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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

I hate webcomics.

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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Nuns with Guns posted:

Eh, it works.


Also if there's going to be a new thread, shouldn't the first posts be updated instead of a copy/paste of the last two threads' first posts? The webcomic IRC channel has been dead for aeons.

like half the webcomics in it are years dead and still there's no Monster Pop!

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Death Ray posted:

I wouldn't mind some constructive criticism on my current project Kobayashi Maru. Like my previous major project, Weapon Brown, I am beginning it as a webcomic with the dream of turning it into a comic book series. All comments welcome, (except those that mock my tiny genitals. See? Beat you to it! Why even go there? No woman will!)

The premise (which I am still trying to turn into an elevator pitch) is "What if the Start Trek TV show was just propaganda in a genuine Start Trek future? Here's what that universe would actually be like."



I haven't seen enough of Kobayashi so far to say whether I'm gonna like it, but "what if the Star Trek Federation was a bureaucratic, officious mess instead of perfect" is such incredibly trodden ground that really I hope there's a lot more to it than that, and there hasn't been so far. I really like a lot of your comics (Clarissa is a thing of nauseating perfection), but IMO your best work is when you go beyond chaining together pop culture jokes to start really getting weird with it, and 15-year-old Joss Whedon sloppy seconds ain't that.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Sep 18, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

GlyphGryph posted:

Please do not get people hooked on comics that seem good but are consistently on indefinite hiatus. This comic is a foul trick, do not fall for it!

This is the thread for comics that are either good but updated semiannually at best or absolutely godawful and consistently updating on the same weekly schedule for the past ten years

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Pavlov posted:

*AHEM* I think you mean The Artist Formerly Known as John Campbell.

I think you mean Basic Income Please

while I'm sad it ended that was really less a comic "just stopping" before its time and more the comic about nihilistic depression was one of the rare few that did all it was intended to do and finally wrapped up at a satisfying natural conclusion, and a much better one than the one everyone expected of Basic Income Please killing Basic income Pleaseself

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Sep 20, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

PMush Perfect posted:

I think it worked well as a one-off line, but keeping it going in the second paragraph instead of moving forward made it lose some of the punchiness. There's no such thing as a 'funny background event' in a written format, you have to get that effect through short, quick, off-handed descriptions.

Edit I think the fundamental difference between comics and novels is that reading the written word is an inherently linear experience. Unless you've taught yourself to do it, there's no way to comfortably 'glance through' a couple boring pages. It feel jarring. By the same token, you can't really pore over the structure and vocabulary choice in each individual sentence (unless you're a Tolkien fan, or stunningly pretentious), so there's not a lot of way to hid background detail.

A comic can draw a gun on a mantelpiece, and then have it pulled off later with no direct mention of it. In a book, there would have to be at least one line of description explicitly about the gun's existence, so the reader can end up being much more actively aware that it's important. It's just an inherent part of the medium. Most of Hallia's old gags never would have worked because by acknowledging her existence as a background character you are, inherently, arresting the primary development for a moment.

To use a clumsy metaphor, writing is a winding uphill road and comics are a parking lot. You try to drive around one the way you'd drive around the other, and you're going to have a lot of trouble getting from A to B without turning your narrative into a crumpled wreck of twisted metal.

uh there's absolute tons of writing that manages plenty of background detail, you just don't interrupt the flow of the action to dwell on something unless you want to alert the reader that this is narratively significant.

for genre fiction, IDK, Morbi maybe take a look at Neuromancer. Never loses the flow of the narrative, never uses the Tolkien blowhard exposition dump format but still paints such an extremely vivid picture that people have made scores of absolutely identical-looking and -feeling movies knocking it off. Everything it does, it does in word choice and brief descriptors right in the flow of the action.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

are you implying that the shortcomings of Poppy O' Possum the web novel are from trying and failing to be Paradise Lost or just kind of snitting that someone would dare mention a lowly pulp novel author in the webcomics thread

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

neogeo0823 posted:

How about Unsounded? Ashley Cope manages to add world details into the story in a way that makes sense to people both reading and being part of the story, and has a separate wiki/github/whatever that she nerds out on the minute background details at.

Unsounded A of all: is a webcomic, and doesn't need to interrupt the flow of the narrative to describe the setting or minor gags to you and 2 of all: does so anyway, constantly and at tremendous length.

It's not a bad comic but pacing and verbal economy are not among its strengths. Don't write like Cope does.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Pavlov posted:

I'm not knocking you about pronouns. I'm still not sure what their gender situation is. If they properly transitioned at some point it's hard to tell, because it happened in the middle of some weird emotional break/avant-garde performance art piece. I just remember them saying that John Campbell wasn't their name anymore, without giving a replacement, then later announcing their name to be "Basic Income Please". I could never quite tell if they were serious about that or not.

Basic Income Please was explicitly clear that Basic Income Please's pronouns are Basic Income Please/Basic Income Please/Basic Income Please. You're clearly doing it on purpose at this point and it's very hurtful.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

FactsAreUseless posted:

This is a little bit brilliant

when's the last time you were watching porn and thought to yourself "wow, I'd really like to see this team again in in a non-porn context. Maybe they could discuss their feelings of inadequacy"

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Pavlov posted:

Hey you should put Bunny Meat in the goon comic section. I'd describe it as "Reader submitted childhood traumas as reenacted by rabbits."

jesus that new one

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Dogwood Fleet posted:

I thank God every day that I didn't have the talent or drive to be an artist. Working for the man is pretty great, really.

I've been an artist for a living and if you have the option to hold down an office job and do that poo poo as a hobby instead of what you rely on to stay alive, and don't, you're completely out of your loving mind

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Sep 26, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Begemot posted:

I've never noticed the off-model stuff, and honestly don't see what the big deal is? Like the only thing people say is that it's "unprofessional" but the rationale seems perfectly reasonable. It's only obsessive weirdos who are gonna be comparing relative heights across episodes anyway.

Relative size is a handy visual cue that helps viewers tell characters apart without relying overly on the limited pool of consistent signature differences you care to adhere to (this is the Only Red Guy in my show. nobody else can ever wear red or they'll be indistinguishable from the Red Guy), and is absolutely vital to giving a sense of spatial relations in a 2D medium. This may be less of a big deal in a series where everyone is Red Triangle Guy or Blue Oval Girl and they all just sit around in a void talking forever (I've never watched Steven Universe and never will)

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Sep 30, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

That'd be kind of relevant to giving a sense of scale! A skyscraper is much taller than two houses, and anything that huge will tend to kind of define any form of surrounding space (which is presumably also very large!) and be a major reference point by which people understand it and interpret movement through it, whether or not they're both also bigger than a person. If a townhouse is just a bit bigger than an airplane next to it, OK, you're looking at a 747. If the Empire State Building is just a bit bigger than the airplane next to it, I guess you're looking at some kind of bizarre scientologist end-of-the-world event

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Sep 30, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014


well that's the worst thing I've ever seen

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Typical Pubbie posted:

A healthy industry is where lovely artists make 6 figures while good artists make sub minimum wage, got it

If we're going to call any creative field healthy absolutely

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

poor Tycho, forevermore a cylinder

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

pretty positive at this point TAZ is never coming back, Spike's moved on to other and biggerthings

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

running her own publishing company. Usually she contributes to the content too.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Fangz posted:

I seriously hate Annie's dad. And not in any sort of fun way. He's just so consistently tedious, and the way other characters react to him does consistent damage to what ever themes or character traits the story has built up thus far. And the writing is just so unconvincing these days.

Sure, on paper stuff has happened. But it's somehow incredibly hard to give a poo poo. The resolution to Jeanne's arc was the dampest of squibs.

he was pretty interesting at the beginning of his comeback as a harbinger of the kids actually having to contend with and defer to adult authority instead of ignoring it to go on escapist adventures. It added some actual humanity to the story that just isn't there in a story where Harry Potter can just wave his wand and whisk away from the Dursleys, who he never had any emotional attachment to anyway, to go gently caress around with magical puzzles. Unfortunately of all the interesting directions the comic could go with that, the Antimony conception origin story was not one of them.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

I feel like you could've cut away at the doll bit and left it exactly as clear that Friderich's in for a bad day idk

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

the erfworld guy just realized his audience was tuning in for the pop culture references and illegible rules lawyering about rules he makes up on the spot, not the audience insert slob

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

FunkyAl posted:

amazon realize they are suspended in midair over the grand canyon and the effects of gravity begin to take place, so to speak

sure hope you're hosting it on your own server then because lol

SlothfulCobra posted:

Tumblr is currently owned by Verizon, so I think they'll be alright for a while, but Twitter has been losing money consistently for a while, and I don't know how long that can last. For some reason it just keeps on becoming more culturally significant.

Remember like a decade ago when everybody who was doing anything online had either a Livejournal or a Myspace

social media platforms are a fad thing with a set lifespan and it's no big to transition between them, but Amazon and Google own enough of the Internet that if they go down it won't matter what you do

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Oct 22, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

if the Baby Bells start croaking your optimal webcomics hosting plan is to train a fleet of carrier pigeons to deliver your comic to your fans in exchange for canned food

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

yeah they could make it pretty profitable again pretty quickly if they needed to but they've been working for the last few years to Walmart every remaining retail business in the country, hence all the emphasis on otherwise ruinously expensive poo poo like the two-day shipping and drone crap

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

ah, my fanart of the warner brothers

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

amigolupus posted:

I'm going to trust Mildred and that she can get out of this. Either Tim shows her proof he's got a dangerous invention and gets thrown to jail, or he proves he's an even more of a terrible person by flirting with her and she gets him sent to jail for that. Either way, that'd be the end for Tim.

Well, that or Mildred tells Neil and he breaks Tim in half.

he kind of just sat back and watched her crawl all over Eustace

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Stormgale posted:

Poppy stuff
I guess but I mean, Bird boss was not exactly beyond messing up their village just because and while Petunia's actions make sense the fact we as an audience know that it is reaching Super villain with super magic dragon blood territory is kinda making Petunia's attitude seem more frustratingly short sighted than dramatic.

It's not a deal breaker just i'm not really feeling this scene and i'm trying to figure out why.

there's a plutocrat in your actual real government who's bought entire an entire political party under the table and used their power to sell control of the country's uranium mines to its enemies for bribes and you're arguing about webcomics instead of out in the streets soooo

Chicadino's scheme to corner the market on magical oil/uranium is, like, bad, but it's mostly bad for reasons only Poppy and Kit really care about (exploiting the possum underclass) or that literally no characters know about and the readers have only seen hinted at (some kind of vague connection to an evil wizard conspiracy), whereas Petunia getting kicked out of her home alongside everyone she's responsible for is sort of an immediately relevant thing for her, and she's been given the option to not just let it happen for the sake of some vague political bullshit she's got no part of. If your bank told you to go counterprotest some hippies or they'd foreclose on your mortgage immediately, you gonna move into a tent?

It's sort of been a longrunning thing in the comic that most of the characters except Poppy are happy beneficiaries of a deeply hosed up status quo, and even where they're not pumped about it they stand to lose everything they've got by fighting the system.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Nov 3, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

I find petty and shortsighted characters unrelatable because I don't need to actually have anything at stake for me to rush to the defense of awful people, merely the opportunity to deploy a zinger I heard a blog use against an imaginary guy from the bad team

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Nuns with Guns posted:

I know you wouldn't have any way of knowing this, but stormgale isn't from the USA

Name a country then, if you think there's one where some gangster isn't trying to lowkey subvert the state and take anything of value that it holds, and a solid middle-class constituency that either openly cheers for them or personally dislikes them but lends them material support regardless.

That is the stakes in the story, it's not some manichean battle of good and evil against the shadowy anime villain and his henchgoons who're threatening to disrupt the status quo; all the well-meaning bourgeois characters are also ultimately on his side, whether they know it or not, because he is the status quo that they depend on for the little things that make up their lives, whether that's the money to keep their homes or just a sense of belonging. That's a conflict that could be papered over so long as the underclass protagonist didn't openly challenge the system and it all just came down to personal niceness at no real expense to themselves, now it can't be. Petunia's the most ideologically bougie character in the comic, but Boris straight up feeds off of popularity, he's gonna stay a rebel when word gets out that he's housing terrorists?

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Nov 4, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

I thought Hiveworks was basically just Keenspot with basic quality control and less entertaining people at the helm

JethroMcB posted:

There's going to be a LOT of weird stuff for that kid when they discover their dad is Tim Buckley. Photos of his junk on the Internet, for example.

let he who has not permanently engraved his tackle on the internet cast the first stone

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

khy posted:

See now I have this thought in my mind, "Imagine if somehow people around her knew that this was said."

Like can you imagine being well-known for being the person who threatened to engulf the US President with your Vagina and what other people's reactions to it would be?

I sincerely hope that Avshalom is as much a hero in her hometown as she is in my heart

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Mr Phillby posted:

How do you get to the point were your inspirational quotes comic repeatedly advicates murder? Surely theres a better message about dealing with being the victim of child abuse than "keep it secret, murder your abuser in 20 years".

his whole thing is taking quotes from some Barnes and Noble Book Of Memorable Quotes and adding imagery he thinks is "cool" around them, which tends to be about as profoundly thought out as you'd expect from a guy who does that for years

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

it's easy to imagine the guy photoshopping Einstein quotes onto stock photos of waves on the beach for your spinster aunt's inspirational calendar just does it for easy money and has actual interests outside work, but Gavin is laboring for hours over every page of this poo poo in his free time, it's his insipid magnum opus

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

It's the other, less noteworthy kind of ZP where instead of drawing "epic" fantasy violence over an Einstein quote he just simply transcribes exactly what the words describe, adding nothing?

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

I am a goon-made comic. Guess which one

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

yeah but what of the people who make terrible comics, check your talent privilege

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Zerilan posted:

I think kazerad still posts? Then there's people like the Fanboys guy who actively tried to improve after hearing a bunch of criticism here. There's probably few cases of people leaving due to negatively rather than just losing interest.

Kate Beaton and IIRC someone else good (Meredith Gran?) legit got creeped clean off the forums but I don't think that'd qualify as "too much criticism"

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Android Blues posted:

It's weird that the reader knows that Little Claire did an arson once, but the Mystery Kids don't.

"once"

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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Rand Brittain posted:

My insistence that Time Dad is actually future Tim continues to pay off.

AND still really Tim's dad

That or it's the kid they just had

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