so insular and focused on continuing their own IPs rather than hunting out creators who are having some kind of success with their own original ideas and boosting them. The webcomic artists who do have success in creative fields after leaving webcomics had to work their way up from the ground floor.

They at least give them chances on the more experimental properties. I think Ryan North did colors for the latest Squirrel Girl run that was loving amazing.

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Antigravitas posted:

RIP userfriendly.

Did he give any reason why, or just "Eh, well, sucks".

I'm of mixed opinions. ON the one hand, it's not like it was relevant even at the time it went into perma-repeats, let alone now; on the other hand, I'm never a fan of parts of internet history going dark.

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A Wizard of Goatse posted:

jerked off to trans porn one day and transferred all his self-loathing about his porn addiction onto the gender wars

Poor tatty, saw a girldick and terf'd.

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Kennel posted:

Wow, it's still updating (roughly 1.5 times/year)

Someone mentioned upthread that the Ramoonsar was getting more money making bespoke VG Catz furry porn than he was from the comic.

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If you can stand linetoon format My Giant Nerd Boyfriend and Let's Play are pretty OK in my book.

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girl dick energy posted:

I almost want to feel bad for these kinds of people, that well of self-hate must run DEEP.

It's a lot of internalized homophobia, guilt, and "maybe they'll think I'm one of the good ones"-itis.

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