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Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



lmao that the US looked at all the dumb mistakes that Mexico made that allowed the US to dethrone them as the best in CONCACAF and went "oh yeah well we can make even worse decisions"

Parity is bad, and protecting domestic players makes them stagnate and regress. Your team lost to other teams with MLS players but those guys actually had to earn their spots and compete instead of just be mediocre.

Liga MX has been doing the same poo poo for years and I've been whining about MLS doing the same for ever and so lmao at the MLS posters who defended the dumb poo poo their league does

(Mexico isn't far behind, we almost didn't qualify last cycle and we won't be soon if the systemic rot isn't addressed)

Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Oct 11, 2017

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Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



Simone Poodoin posted:


I'm not 100% sure how it works but it seems to me that MLS clubs don't really have a motivation to sell players abroad, do they?

None. The league structure is designed to at best discourage it, the labyrinth of roster rules complicate the already immense challenge of replacing a key player and even if you did develop a great player once you sell them abroad the league takes chunks of your money and gives it to other teams because the league is not interested in competing or development. Just the next set of financials that can be used to convince the next idiot with too much money to join in on the Ponzi scheme.

There is serious incentive to just build a team of middling journeymen and spend big on Marquee players who (the theory goes) get butts in seats and sell merchandise. Surprise surprise, it's a strategy lots of teams follow.

Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Oct 11, 2017

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



I think the U.S. could do pro/rel in the same way Mexico does.

Liga MX is basically the scummiest poo poo and the promotion relegation thing is insanely stacked to the benefit of established popular teams. It's designed to keep you up even if you have a couple bad seasons. It's basically the group of money making teams and then a rotating cast of second string clubs. Breaking into that group of established clubs is a nightmare and falling out of it is even harder. Plenty of Mexican teams have gone on multi year meltdowns and stayed in the first division thanks to that garbage.

Give the poo poo bag owners some security over their dumbass investment if that is what it takes but for fucks sake stop letting DC United continue to exist. There has to be some consequences for running your club like complete rear end for a goddman decade.

Edit: in case you didn't know only one team is promoted relegated each year and it takes 3 years of bad results, that's six "seasons" to get relegated. Newly promoted teams only get two "seasons" worth of points to compare with the big boys. It's super dumb but it keeps Mexican scumbag owners happy because it's going to take a lot of really consistent loving up to get relegated.

Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Oct 12, 2017

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



How the gently caress can you go from watching your team be the dominant force in the confederation to missing a world cup and think MLS is better?

DC United was at one point good enough to be a top team in Liga MX, now not a single MLS team could handle the level of play in Mexico. And Liga MX is GETTING WORSE everyday.

Like if all you care about is how many stadiums there are and number of teams and poseur supporter culture then yeah it's "better" but the on the field product is at worst stagnant and at best regressing with every expansion.

MLS is all flash and no substance, the trappings of a serious league staffed by garbagemen.

Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Oct 12, 2017

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



I'm a huge critic of MLS being poo poo but no dude, yes, DC United could have done really well in the Liga Mayor of the time.

Now it's different, it'd not año MLS being bad either. The restructuring and loads of money that started going to Mexican teams in the 2000s means that Liga MX leverages resources that dwarfs what MLS could do now, but back then, yes DC United was good enough to beat the likes of Morelia

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



They'd never admit as much but yes. Parents will do anything to keep their children away from the ethnics.

There's a huge class and race thing in U.S. youth soccer.

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



Yes it's not that promotion relegation or whatever will magically alone fix youth development in the US but there needs to be some form of pressure to force clubs to address the structures they use for finding and developing players and as long as MLS continues it's policy of pretending to be a real league instead of trying to be one clubs like DC United will exist being garbage in perpetuity and never once put the focus on changing anything.

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Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



Allardicio is the perfect man to grind out results for the U.S.

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