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yronic heroism posted:Nah they failed bigly. I can walk and chew gum at the same time. It's too bad this thread focuses so much on psychoanalyzing other goons and posting stupid poo poo about how Democrats in the Senate should have booed McCain or whatever (thus ensuring that there would not be 51 no votes to ACA repeal, but I guess it's too much to ask that we acknowledge cause and effect anymore). Yeah that's nice. Remember when you were desperately trying to underplay Corbyn's gains last thread? 
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I'm glad the Democratic Party has actual vision for public high-speed internet instead of more cynical garbage that toes the same line for Comcast they've been treading for years. It's thrilling to see them genuinely looking out for people instead of using superficially new deal rhetoric to mask the same approach they take with tax credits and simply throw money at ISPs with the expectation that they'll do anything other than act like complete loving assholes.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:18
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It's odd to see leftists masturbate over the supposed victory of "absolute boy" Corbyn when Labour is not in power and the party is deliberately keeping mum over Brexit because Corbyn actually is for exiting the EU.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:20
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shrike82 posted:It's odd to see leftists masturbate over the supposed victory of "absolute boy" Corbyn when Labour is not in power and the party is deliberately keeping mum over Brexit because Corbyn actually is for exiting the EU. he's the absolute boy, killed the conservative majority, and surpassed all expectations. if elections were held today labour would win
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Sep 29, 2017 03:23
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I'm personally against destroying a country's economy to keep out illegals but who am I to argue with leftists
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Sep 29, 2017 03:23
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corbyn campaigned to stay in the EU but ok whatever man
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Sep 29, 2017 03:24
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Heaps of Sheeps posted:308,000 DEMOCRATS- more then 3 times Nader's total voters - voted for Bush. What the gently caress is wrong with you people? Hmm yes if only other Democrats had said Bush is bad some old racist white people would have decided to believe that instead of What they decided, which was Bush was okay. Also Gore campaigned really hard against Bush's tax cuts to the 1%, as those of you who were politically conscious at the time (i am guessing not many) will recall.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:25
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Heaps of Sheeps posted:308,000 DEMOCRATS- more then 3 times Nader's total voters - voted for Bush. What the gently caress is wrong with you people? Most of those people were old white conservative Democrats who think Wallace did nothing wrong. Why do you think we should chase after them?
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Sep 29, 2017 03:26
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Yandat posted:he's the absolute boy, killed the conservative majority, and surpassed all expectations. if elections were held today labour would win Elections aren't being held today so that is a meaningless metric.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:28
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karthun posted:Most of those people were old white conservative Democrats who think Wallace did nothing wrong. Why do you think we should chase after them? Because if you pander to your own base, "one person is one vote". BUUUT If you swing a moderate Republican, the GOP loses a vote, and you gain one simultaneously; that's like, TWO VOTES PER PERSON!!1! 
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Sep 29, 2017 03:30
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So Democrats just neglected to point out that Gore was to the left of Bush, right? And those 300,000 became confused?
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Sep 29, 2017 03:33
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yronic heroism posted:Elections aren't being held today so that is a meaningless metric. god you really are a piece of poo poo aren't you
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yronic heroism posted:So Democrats just neglected to point out that Gore was to the left of Bush, right? And those 300,000 became confused? No, Al Gore was well to the left of Bush, those Democratic voters were far to the right of Bush. They were southern white supremacists who supported Jim Crow. They would have proudly voted for trump. And Heaps of Sheeps thinks we need to bring them back into the Democratic tent; gently caress that ,gently caress them and gently caress him. Here is a bunch of Democrats that Heaps of Sheeps wants to chase after. 
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Sep 29, 2017 03:38
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karthun posted:Most of those people were old white conservative Democrats who think Wallace did nothing wrong. Why do you think we should chase after them?
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shrike82 posted:I'm personally against destroying a country's economy to keep out illegals but who am I to argue with leftists If you're going to troll, at least get the most basic of your facts straight.  Disgusting!
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Sep 29, 2017 03:40
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Yandat posted:god you really are a piece of poo poo aren't you Nice meltdown
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Sep 29, 2017 03:41
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Yandat posted:god you really are a piece of poo poo aren't you No but if you resort to an ad hominem that quick, I guess you probably are. It's like saying X Centrist Democrat would beat Trump today. It's a totally pointless exercise and anyone in this thread would call that out.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:42
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karthun posted:No, Al Gore was well to the left of Bush, those Democratic voters were far to the right of Bush. They were southern white supremacists who supported Jim Crow. They would have proudly voted for trump. And Heaps of Sheeps thinks we need to bring them back into the Democratic tent; gently caress that ,gently caress them and gently caress him. Nobody in this thread is making that argument, they're only being brought up as a counter to the narrative about how third party voters are at fault for democrat losses. After all, how can you attack third party voters when your own party members are voting directly against you? It wasn't meant to be a discussion about who's votes to chase but an argument about why attacking third party voters specifically doesn't make much sense.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:43
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yronic heroism posted:No but if you resort to an ad hominem that quick, I guess you probably are. lol did you really just complain about an ad hom. shut up you dead inside centrist dork
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Sep 29, 2017 03:43
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Lol effectronica is that you?
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Sep 29, 2017 03:44
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Is brexit really something that the left is going to own? I mean yeah the EU is full of neoliberals and imperialists but there can't really be anyone who believes that Britain, free of the yoke of its continental masters, will finally go full communist??
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Sep 29, 2017 03:45
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who's owning brexit as 'left' other than torpor?
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Sep 29, 2017 03:46
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gowb posted:Is brexit really something that the left is going to own? I mean yeah the EU is full of neoliberals and imperialists but there can't really be anyone who believes that Britain, free of the yoke of its continental masters, will finally go full communist?? No. The fact that Corbyn campaigned on staying in the EU is proof of this.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:47
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sirtommygunn posted:Nobody in this thread is making that argument, they're only being brought up as a counter to the narrative about how third party voters are at fault for democrat losses. After all, how can you attack third party voters when your own party members are voting directly against you? It wasn't meant to be a discussion about who's votes to chase but an argument about why attacking third party voters specifically doesn't make much sense. Indeed I would never want a candidate to attack third party voters. It is up to the fellow voters to remind any rational person considering a Stein vote "don't be that guy" and point to an anti-vaxxer.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:47
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Majorian posted:No. Regardless of what he campaigned on, last I heard Corbs was all about leaving the EU.
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Sep 29, 2017 03:48
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anyway the cause of brexit was austerity loving up the UK, because when things go to poo poo and there's no positive left alternative people tend to get attracted towards reactionary poo poo because it offers answers
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gowb posted:I mean yeah the EU is full of neoliberals and imperialists Isn't that enough of a reason? I mean the working folk are not exactly the target beneficiaries of the EU.
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and yeah it matters who has momentum and what polling is now, how elections have gone since. it's not in some contextless void that people like what labour is saying against the evil tory status quo
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Sep 29, 2017 03:51
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Brexit has nothing to do with "the left". The referendum was inaugurated by a Conservative government who thought Remain would win and therefore foolishly promised that the government would treat the referendum as the will of the British people and pledged to carry it out whatever the outcome. And then the Brexiteers bamboozled the people with a bunch of dumb lies. Blaming the Parliamentary minority for not casting some meaningless symbolic vote to try to subvert democracy is fuckin dumb. If you're mad about Brexit, be mad at the people who caused the whole mess.
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Torpor posted:Isn't that enough of a reason? I mean the working folk are not exactly the target beneficiaries of the EU. One of the appeals of leftism, for me, is the concept of labor being able to move as freely as capital. That's why the EU seems to be a natural fit for the left, despite the people at the top. VitalSigns posted:Brexit has nothing to do with "the left". The referendum was inaugurated by a Conservative government who thought Remain would win and therefore foolishly promised that the government would treat the referendum as the will of the British people and pledged to carry it out whatever the outcome. And then the Brexiteers bamboozled the people with a bunch of dumb lies. Nobody is blaming the left for it! Just that Corbyn has pulled a bit of a 360 on it, and some guy was championing it in here from the leftist perspective.
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karthun posted:No, Al Gore was well to the left of Bush, those Democratic voters were far to the right of Bush. They were southern white supremacists who supported Jim Crow. They would have proudly voted for trump. And Heaps of Sheeps thinks we need to bring them back into the Democratic tent; gently caress that ,gently caress them and gently caress him. Yeah, no kidding he was obviously to the left of Bush. Of course MF read a book about our silly Yank politic mans so he doesn't actually need to understand the historical context of party ID vs actual voting habits in the South. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Sep 29, 2017 03:56
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karthun posted:No, Al Gore was well to the left of Bush, those Democratic voters were far to the right of Bush. They were southern white supremacists who supported Jim Crow. They would have proudly voted for trump. And Heaps of Sheeps thinks we need to bring them back into the Democratic tent; gently caress that ,gently caress them and gently caress him. It's pretty adorable that you think the Democratic Party doesn't already represent the interests of these people.
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Sep 29, 2017 04:15
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gowb posted:Nobody is blaming the left for it! Just that Corbyn has pulled a bit of a 360 on it, and some guy was championing it in here from the leftist perspective. So Corbyn has been consistent on it and that's bad?
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Sep 29, 2017 04:23
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Heaps of Sheeps posted:It's pretty adorable that you think the Democratic Party doesn't already represent the interests of these people. So your gimmick is that both sides are just as bad?
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Sep 29, 2017 04:24
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VitalSigns posted:So Corbyn has been consistent on it and that's bad? lol
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DeadlyMuffin posted:So your gimmick is that both sides are just as bad? No, of course not, if by both sides you mean "the ruling class" and "everyone else". As in, when it comes to the racist old white people in that picture, the Democrats and GOP are definitely on the "same side".
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gowb posted:Nobody is blaming the left for it! Just that Corbyn has pulled a bit of a 360 on it So he never changed his position after all, huh? edit never wait. post as fast as possible, every time
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Heaps of Sheeps posted:It's pretty adorable that you think the Democratic Party doesn't already represent the interests of these people. I guess that Obama being the result of race mixing IS the embodiment of communism then, Heaps of Sheeps says so.
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A lot of the exit poll and beyond studies showed that the people who voted Green party didn't show a strong preference for Gore over Bush. The people who vote for the Green party were not and are not people expecting the Green party to win, they're the kind of people who deliberately did not vote Democrat and often would stay home or vote for a different third party. I don't think there's much point in blaming either Nader for running or the Green party for existing since they just fill a pretty specific demand for a third party 'protest' vote and would be instantly replaced if absent. I also don't know that Florida voters regretted their decision. They ended up voting Bush in fairly convincingly in 2004, swinging by a much bigger margin than the rest of the country and that was with the Green party vote collapsing.
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