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The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
Aaron Goldstein, Public Defender and The Guy Who Beat Dick Mell is the first progressive with ties to CTU, Chuy, DFA, etc. in for AG.

http://mailchi.mp/438182f9f266/im-in?e=93b279d9f4

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Zarin
Nov 11, 2008

I SEE YOU

Parasol Prophet posted:

Don't worry, there's probably a CAT exhibit of some kind being run at the actual museum next door.

Just make sure you visit our lovely riverfront area before everything there closes in anticipation of the main recreational area being torn down and turned into "green space" over however-many years. (Unless they're not doing that anymore. I haven't kept up with it.)

Was that Headquarters-related, or something independent of that?

I don't keep up with any of it, but I don't think any of that concrete is gonna go anywhere. Though now that you mention it, a lot of those riverfront restaurant areas are ... underutilized.

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


Sailor Jerry posted:

I was born and raised 30 minutes from Effingham towards Indiana. A local guy just announced a run for State Representative complaining about the increased income taxes. He's running as a Democrat.

I live 10 minutes west of Effingham but I was born and raised right in the area you were. Are you a Newtonite?

Our state Rep Cavaletto announced he is not running again. While he voted for the budget, he has constantly been a shitstain on everything else. He told one of my students that she was too pretty and nice looking to be in Alternative Education. This was before he told several of my students that Alt Ed schools are unnecessary and kids should just make due in "normal school".

The people running for his seat have said that he was too liberal (all because of one vote).

Krime
Jul 30, 2003

Somebody has to do the scoring around here.
Peoria and Springfield are 2 places that have job opportunities for my wife... I used to live near Edwardsville.

Enlighten me about life in these cities.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Krime posted:

Peoria and Springfield are 2 places that have job opportunities for my wife... I used to live near Edwardsville.

Enlighten me about life in these cities.


Springfield is bleh, Can't speak to Peoria, it seems slightly less bleh than Springfield.

But as someone who moved to springfield for a job it is extremely bleh.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Krime posted:

Peoria and Springfield are 2 places that have job opportunities for my wife... I used to live near Edwardsville.

Enlighten me about life in these cities.

I work in the outskirts of Peoria. Everyone I've met has been pretty nice, and the Seasons restaurant in nearby Morton is surprisingly good. I live more than an hour out of town to be close to my wife's job so I can't say much more.

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

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Peoria is quiet and boring. Rent is cheap. The food is great and generally cheap. Everyone who lives there hates everyone else but all share a mutual and unified hatred of Chicago, as is the purview of all down-staters.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Heath posted:

Peoria is quiet and boring. Rent is cheap. The food is great and generally cheap. Everyone who lives there hates everyone else but all share a mutual and unified hatred of Chicago, as is the purview of all down-staters.
Seems about right.

It has more cultural options than you might expect, too, and it's not dreadfully far from Chicago and St. Louis.

I live in the municipality next door (Bloomington/Normal) and usually like Peoria when I visit. The folks there remember that it used to be a more important city than Chicago, so have some civic pride.

Either place, don't let them trick you into eating a loving Horseshoe.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

I don't like Peoria because I was robbed at gunpoint there.

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

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Peoria was at one point poised to become what Chicago ended up being. I'm not sure the specifics of why the state's economic capitol shifted the way it did since Peoria is geographically in a spot that's more convenient to the entire state and is on a fairly major river. It's also historically been the benchmark of the "average" American city. Supposedly the demographics most closely resemble those of the nation at large. It's been on a slow and steady decline for a very long time and now that Caterpillar has decided to twist the knife it's probably going to get much worse much more quickly. But hey, at least we got a really ugly museum out of it.

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Heath posted:

But hey, at least we got a really ugly museum out of it.

We had a really ugly museum. We got a really ugly museum with twice the floor space and a theater that is 'just as good as Imax, I swear'.

Here are some amenities that Peoria has to offer:
Good hospitals
An adequate private college
Minor League baseball
Minor League hockey
An orchestra
An (real) IMax theater and other cheaper movie heaters
A (really ugly) museum
A couple of planetariums
Golf Courses
Four play theaters of various sizes
An outdoor mall and a less impressive indoor mall
A 'super' walmart
A Bass Pro Shop (in East Peoria)
A Casino (also in East Peoria)
A concert arena
An 'eventplex' (which is a large music venue that serves alcohol).
A boardgame store (FLGS if you're dirty)
A wide range of restaurant options including (moderately) upscale, steakhouse, Indian, Lebanese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Sushi, and Chinese. And also less authentic alternatives for some of those, and a diner or two. And basically any fast food you could want. (There's a rumor we might get a Portillo's in 2018.)

Basically what I'm trying to say is,

Heath posted:

Peoria is quiet and boring. Rent is cheap. The food is great and generally cheap. Everyone who lives there hates everyone else but all share a mutual and unified hatred of Chicago, as is the purview of all down-staters.

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


The economy of the state shifted because of railroads and Stephen A Douglas.

Chicago exploded when the railroads connected to the Plains area.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

It's hard to overestimate how big a deal the railroads were. After 1850 cities lived and died based on the decision to build track through an area.

Trevor Hale
Dec 8, 2008

What have I become, my Swedish friend?

When I went to school in Galesburg, Peoria was the big city to visit when you needed to impress a date. And that is both sad and heartbreakingly sweet. When I hear "Don't Look Back in Anger", I think of Peoria.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Trevor Hale posted:

When I went to school in Galesburg, Peoria was the big city to visit when you needed to impress a date. And that is both sad and heartbreakingly sweet. When I hear "Don't Look Back in Anger", I think of Peoria.
One of my buddies is a music prof in Galesburg. :)

And really, you could pick worse places to see a show. I grew up near Chicago, and it's just more convenient to get around Peoria. I've seen many a show over there.

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

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I don't live there anymore but my friends and family do, and I'm afraid that the wide array of foreign food will disappear with Cat. The Indian food in Peoria is great. It's also home to the only Pakistani restaurant I've ever been to.

Parasol Prophet
Aug 31, 2012

We Are Best Friends Now.
I've always thought of Peoria as... fine. I've only lived in a few places so I can't speak from experience, but it's always seemed like a good-sized city to me. Not so big that it's daunting, but not so small that you'll get bored after a week, either.

Also, y'know, ugly museum. Not everybody's got one of those.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

There's nothing really wrong with Peoria. The description I've always heard is it can feel like a big city minus the culture. The demographics skew older but if you're married, it's probably not a big deal.

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

The economy of the state shifted because of railroads and Stephen A Douglas.

Chicago exploded when the railroads connected to the Plains area.


xzzy posted:

It's hard to overestimate how big a deal the railroads were. After 1850 cities lived and died based on the decision to build track through an area.

The I&M Shipping Canal was finished in 1948 (and later the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal which of course reversed the river in 1900) had a major impact on the railroads deciding to connect to Chicago and is a large reason for the population explosion since it also allowed for more than just subsistence farming around the city.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

TMMadman posted:

The I&M Shipping Canal was finished in 1948 (and later the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal which of course reversed the river in 1900) had a major impact on the railroads deciding to connect to Chicago and is a large reason for the population explosion since it also allowed for more than just subsistence farming around the city.

Also Chicago got big in the first place because it was the most convenient port where railroads crossing the Mississippi (allowing access to the Western US) met shipping on the Great Lakes.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Parasol Prophet posted:

I've always thought of Peoria as... fine. I've only lived in a few places so I can't speak from experience, but it's always seemed like a good-sized city to me. Not so big that it's daunting, but not so small that you'll get bored after a week, either.

Also, y'know, ugly museum. Not everybody's got one of those.

If Hot Box would open here it would be perfect.

KodiakRS
Jul 11, 2012

:stonk:
So what happens when the gentrification of Chicago eventually cranks rent prices up to San Francisco levels and the middle class all bails to Texas and the southern US? Can a state declare bankruptcy?

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

KodiakRS posted:

So what happens when the gentrification of Chicago eventually cranks rent prices up to San Francisco levels and the middle class all bails to Texas and the southern US? Can a state declare bankruptcy?

Wouldn't they just move out to the burbs? I mean they can't make all of Chicagoland have sky high rent.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
Yeah. The thing with SF prices is that land is at such a premium in that area (among other things like zoning and building codes that inhibit high-density building).

Everyone wants to live on the peninsula where SF is, there's only a few bridges connecting SF to the surrounding Bay Area, and more makes SF's housing situation a particularly unique to its area.

And that's not counting the mass transit systems and better highway situation the Chicago-area has over SF.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

TMMadman posted:

Wouldn't they just move out to the burbs? I mean they can't make all of Chicagoland have sky high rent.

Yes, and the middle class already lives there. 30+ miles away from the loop, overwhelmed highways, and train stations with 10 year waiting lists for parking. Sure is a great place to settle!

(the burbs are rather nice if you can work in the burbs though)

tsa
Feb 3, 2014

KodiakRS posted:

So what happens when the gentrification of Chicago eventually cranks rent prices up to San Francisco levels and the middle class all bails to Texas and the southern US? Can a state declare bankruptcy?

These are not even remotely comparable cities, and no offense but your question is kinda nonsensical, you might as well ask how the price of tea in China will factor in.

If you're priced out in Chicago you are almost certainly not middle class by any sensible definition. San Fransisco prices come from being developmently restricted and geographically contained, and Chicago has neither of those problems.



xzzy posted:

Yes, and the middle class already lives there. 30+ miles away from the loop, overwhelmed highways, and train stations with 10 year waiting lists for parking. Sure is a great place to settle!

(the burbs are rather nice if you can work in the burbs though)

I mean sure there are problems but the housing, transportation, and traffic problems it has aren't even in the same universe as the coasts.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

But I wasn't trying to compare Chicago to coastal cities.

Just pointing out that "move to the burbs!" doesn't actually solve any problems if your job is in the city. Sure you can now afford to put a roof over your head, but now you're losing 15 hours of your week to commuting and are constantly exhausted from it.

Full Collapse
Dec 4, 2002

tbh, I found driving from the 'burbs less stressful than taking the bus when I lived in the city.

Chuu
Sep 11, 2004

Grimey Drawer

xzzy posted:

But I wasn't trying to compare Chicago to coastal cities.

Just pointing out that "move to the burbs!" doesn't actually solve any problems if your job is in the city. Sure you can now afford to put a roof over your head, but now you're losing 15 hours of your week to commuting and are constantly exhausted from it.

Several of my coworkers who live in the suburbs have commutes under an hour door to door on Metra. When I first started working in the loop I was blown away that the project lead had a shorter commute than I did -- and lived in Northbrook.

Our regional transport system is actually pretty decent.

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

KodiakRS posted:

So what happens when the gentrification of Chicago eventually cranks rent prices up to San Francisco levels and the middle class all bails to Texas and the southern US? Can a state declare bankruptcy?

Most of the city is still affordable, and large areas are mostly vacant. The South and West sides are losing thousands of people a year.

Rents are going up in the small parts of the city where white people from the suburbs want to live.

Zeno-25
Dec 5, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Does the ADM plant in Peoria still stink up the town? I haven't lived there since my college days, but it was a lot more interesting of a place than other downstate cities like Bloomington and Champaign/Urbana that were dominated by the huge universities in each.

That one dude should really get some shawarma from Haddad's if he ends up there.

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

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I worked overnights downtown for a while a few years ago and was at work when there was a big explosion at the ADM plant. I was deep in the building where I worked behind a lot of brick, but I felt the shockwave from it when the room suddenly decompressed for a second as though someone had slammed a heavy door. I didn't think anything of it til the security guard mentioned it a while later.

So, yes.

Edit: http://www.pjstar.com/article/20130109/NEWS/301099855

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Zeno-25 posted:

Does the ADM plant in Peoria still stink up the town?

It sure does.

Edit: I was on shift at a building some miles away and felt the explosion. We thought something had happened inside our building.

Jonas Albrecht fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Oct 11, 2017

Dukket
Apr 28, 2007
So I says to her, I says “LADY, that ain't OIL, its DIRT!!”

Chuu posted:

Several of my coworkers who live in the suburbs have commutes under an hour door to door on Metra. When I first started working in the loop I was blown away that the project lead had a shorter commute than I did -- and lived in Northbrook.

Our regional transport system is actually pretty decent.

Yeah, I was also really surprised to find out that many folks in the burbs have similar commutes to city dwellers, it made angry for a bit. I like driving, but I HATE sitting in traffic - public trans all day long. Sleep, read, zone out, play cards with your train buddies, now thats a commute.

I also knew folks who took the Metra from Fox Lake everyday - WTF!

And as others said, the city is still very affordable, taking in to consideration its a big city and the limitations that creates. If you don't care about public trans even more of the city opens up to you.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Dukket posted:

Yeah, I was also really surprised to find out that many folks in the burbs have similar commutes to city dwellers, it made angry for a bit. I like driving, but I HATE sitting in traffic - public trans all day long. Sleep, read, zone out, play cards with your train buddies, now thats a commute.

I also knew folks who took the Metra from Fox Lake everyday - WTF!

And as others said, the city is still very affordable, taking in to consideration its a big city and the limitations that creates. If you don't care about public trans even more of the city opens up to you.

For an internship for a few months I was taking metra from Downers Grove to Chicago to Morton Grove and back. Didn't have reliable car so that was my only choice, at least there was a Pace shuttle that picked up at my apartment and the station on the other end was only two blocks from the office.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Pawar out. bow down to your millionaire/billionaire overlords

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Turns out politics costs money, whodathunk.

Gonna be Biss or Kennedy.

Included resignation announcement:

quote:

Today, I am ending my campaign for Governor. Briefly, I want to explain why: we simply don’t have the money to meaningfully scale this campaign statewide. Without more resources, the only choices for expanding the campaign to a scope that could earn the nomination were to take on more personal debt or to cut staff. I have a young family, and we decided not to take on more personal debt right now. As to cutting staff, I simply refuse. We raised $828k from 2,526 donors; that is amazing. But as you know, the race for Illinois governor will set a record as the costliest race in American history. For democracy’s sake, I hope we see this as a troubling trend. My donors did the best they could, I’m the one who came up short, but I am not ashamed. Just know that while we didn’t have the most money, we have the volunteers (3,200), the signatures (10,000), and the right message. I’m sorry for the people who have stood with me that I don’t have the extraordinary wealth or extraordinarily wealthy connections to make up the difference.

We’ve all heard Winston Churchill’s famous line, “never give in, never, never, never, never.” Less often quoted is the rest of the sentence: “except to convictions of honour and good sense.” I think both suggest that this is the right time for this campaign to come to an end. I wish there was a sensible path forward, but we have always been playing a long game, and this is more of a beginning than an end. At this time, I will not be endorsing a candidate. That said, I urge you to get to know the other Democratic candidates. They are good people, and any one of them will make a fine governor.

Today, I am launching One Illinois, a political action committee to organize young people around progressive issues and fight the false and bigoted divides around race, class, and geography. We all want to see progressive change and policies, but to achieve our goals we must take on the politics that are used to keep communities fighting one another over scraps. I hope that you will join me in this new effort. More on this in the coming weeks.

We all want to see progressive change, but we must organize and attack the false divides around race, class, and geography. If we don’t, we won’t realize the changes we all seek.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I want my soda tax back you sons of syrup

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
Of course Larry Suffredin is a Goon.

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The Bold Kobold
Aug 11, 2014

Bold to the point of certain death.

That's a shame. I would have voted for him.

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