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Byolante posted:So as a fan of Stoke and USMNT meltdowns can somebody explain why when you have a horrendous midfield and defense you are calling up but not playing Geoff Cameron, a good but not great mid table PL player who can do a job across the midfield and defense? From what I read, Arena felt he had not recovered enough from his injury in September. https://sports.yahoo.com/geoff-cameron-bizarre-usmnt-omission-142458947.html He also had a match to forget against Costa Rica in September. That’s not a good reason, but I think it played a big part in Arena’s MLS-loving decisionmaking.
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Oct 13, 2017 17:55
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Byolante posted:So as a fan of Stoke and USMNT meltdowns can somebody explain why when you have a horrendous midfield and defense you are calling up but not playing Geoff Cameron, a good but not great mid table PL player who can do a job across the midfield and defense? “Ummm he was injured for a little bit, it’s totally not because I want to play my two favorite MLS players instead” loving Christ.
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Oct 13, 2017 17:56
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Omar plays for Pachuca.
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Oct 13, 2017 18:01
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wicka posted:Omar plays for Pachuca. Didn’t he use to be LA Galaxy? E. LA Galaxy during the whole time Arena was coach.
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Oct 13, 2017 18:03
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Does America not have a sunday league/amateur youth league equivalent? The $1000 barrier that some posters have mentioned is eye watering and it doesn't really make sense to me as an outsider. Who does that $1000 go to? Who would oversee youth and amateur leagues in America?
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Oct 13, 2017 18:27
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how does America not have relegation? Where is the jeopardy? Where is the joy of watching Pompey win the FA cup and then nearly getting relegated straight out of the football league
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Oct 13, 2017 18:33
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Meat Wagon posted:Does America not have a sunday league/amateur youth league equivalent? The $1000 barrier that some posters have mentioned is eye watering and it doesn't really make sense to me as an outsider. Who does that $1000 go to? Who would oversee youth and amateur leagues in America? It would go to whoever is running the league charging the fees. This is America. You can have things, but you have to pay for them and hope the free market selects the best one. RideTheSpiral posted:how does America not have relegation? Where is the jeopardy? Where is the joy of watching Pompey win the FA cup and then nearly getting relegated straight out of the football league I think this has already been answered, but the US does not have this because sporting culture developed differently in the US. Older US sporting bodies died out in response to the growing amount of professionalism and league founders opted to make leagues a closed shop for sustainability purposes.
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Oct 13, 2017 18:45
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Still laughing that a western country with 300m inhabitants can't find 11 players to qualify for the world cup with lol
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oliwan posted:Still laughing that a western country with 300m inhabitants can't find 11 players to qualify for the world cup with lol actually you're 70 icelands short there
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Oct 13, 2017 18:49
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Brony Car posted:It would go to whoever is running the league charging the fees. Yeah but this is stupid and doesn't encourage dynamic and creative resource management which is allegedly an American concept
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Oct 13, 2017 18:52
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RideTheSpiral posted:actually you're 70 icelands short there drat op...
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Oct 13, 2017 18:53
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Football in a normal country: You are 7 and want to play football with your friends? Sure, just pick the closest club and pay the €10 or so monthly membership fee, which includes everything (also training and a weekly competition). Where exactly does the $1000 come in in the us?
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Oct 13, 2017 18:56
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RideTheSpiral posted:Yeah but this is stupid and doesn't encourage dynamic and creative resource management which is allegedly an American concept Of course it's stupid. Unfortunately the stupid man in charge of MLS is a former NFL exec and doesn't know any better. oliwan posted:Football in a normal country: It's €10 because professional clubs are subsidizing the cost. Youth soccer is not run by professional clubs in the US (for the most part).
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Oct 13, 2017 18:57
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LOL that Arena had to wait two and a half days and resign instead of being fired by Gulati on the runway in Trinidad.
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Oct 13, 2017 18:58
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wicka posted:Of course it's stupid. Unfortunately the stupid man in charge of MLS is a former NFL exec and doesn't know any better. no our junior leagues are cheap because they're played on school fields or in a local park and maybe have a ref who is 15 years old and paid a fiver
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Oct 13, 2017 19:03
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oliwan posted:Football in a normal country: The $1000 comes from paying for "good" coaching and playing in an organized structure with other competitive teams. This does not include travel fees for parents to take their kids to where the teams are and where they play.
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Oct 13, 2017 19:04
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It would cost more than  a month per kid just to reserve a field.
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wicka posted:It would cost more than fields are free in britain because we are a socialist utopia
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Between terrible health insurance and being on the brink of war, very few Americans are going to make it to summer 2018 anyway.
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Oh yeah the referee thing is another thing that I don't get. Why do youth and amateur teams need "certified" referees? I played in a Sunday league in Holland for like 20 years and the referee was almost always just some dude from the hosting team or a dad in the youth games
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Oct 13, 2017 19:47
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oliwan posted:Oh yeah the referee thing is another thing that I don't get. Why do youth and amateur teams need "certified" referees? I played in a Sunday league in Holland for like 20 years and the referee was almost always just some dude from the hosting team or a dad in the youth games Parents are awful here
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Oct 13, 2017 19:51
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wicka posted:Parents are awful here british parents feel uncomfortable if their child wins
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RideTheSpiral posted:british parents feel uncomfortable if their child wins American parents will loving scream at everyone if their child doesn't.
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silvergoose posted:American parents will loving scream at everyone if their child doesn't. lol if you are a parent and care about your children's sporting achievements instead of going to the pub
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Oct 13, 2017 20:14
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I looked up what I am paying for my nephew's under 6s football here in Australia and its 350AUD per season which gets him a accredited coach doing a 1 hour session each week, a competitive match against another under 6 side from the local area, a full kit for the team he plays for and insurance that covers his healthcare costs if he gets injured during club related activities. From march to september. Not bad imo, especially considering you have to pay fees to FFA as opposed to rugby league or afl where the league pays the clubs to operate.
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Oct 13, 2017 20:23
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wicka posted:Omar plays for Pachuca. To be fair all the US players in Liga MX are pretty loving trash.
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Oct 13, 2017 20:39
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oliwan posted:Oh yeah the referee thing is another thing that I don't get. Why do youth and amateur teams need "certified" referees? I played in a Sunday league in Holland for like 20 years and the referee was almost always just some dude from the hosting team or a dad in the youth games There's a friend of mine who made thousands of dollars a year reffing youth hockey in Minnesota because the parents were such cocks that nobody wanted to do it and all of the youth organizations had make reffing wages hilariously high in order to find a pool of people willing to do it.
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Oct 13, 2017 21:19
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Lets wait til Europe puts a man on the moon then they can lecture us about soccer
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African AIDS cum posted:Lets wait til Europe puts a man on the moon then they can lecture us about soccer the Moon landing was fake
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African AIDS cum posted:Lets wait til Europe puts a man on the moon then they can lecture us about soccer 
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oliwan posted:the Moon landing was fake The Moon is also fake
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this has been said a dozen different ways in this thread already but mls is a league that derives most of its operating revenue (aside from expansion fees) from ticket sales instead of tv money. which makes attendance critically important, which is why somebody earlier mentioned fc cincinatti, a good team, in the same breath as my beloved dogshit indy eleven as mls promotion candidates. when you couple the existential need for high attendance numbers with league enforced parity you get these absolutely fradulent game results. like most mls teams win 2/3 of their home games and lose 2/3 of their away games, and what percentage of the remaning games are draws is what separates playoff contenders from dc united. every other league in the world has good teams which are favorites to win wherever they play and bad teams who are expected to lose most of the time even at home. not here though! why might that be?! 
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Meat Wagon posted:Does America not have a sunday league/amateur youth league equivalent? The $1000 barrier that some posters have mentioned is eye watering and it doesn't really make sense to me as an outsider. Who does that $1000 go to? Who would oversee youth and amateur leagues in America? Yeah, there are tons of beer leagues, but probably mostly in the Western US. Hell, every day there are 5v5s going at lunch time on the fields next to my office.
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My other hot take is that the whole pay to play aspect of youth soccer in the US is by design so that middle class and above kids don't have to mix up with immigrant and Hispanic kids and the like. Parents prefer to pay $1000 bucks to play other kids who can afford that in a tournament 6 hours away than have little Johnny mixed with Mexican kids at a local park.
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They'd never admit as much but yes. Parents will do anything to keep their children away from the ethnics. There's a huge class and race thing in U.S. youth soccer.
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I played a ton of rec soccer growing up, and I was able to hone my skills at a weekly pick-up game. I didn't go anywhere with it because I was fat and lazy but w/e. Totally possible to play without paying much money. But developing? We don't have the infrastructure outside of select soccer. Echoing that I don't think that will change until we grow the viable number of clubs in the US and heavily incentivize them to develop players. Make it worth their while! Then maybe we'll see people try to develop players the right way instead of waiting til loving high school. At that point the draft becomes irrelevant because nobody wants college players anyway, they're not good enough. Imagine how good Jordan Morris could be if, instead of coming up through the standard US system and farting around at Stanford for four years, someone had actually taught him to shoot with his left foot early on. The player incentive becomes obvious too, because they could start playing professionally younger instead of not loving getting paid for college ball, Jesus Christ why does anybody play in the NCAA? I'm coming around to the fact that MLS needs pro/rel, too. I used to think it would be insanely difficult, but whatever you say about MLS teams it's pretty evident that lower league clubs have grown a lot in the last few years. They're packing the house with fans with the hope that a rich owner and MLS will be convinced to make them an expansion team. Imagine the kind of passion you could get if they didn't even need to wait for that, and could be promoted if their team plays well enough! That means more teams, more academies, more development, more incentive to subsidize local youth soccer and find your next star. We need to get there. e. yeah guys Cameron was injured, totally not match fit for real competition https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/919189678309429248 shirts and skins fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Oct 14, 2017 |
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joepinetree posted:My other hot take is that the whole pay to play aspect of youth soccer in the US is by design so that middle class and above kids don't have to mix up with immigrant and Hispanic kids and the like. Parents prefer to pay $1000 bucks to play other kids who can afford that in a tournament 6 hours away than have little Johnny mixed with Mexican kids at a local park. This is complete bullshit. They pay because they think they are getting better coaching for their kids. And because being on the "best" club is a status thing. It has nothing to do with race.
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African AIDS cum posted:This is complete bullshit. They pay because they think they are getting better coaching for their kids. And because being on the "best" club is a status thing. It has nothing to do with race. Ah, my sweet summer child
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African AIDS cum posted:This is complete bullshit. They pay because they think they are getting better coaching for their kids. And because being on the "best" club is a status thing. It has nothing to do with race. And it's just a coincidence that these paid clubs are nearly all white and middle class or above.
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