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Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings

Capri Sun Tzu posted:

I'm a developer and I usually get along better with my PM's than I do my fellow dev's. I find a lot of software guys will prattle forever about the philosophy about how software should be made and I think that 95% of the time it does not loving matter, just get that poo poo done.

Agile has some cool takeaways but it takes a lot of effort to make it work and in general with that amount of effort any other method would work too.

I've tended to find the same. PMs and I get along. I suspect it comes from an attitude and communication style that isn't "UGH THIS IS DUMB" to "ok hey, so I have some concerns about this, but here are some solutions I can kind of propose, do any of these work for you?'

Just like the relationship between Dev and QA doesn't need to be antagonistic and combative, I think the relationship between a PM and the team as a whole can be productive as well.

**yes, some PMs are dumb business drones

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