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Duscat posted:yeah but you wouldn't test one by actually dropping one on your own population because that would have been unpopular back in those days people didn't know that much about what radiation actually did back then, and the government just denies everything. as for getting blood tests, thats easy enough the Tuskegee syphilis experiment monitored all its victim's by giving them free healthcare. whatever they needed, absolutely free from the study doctors...as long as no one told them about their syphilis or attempted to cure it. all so they could study how the disease progressed in black people (they already knew all about syphilis in general, they just wanted to see if it was different in non-whites) dirt testing is even easier, just say it's environmental testing or something. no one was gonna ask questions back them, people still sorta trusted our basic institutions (for some reason)
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rudatron posted:Like forget the blatant massive human rights abuses for a moment and also because they wanted to know things and didn't want to let ethics get in the way there were also a lot of smaller, more controlled studies. for example, finding people who had terminal diseases and injecting them with levels if plutonium thought to be lethal (without their knowledge or consent, naturally) except it turned out that one of their test subjects had been misdiagnosed, and his "terminal cancer" was actually just a very severe ulcer. not only did they not tell him about his plutonium injection, they didn't even tell him that he never had cancer. saying that they wanted to study his "miraculous recovery" from cancer was the pretext they used to keep monitoring him after he was released from the hospital
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FactsAreUseless posted:What makes conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones so effective is that the U.S. has legitimately done a bunch of crazy poo poo that sounds like conspiracy theories. MK Ultra, basically every single thing we did in the South America during the Cold War, Iran-Contra, every single thing about J. Edgar Hoover and the Dulles brothers, we sent pallets of cash to Iraq that vanished (this isn't even a conspiracy, just a baffling fuckup), the CIA sold cocaine to fund arms trade, the Tuskegee experiment, etc. etc. It all sounds exactly like the made-up theories, just with different nouns. The only difference is it's proven history. Not just America, either. For example, the Mexican government did some straight-up false flag poo poo in the 60s, including having government forces secretly shoot at riot police and soldiers in order to induce them to massacre protesters. Conspiracy theories are effective because the public trust in institutions has broken down, and those institutions certainly earned that breakdown.
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walgreenslatino posted:Zinc cadmium sulfide doesn't make people sick. you seem to be confusing "we don't know whether this is dangerous" with "this is safe"
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Ultimately, it's a breakdown of trust. When people come up with a conspiracy theory, that means that they don't trust our major institutions. It's pretty hard to tell truth from fiction when you don't trust anyone - not the government, not the media, not scientists, not businesses, not teachers or doctors - to tell you the truth. At that point, you're relying entirely on your hunches, paranoia, and a few con artists for even basic information about the world around you. That can lead people to some pretty strange places, because we rely on others for so much of what we know. How do we know bacteria exists? Well, for most of us, it's because a teacher, a scientist, a journalist, a doctor, or a government worker told us so. If you don't trust any of those groups to tell you the truth, and if you expect everything they tell you to be lies told to somehow further their own interests, then the next thing you know you're ranting about how bacteria are just a conspiracy by the soap industry to sell you mind-altering poisons, or something like that. Conspiracies are not largely restricted to the right, it's just that they mostly only get coverage on the right because the media cares far more about a few wealthy white celebrities' thoughts on vaccines than about the African-American mistrust of the medical industry caused by abuses like the Tuskegee Experiment. There is a noted tendency toward conspiracies on the right, thanks to the strong anti-science, anti-inmigrant, and anti-government movements that it likes to absorb, sure. But the poor have plenty of reason to distrust the authorities too, though they often don't have time to dedicate their lives to obsessing over it like comfortably well-off conservatives do.
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