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xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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There's definitely not enough going on in the first episode of the season, so it's good that they invented a super idol that could specifically only be used now

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xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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It feels like they skipped something to get to this point

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Stick around, Alan, you crazy gem

e: What the gently caress is puke mom doing

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Chrissy was in on the vote, so I reckon Alan's paranoia might have caused Ben to say something like "look, vote out Katrina this time and we can stick together and oust half of the Power Couple next time"

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Yeah, off of the top of my head I can't think of a "Survivor is just like [my job]!" person who has actually been good at the game. Being so self-absorbed that you think your career gives you a unique insight into this game is probably a bad sign for your ability to actually navigate the social dynamics

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Hmm maybe we were wrong for calling Chrissy a giant dipshit for not using the idol

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Sad to report Survivor is inherently racist against Asian women

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Good to see a genuine curveball, but I'm very annoyed by the past two episodes playing out as "Should we get rid of the weak misfit who might be a good ally, or the strong socially graceless dude?" while boring narration time-suck Ryan is sitting right there

One day people will learn to vote out the nerdy young white dude early on

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Oh man, I don't think I've been that blindsided by an outcome in a while. In basically every regard. That was perfectly edited

I'm super sad about Alan leaving but dang

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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bbf2 posted:

After four episodes it seems like Cole and Jessica have had the most screentime, exposure and storyline development in total out of everyone on this season....and that's kind of crazy considering they're two of the four people who haven't actually been to tribal council this season (along with Dr. Mike and Roarke). Could mean anything, but worth keeping an eye on. Other than Tom and Ian from s10 I can't think of another pair who has so clearly been the focus of the first four episodes without going to TC.

Not sure it means that they will both fare well in the endgame, but I think it means something very interesting is going to happen regarding those two very soon. I could definitely see Jess turning on Cole and his loose lips sooner rather than later despite his emotional appeals.

They're definitely the most interesting pair in the game thus far, imo. I thought they were likable even when they were just pretty people crushing on one another, but seeing their dynamic evolve into "Cole is an idiot who tells everyone everything and Jessica becomes increasingly aware of how it jeopardizes her game" has been a pleasant surprise

The raft scene where Cole acts dumbfounded about how Lauren found out about Jessica's advantage, then there's an extended silence, then he says "I told Ben..." is maybe my favorite of the season

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Love a scene about how funny Ryan is, illustrated with completely unremarkable footage

I Guess You Had To Be There

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Cole slowly transforming into Winnie the Pooh

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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I am cool with Mike having an idol, but maybe they shouldn't keep the idols in the same place on different beaches post-swap

I would be losin it if Joe was able to idol hoard effectively because of that

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Seems like one of Chrissy's tribemates should have been more forceful about making her step down, especially after the second time she messed up. She was asking if anyone else wanted to go!

Not getting a good feeling about Roark's chances based on the post-challenge confessional

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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"No matter what, I'm going to be alienating someone close to me (so I better pick the scenario where the person I alienate stays in the game)" — Ryan, Social Game Genius

Obviously Chrissy had to do whatever she could to stay alive, but the Girls Alliance lie should also be pretty blatant as soon as JP sees the other two girls voted for Chrissy

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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I thought it was a pretty scrappy play, too, and I've generally enjoyed her this season. Her getting all huffy about Roark would have been funny if it blew up in her face, and it was funny when it turned out her confidence was earned.

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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She didn't bail as hard as she suggested at Tribal Council, but after she messed up the second time, there was an extended period of

Chrissy: "Does anyone else want to go?"
Roark: "...do you want ME to go.........I'll go if you want me to....or do you want ALI to go..."
Chrissy: "If anyone else wants to go they can..."

and then nobody stepped up so Chrissy just went again. The rest of the tribe was weirdly waiting for Chrissy to say "I am not participating in this challenge anymore and I want this person to take my place," so I don't blame her for how she handled it.

I said earlier I don't know how Chrissy's deflection toward Roark will hold up long-term, but if she felt like she was definitely going to go then she didn't really have many other options. Especially if Ryan wasn't willing to tell Ali "Hey, I have a person who will vote with us, so let's not vote her out." I didn't get the impression that Chrissy and JP were particularly close, so I could see her feeling enough heat to need to give him a reason to stick with her.

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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I might be the only anti-Ryan/pro-Chrissy person watching this show, but I was really excited by Alli offering Chrissy a lifeline out of her partnership with Ryan. Probably not worth holding out hope she might eventually flip on him at this point.

Editors are getting better with their red herrings this season, IMO. Usually the overconfident J.P. confessional would be right after the IC and mark him for death, but instead it was after the RC and he ended up being misdirection

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Ryan's main potential saving grace is that most contestants seem to assume every 20something nerdy white dude is a Survivor Expert and trusts their gameplay is sound if they make it to the end

One day people will learn that is a more threatening type of post-merge player than a buff guy

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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I think, based on what we were shown, Ken played a game that could have won in a season where the cast was less focused on Building A Resume.

It seems like he was edited more sympathetically than he might have been perceived on the island though so who knows

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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UltimoDragonQuest posted:

Some level of collaboration or social gameplay would add a lot to individual Survivor challenges. They do the bare minimum with rope chops and "Take a seat right now for a plate of cookies."

This is why I'm really disappointed they've started relying so heavily on post-merge team reward challenges, typically with the same rote setup as the pre-merge challenges.

Coconut chops, "Which one of your tribemates is [some negative attribute]" challenges and reward companion decision-making -- gimme more poo poo that injects stupid interpersonal drama into the gameplay

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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I was really worried they were going to go with unnecessary torture porn in lieu of a merge feast, so this over the top product placement is really hitting the spot right now

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Haha Ben reuniting with Chrissy and instantly realizing she's not as good a partner as he thought she might be

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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"I'm trying to figure out how you would even use this cinnamon..." is the hardest I've laughed at this show in a while

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Alright it's time for the rule we definitely didn't just make up to end this challenge immediately

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Just when I think I hate Joe, he goes and does something like that

And if Chrissy successfully designated a plan C just in case things went sideways with Cole/Joe, and it actually comes in handy, maybe she actually is good at Survivor

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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That's a shame because I really liked Jess, and it sucks to see her go down for Cole being a dingus. But, on the other hand, if it was her or him...I'm glad to get at least one more episode of Cole's unintentional comedy

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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This twist owns

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Cole is hands down the best contestant this season

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Apr 11, 2005

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Propaganda Machine posted:

Well, literally anybody but Ryan and Chrissy could have gotten the idol. That would have been a marked improvement.

:yeah:

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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It's gonna be a bummer if this is the obvious Joe boot, but I dunno what other direction it could plausibly go in barring some sort of weird Ben/Lauren change of heart

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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"You swore on your Marine" is the dumbest thing to effectively rile something up ever

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Based on the way this season has been edited, it's a definite Desi boot

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Still think this is a solidly average to slightly above-average season, but it could hit a rough patch if it's gonna be a pagonging into a Ben/Lauren/Ryan/Chrissy/Devon endgame.

I only really dislike Ryan, but it's definitely far from my favorite combination of players left in the game and a pretty obvious final grouping at this point

Midnightghoul posted:

Yeah the tribals are the least interesting part of this season, since barely anyone is playing the game, or playing very simplistically

This is part of why I like this season - it's a nice change of pace after the past few seasons of hardcore overplaying. Even as the editors use more deliberate misdirection to hide the boot, it's easier to follow than a lot of recent gameplay

xbilkis fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Nov 16, 2017

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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IcePhoenix posted:

Cole voting Joe is just weird to me in that situation. Why did he flip at all? It doesn't not make him the top boot still.

Seems like Mike filled him in on his intention to flip and thought, at the very least, it might buy Cole another 3 days if he flips too. The leftover healers were kinda divided into Mike/Cole + Desi/Joe duos

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:

"Oh, they served spaghetti on top of the napkin, I must be the first one to see the clue" :smug:

(reading a clue covered in remnants of spaghetti and sauce) There's no way anyone else read this

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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I'm really mad they didn't devote more time to Joe's reaction to a pile of spaghetti served on just a cloth napkin

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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I think the Chrissy stuff crosses over from "playing the game" to "playing the game poorly" because she lied about stuff that she either didn't need to or couldn't competently lie about, and heightened the intensity of the lie anyway. She didn't really need to convince Ali that she was safe, and she couldn't reasonably expect people to believe she wasn't digging for the idol/hadn't seen the clue when Cole tackled her to start digging under the flag.

Desi's reaction seems a little strong but I'm glad she feels that way because this quote is golden

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SK: So there's no future friendship between you and Chrissy once this is all done?
DW: It's weird, actually, because sometimes she texts me. I'm like, we're actually not friends. I don't know that she has a good read on how much I don't like her. I don't like her.

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Desi also says Chrissy is playing the best game thus far in that interview, so who even knows if that's a lost vote for Chrissy if she makes it to the end.

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xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

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Bummed to lose Cole, but I'm starting to dig Devon's pure earnestness. I was tickled by the way he seemed sincerely shocked and bummed out by the Ryan idol revelation, only to immediately get super psyched about his new bro duo with Ben. Keep lookin on the bright side, my dude

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