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skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Dirk Pitt posted:

Lol that Klinsmann is being blamed. As if the 12 MLS guys over 30 playing yesterday would’ve done better with four years of Arena during the formative 26-30 years.

Klinsmann was a mediocre coach who did not get significantly better results on the pitch than those that came before him. And the lovely results the team got under him in this hex were a major part of the reason why they did not succeed. Is Arena better in any way? Well no, in some ways quite a bit worse, and they should probably have fired his rear end yesterday, panic hiring him was no kind of progress. But I do think the team settled into crappy habits under Klinsmann that they failed to shake off.

Obviously it is not all down to the coaching, American soccer has way worse problems than that (and Klinsmann to his credit actually tried to address some of them), but I can see why people blame him. The biggest argument in Klinsmann's favor was that the US was not likely to get anyone better at the time, and the biggest argument against him is that they still aren't, he did not much improve the results, the team, or the state of the game. At best he kept them from getting worse.

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skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Has Alexi Lalas dared to come out and be a smug oval office about this yet

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Where was Fabian Johnson actually? Not murrican enough for Arena?

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Maybe not, Tim Vickery always says Brazilian club football is dysfunctional as gently caress

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Yeah it's not that MLS teams are poo poo because they are rewarded for doing badly, it's because they have to be insanely terrible in every way before they get seriously punished for it, and when they do get punished it's by the league getting rid of the team so it's not like they can recover from it.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Because the MLS academies are garbage and pay-to-play youth soccer is a lovely way of producing large numbers of skillful and highly motivated players

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Arena out, Adu in

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Not sure you can get wine pints in American bars though

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

RideTheSpiral posted:

incorrect this thread is full of american wine pints

:D

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skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
God forbid a violent, alcoholic moron should disgrace the prestigious office of such luminaries of sport as Sunil Gulati

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