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Racially motivated or not, it certainly is a class thing. Paying to be on the “best” club means you’re getting better education than the poors, and you only have to play with people of your status and be around people of your status. At least, that’s what the parents are thinking. I’ve met parents that don’t like other parent volunteers because “they’re involved with drugs” (not true) or “they don’t have the kids interests at heart” (one of our best volunteers), but it’s code for, “they’re poorer (and darker somehow) than us and must be a criminal because of it”. It just so happens that most poors are non-whites. What a weird coincidence! Soccer is really a rich kid’s sport in this country, where there aren’t economic limiters anywhere else.
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Wish I could think of a money making scam as good as AYSO making soccer equivalent to piano lessons or French classes for little Caleb and Tyler
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African AIDS cum posted:This is complete bullshit. They pay because they think they are getting better coaching for their kids. And because being on the "best" club is a status thing. It has nothing to do with race. Ugh, I forgot this was your thing
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joepinetree posted:And it's just a coincidence that these paid clubs are nearly all white and middle class or above. Middle class yes, white no. And I used to volunteer at the San Diego Surf cup. You are way off base. Here is one of the winning squads for example. http://events.gotsport.com/tools/thumbimage.aspx?src=/content/teams/teamphotos/t_793543.jpg&height=500&width=600 and there are plenty more like this. Total nonsense.
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Guys, the entire US has the same demographic makeup as Southern California, and racism is not real. Just let this one slide.
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Middle class wage earners are not "rich" and I realize you are childless and have no actual idea but there are pretty low barriers to entry to get your kid playing. Every "top" club has open tryouts and will give a scholarship etc if the kid is good enough. They will also recruit kids. The only need really is parental involvement. Our house cleaner has a couple kids on the "best" club around here and she isn't paying a dime. Some of these clubs are competitive with European academies. Its around age 14-15 where development falls off because they focus on ODP which is total garbage.
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African AIDS cum posted:Middle class wage earners are not "rich" and I realize you are childless and have no actual idea but there are pretty low barriers to entry to get your kid playing. Every "top" club has open tryouts and will give a scholarship etc if the kid is good enough. They will also recruit kids. The only need really is parental involvement. Our house cleaner has a couple kids on the "best" club around here and she isn't paying a dime. Some of these clubs are competitive with European academies. Its around age 14-15 where development falls off because they focus on ODP which is total garbage. lol the tough talking poo poo poster is a bourgie with a house cleaner, what a surprise
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Zhe’s got you there, Tom. Your argument is invalid
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House cleaners are a common thing here in the first world.
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African AIDS cum posted:Middle class yes, white no. And I used to volunteer at the San Diego Surf cup. You are way off base. Here is one of the winning squads for example. http://events.gotsport.com/tools/thumbimage.aspx?src=/content/teams/teamphotos/t_793543.jpg&height=500&width=600 and there are plenty more like this. Total nonsense. Lol. Yeah, and in the US race and class are completely separate things.
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African AIDS cum posted:Every "top" club has open tryouts and will give a scholarship etc if the kid is good enough. They will also recruit kids. The only need really is parental involvement i played in pay to play growing up this is hilariously detached from reality
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joepinetree posted:Lol. Yeah, and in the US race and class are completely separate things. This kind of LF tier hyperpolitical whiny posting is extremely played out in 2017, let's stick to concrete facts
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African AIDS cum posted:This kind of LF tier hyperpolitical whiny posting is extremely played out in 2017, let's stick to concrete facts I think you meant to post this in some poor woman’s Twitter DMs
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African AIDS cum posted:Middle class wage earners are not "rich" and I realize you are childless and have no actual idea but there are pretty low barriers to entry to get your kid playing. Every "top" club has open tryouts and will give a scholarship etc if the kid is good enough. They will also recruit kids. The only need really is parental involvement. Our house cleaner has a couple kids on the "best" club around here and she isn't paying a dime. Some of these clubs are competitive with European academies. Its around age 14-15 where development falls off because they focus on ODP which is total garbage. That's the actual scam of travel teams, and not just soccer. They get the parents with too much money and an unrealistic view of their kids ability to subsidize the kids that are actually good. Not every hard luck kid can get a scholarship, so it still is a problem though.
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I think we can all agree on one thing and that's that if American athletes like Hulk Hogan played football America would not have missed the World Cup
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vyelkin posted:I think we can all agree on one thing and that's that if American athletes like Hulk Hogan played football America would not have missed the World Cup Oh Yeah!
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I think all of the discussion regarding the MLS just totally misses the point. The issue with producing good/elite soccer talent is that it has to start early, and the conversation needs to move away from either getting a result AND playing for fun. There needs to be a focus on developing fundamental skills at an early age that just doesn't happen in the United States. It's also not helped by High School or the NCAA where fitness rules everything and you are basically playing go route one chase the ball soccer with a focus on results. There are no developmental academies in the US worth a poo poo I think another issue is how college is viewed in America. You basically have to go, which further delays a players development. By the time a skilled soccer player is 18-20 they should be training with the first team or getting blooded into games, but American kids are stuck running around empty bleachers in shared stadiums. At this point the battle is lost though. The kids have to get started technically at a very young age, and we just don't have the desire or infrastructure for it. I also don't think thats going to change
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100% american tim weah is going to save the USA
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lol that the  ironic nazi gimmick poster is actually both a bougie gently caress and defensive about his racism
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Waroduce posted:I think all of the discussion regarding the MLS just totally misses the point. The issue with producing good/elite soccer talent is that it has to start early, and the conversation needs to move away from either getting a result AND playing for fun. There needs to be a focus on developing fundamental skills at an early age that just doesn't happen in the United States. I'm not sure where you think we've missed the point. These are all problems that are solved when professional clubs start running free-to-play academies and developing players properly, rather then all development being in the hands of private clubs and schools/colleges.
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Yes it's not that promotion relegation or whatever will magically alone fix youth development in the US but there needs to be some form of pressure to force clubs to address the structures they use for finding and developing players and as long as MLS continues it's policy of pretending to be a real league instead of trying to be one clubs like DC United will exist being garbage in perpetuity and never once put the focus on changing anything.
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is america good at any team sports?
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RideTheSpiral posted:is america good at any team sports? ones we made, sure
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RideTheSpiral posted:is america good at any team sports? Basketball
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wicka posted:Basketball can't argue with that
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Benjamin Arthur posted:lol that the
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wicka posted:I'm not sure where you think we've missed the point. These are all problems that are solved when professional clubs start running free-to-play academies and developing players properly, rather then all development being in the hands of private clubs and schools/colleges. this is literally what MLS teams have been building for the last decade which is why i mentioned before they are making progress. The last year or two the first group of truly MLS academy grown players have begun to surface (not "homegrowns" as MLS defines them, but actually through a mls academy since they were like 12). Virtually everyone agrees the youth development of soccer in the u.s. sucks and MLS teams need to run academies from much younger up. Many are already actually doing that and most are building that system right now. quote:“With Kellyn [Acosta], with Paxton [Pomykal], with Jesus [Ferreira], with Jesse [Gonzalez], these guys have been in the academy for six or seven years and we are seeing them grow,” Clavijo said. “ https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/rating-mls-academies-homegrown-players-youth-development-progress
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Donald Trump's 'tism kid is in the DC United youth system lmao
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It’s fine, we have future Ballon D’Or winner Timothy Weah
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America must never be allowed to host another World Cup.
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It’s almost like Klinsmann was right.
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G-Hawk posted:this is literally what MLS teams have been building for the last decade which is why i mentioned before they are making progress. The last year or two the first group of truly MLS academy grown players have begun to surface (not "homegrowns" as MLS defines them, but actually through a mls academy since they were like 12). Virtually everyone agrees the youth development of soccer in the u.s. sucks and MLS teams need to run academies from much younger up. Many are already actually doing that and most are building that system right now. Those players seen like nice talents but they won't be great playing in the garbage MLS. Since MLS has the dumbest system in place that deincentivizes selling players to good leagues, these young guys are probably stuck here during their most important years of development.
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The USMNT will never be good.
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Lmao, perfect timing: https://twitter.com/grantwahl/status/920119976488570881
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Im disappointed the US didn't make it to the world cup. I'll miss the adorable little chants their fans come up with and their plucky team spirit
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wicka posted:Lmao, perfect timing: lmao at everyone who expects that america can just keep doing its american sports thing while actually being globally competitive
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France Football says that US is considering Laurent Blanc as the next US manager. https://twitter.com/Jon_LeGossip/status/920177372237828096 Also Sam Allardyce is interested in the opening. http://www.espnfc.us/united-states/story/3232018/sam-allardyce-interested-in-taking-united-states-job-sources?appsrc=sc Also it seems that Tab Ramos will be the interim manager for the friendlies in November.
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