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Notorious b.s.d. posted:btw wayland isn't going to be able to change the programming model either approximately zero Ubuntu or Fedora users will scream if most non-GNOME applications stop working the distributions should literally stop shipping X-Windows compatibility and any toolkit but GNOME in their base system, just pull them down from the package manager if some grognard on installing some legacy garbage they’d be better off including SDL in the base system than X-Windows
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:- openwindows Literally none of these were 'on Linux', dude, and they weren't replacements for X once it became dominant, they were closed source products that predated it or competed with it. Come on.
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eschaton posted:a real improvement would be a deeply integrated window server and widget set where any application not written against that widget set is told to get with the loving program already, but Unix weenies decided that an aphorism appropriate for a research system, “mechanism not policy,” was actually a core tenet of their platform my friend have you tried chrome os
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install windows op
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feedmegin posted:Literally none of these were 'on Linux', dude, and they weren't replacements for X once it became dominant, they were closed source products that predated it or competed with it. Come on. linux wasn't the normal state of unix at the time when you're on a 20+ year time scale linux isn't the only unix
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eschaton posted:a real improvement would be a deeply integrated window server and widget set where any application not written against that widget set is told to get with the loving program already, but Unix weenies decided that an aphorism appropriate for a research system, “mechanism not policy,” was actually a core tenet of their platform telling people to use the One True Widget Set in exchange for disposing of x11 has been tried before. that is not a new idea. see half the things in the list i posted earlier. "mechanism not policy" was a brutal compromise between what looks sensible, and what the actually-existing community of users demand it's not like there is a secret cabal of people who think x11 is good or well-suited to modern problems. it's just that it's really hard to get rid of legacy software.
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kde is the one true widget set and gnome is trash hitler
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Condiv posted:so, i'm becoming less and less interested in using nvidia GPUs for computation right now. yeah, cuda's a nice lib, and yeah, i'd love to use power 8 for what we're doing, but apparently IBM power 8 with nvidia P100s only support cuda and don't support openCL at all. I'm not talking nvidia's typical, opencl 1.2 only support, they don't support vulkan, opengl, or opencl. just cuda. getting locked into a single vendors' computation platform seems like a big mistake, and it seems like nvidia is doing this all over the place (see: nvidia refusing to work with wayland, implementing their own dumb eglstreams thing that no-one uses) openmp 4.5 with target offload
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i’ve heard good things about a new superior operating system windows 95
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Bloody posted:install windows op wrong
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i'm on windows me, i haven't heard of windows op before, thanks i'll check it out
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Bloody posted:install windows op ok now what
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now remove windows op
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PCjr sidecar posted:openmp 4.5 with target offload openmp only works with c/c++/fortran
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Condiv posted:openmp only works with c/c++/fortran not sure that OpenCL or whatever is going to be any better for that tho
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funny to see intel pushing opencl now that they sell fpgas
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if this makes rendering poo poo in blender faster then that is cool
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PCjr sidecar posted:funny to see intel pushing opencl now that they sell fpgas yeah i somehow missed Intel buying Altera and was super confused when Mouser was advertising INTEL CYCLONE 10 FPGA's
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PCjr sidecar posted:not sure that OpenCL or whatever is going to be any better for that tho you can bind to opencl/cuda from other languages. iirc, openmp is macro town and can't be used like a library Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Nov 18, 2017 |
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just learned about this HIP thing from amd apparently it's an api over cuda/opencl that's designed to be cuda-like so i guess this is something i'll be coding against (or at least trying to)
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Condiv posted:just learned about this HIP thing from amd gently caress, apparently it's just a compile time shim over cuda/opencl, not even a proper lib
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Condiv posted:you can bind to opencl/cuda from other languages. iirc, openmp is macro town and can't be used like a library theres always the nvptx backend for llvm, apparently somebody has rust compiling to ptx lol
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:linux wasn't the normal state of unix at the time Sure but we are very specially talking about Linux here. That's why I said 'Linux'. In 1997 all the poo poo you listed was a) mostly long dead and b) never available on Linux. Commercial vendors' attempts to bring in their own proprietary windowing systems are not examples of the free software community trying and failing to come up with a good replacement for X on technical merits.
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feedmegin posted:Sure but we are very specially talking about Linux here. That's why I said 'Linux'. In 1997 all the poo poo you listed was a) mostly long dead and b) never available on Linux. Commercial vendors' attempts to bring in their own proprietary windowing systems are not examples of the free software community trying and failing to come up with a good replacement for X on technical merits. i have no reason to believe that a "free software community" that excludes the major vendor in the space has any better shot it than the various vendor consortia of yore
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i have no reason to believe that a "free software community" that excludes the major vendor in the space has any better shot it than the various vendor consortia of yore Firstly the major vendor here is Intel. Secondly 'Linux GPU vendor' and 'Unix workstation vendor' are not even remotely in the same market position here, again come on now.
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feedmegin posted:Firstly the major vendor here is Intel. Secondly 'Linux GPU vendor' and 'Unix workstation vendor' are not even remotely in the same market position here, again come on now. you're right no unix workstation vendor ever reached the near-100% market share of nvidia the osf/motif guys could happily exclude sun and at&t because they were only 40% of the market. nobody can exclude nvidia -- they are the market.
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there were plenty of awful free software attempts to replace x that failed too remember berlin^Wfresco https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresco_(windowing_system)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you're right ...for Linux desktops? No. Waylands target is not 'workstation CAD' and being free software 'the market' is not the motivator you keep claiming.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:no unix workstation vendor ever reached the near-100% market share of nvidia linux workstations is 99% dev machines and laptops dude, those all run off intel igpus. and possibly amd apus in the near future? nvidia on linux is for datacenters, datacenters don't care about a loving gui lol
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most linux guis are the js atrocity du heure served at chrome running on windows
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Cocoa Crispies posted:most linux guis are the js atrocity du heure served at chrome running on windows
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i'm still pissed i had to set up a swapfile on a 1gb instance to run webpack this afternoon
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Cocoa Crispies posted:i'm still pissed i had to set up a swapfile on a 1gb instance to run webpack this afternoon 
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Bloody posted:install windows op windows 2000 is fairly op as far as windows goes everything since has been layers of lovely kludges duct taped onto it
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ProjektorBoy posted:windows 2000 is fairly op as far as windows goes counterpoint: it cant handle the weed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mGwpDUxTQ Workaday Wizard fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Nov 20, 2017 |
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ProjektorBoy posted:windows 2000 is fairly op as far as windows goes as someone with a dedicated win2k box under their desk, I can confirm it's pretty nice for what it is
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multitasking with dual 1ghz CPUs felt a lot like modern multicore computing, except snappier because it wasn't buried under a mountain of javascript
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Silver Alicorn posted:multitasking with dual 1ghz CPUs felt a lot like modern multicore computing, except snappier because it wasn't buried under a mountain of javascript  if your website scripts take more than 0.5s to sort themselves out during loading you should be shot
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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