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nopantsjack posted:the varangians were also famous for Never Betraying their Emperor, except for the times they did lol quote:Unlike the native Byzantine guards so mistrusted by Basil II, the Varangian guards' loyalties lay with the position of Emperor, not the man that sat on the throne. This was made clear in 969 when the guards failed to avenge the death by assassination of Emperor Nikephoros II.
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nopantsjack posted:i only recently learned what a varangian was. Pretty sure you were TECHNICALLY only disinherited if you were in constantinople when whoever it was died, you couldn't come back to the town your brother had been ruling for 4 years and be all "sucks to be you, this was actually mine this whole time."
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nopantsjack posted:i only recently learned what a varangian was. I loving hate how all my kids leave in CK2 
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Dreddout posted:I loving hate how all my kids leave in CK2 if they come back tho, they return with great stat bonuses but man, what a mind-gently caress that must've been coming back to resettle in sweden or norway or the kievan rus after years in one of the top three fanciest cities on earth at the time. no wonder they were willing to go on vikes afterwards
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"Roman names" include women's names, which up until the High Empire they didn't so much have. All a man's daughters had the same name, that being the family nomen. So Claudius has daughters Clodia, Clodia, Clodia, and Clodia. In practice, they might be called Clodia the Elder, Clodia the Younger, and Clodia the Third. They could also be Clodia Still beats being an Athenian woman all to hell and gone.
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nopantsjack posted:the varangians were also famous for Never Betraying their Emperor, except for the times they did They were loyal to the emperor, so if you stabbed the old emperor, and became the new one, whelp, them's the rules. Another funny tidbit... it wasn't just vikings. So many Anglo-Saxon nobles left England after William the Conquerer dispossessed them that it became the Anglo-Varangian guard for a while.
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sullat posted:They were loyal to the emperor, so if you stabbed the old emperor, and became the new one, whelp, them's the rules. Another funny tidbit... it wasn't just vikings. So many Anglo-Saxon nobles left England after William the Conquerer dispossessed them that it became the Anglo-Varangian guard for a while. Did they come from the Danelaw regions or the celtic ones?
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maybe im getting the timing wrong but during the dark ages after the romans left western europe in britian we were all like "what titaines madeth thine roadf and bathf, wither they gods or man?" and the romans were literally just chilling out in Turkey the whole time. did nobody tell us?
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zeal posted:if they come back tho, they return with great stat bonuses they also come back gay sometime, while there's nothing wrong with that it really does screw over your chance of securing your bloodline
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nopantsjack posted:maybe im getting the timing wrong but during the dark ages after the romans left western europe in britian we were all like "what titaines madeth thine roadf and bathf, wither they gods or man?" and the romans were literally just chilling out in Turkey the whole time.
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Typo posted:they also come back gay sometime, while there's nothing wrong with that it really does screw over your chance of securing your bloodline Fuckin' Greeks corrupting our viking youth with bathing and buttsex
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Dreddout posted:Fuckin' Greeks corrupting our viking youth with bathing and buttsex buttsex during bathing learn more history schlub 
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Did they come from the Danelaw regions or the celtic ones? My understanding is that during the 20 years after the conquest, William was diligently stripping away lands from the Saxon nobles to give to Norman ones. The dispossessed nobles had heard about the Varangian guard somehow, and flocked there to join up. Presumably they came from the south of England first, and then the north during the 'harrying of the North'. Apparently, they still held a grudge 20 years later in a battle against Sicilian Normans, where they charged the enemy line without orders and got massacred to the last man.
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nopantsjack posted:maybe im getting the timing wrong but during the dark ages after the romans left western europe in britian we were all like "what titaines madeth thine roadf and bathf, wither they gods or man?" and the romans were literally just chilling out in Turkey the whole time. There was at least one generation between the withdrawal of the legions and the eventual end of Romano-British rule, so it's not like everyone got a terminal case of the stupids overnight. However, as decades passed and acquired knowledge dwindled, accelerated by both the end of contact with the old Imperial center and the influx of less technologically advanced peoples like the Saxons, bit by bit people forgot what they'd forgot. Eventually, you have people who don't know much about where those old stone ruins came from, only that they've been there A Really Long Time and further speculation is pointless because we've more pressing concerns like that big, heavily-mailed Scandinavian fellow with the gory battle ax over there.
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Top City Homo posted:buttsex during bathing
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Typo posted:they also come back gay sometime, while there's nothing wrong with that it really does screw over your chance of securing your bloodline just be bisexual, idiots
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I highly, highly recommend John Clarke's Roman Sex, which will tell you a lot about how Romans categorized sex -- what counted as "manly", for instance -- and what they considered appropriate and inappropriate. Also lots of pictures. didn't they consider beards too womanly?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:There was at least one generation between the withdrawal of the legions and the eventual end of Romano-British rule, so it's not like everyone got a terminal case of the stupids overnight. However, as decades passed and acquired knowledge dwindled, accelerated by both the end of contact with the old Imperial center and the influx of less technologically advanced peoples like the Saxons, bit by bit people forgot what they'd forgot. Eventually, you have people who don't know much about where those old stone ruins came from, only that they've been there A Really Long Time and further speculation is pointless because we've more pressing concerns like that big, heavily-mailed Scandinavian fellow with the gory battle ax over there. makes you wonder how much we'll forget in the next 1k years
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got any sevens posted:makes you wonder how much we'll forget in the next 1k years Next thousand years nothing, I got me a deluxe size bowl of chili right here and by the time I'm done I'm not remembering anything.
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got any sevens posted:makes you wonder how much we'll forget in the next 1k years Barring a catastrophe that's in the sweet spot of damaging civilzation but not wiping us out I can't imagine much. Electronic data archiving really is a game changer. A thousand years from now, the ai overmind of planet Saturn will still be able to look up what groverhaus was
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lol you think we'll still have electricity
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got any sevens posted:lol you think we'll still have electricity The quantum hard drives that contain the sum total of human knowledge will look quite dramatic around the necks of the last techno-shamans, as they try and ward off the creeping radiation sickness.
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lol, literally just lol, if u think digital garbage lasts forever w/o decaying
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Dreddout posted:Barring a catastrophe that's in the sweet spot of damaging civilzation but not wiping us out I can't imagine much. ACCESS SUM OF OLDHUMAN KNOWLEDGE PRIOR TO GREAT MIGRATION PROCESSING... PROCESSING... RETRIEVED. HEH, "DICKBUTT." HEH. Captain_Maclaine has issued a correction as of 04:12 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Yandat posted:best Rome podcast is Fall of Rome with Patrick Wyman thanks for this. i tried listening to the dan carlin one a few years ago and it was pretty bad
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Captain_Maclaine posted:ACCESS SUM OF OLDHUMAN KNOWLEDGE PRIOR TO GREAT MIGRATION *builds a constellation of Dyson Spheres* *uses it to calculate Pepe rarity*
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What's wrong with Carlin I haven't listened to his rome stuff, but of the stuff I have heard, the worst thing you can say is that he's too pop-history.
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Dreddout posted:Fuckin' Greeks corrupting our viking youth with bathing and buttsex
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rudatron posted:What's wrong with Carlin Carlin use of sources is Trump-esque. He uses untruthful, wrong, outdated, debunked sources and, together with his great-man analysis (he's super stupid), the effect is only bombastic nonsense. At best, he's a drama queen that wants to make history like a movie trailer; at worst, it's like listening to the Daily Mail citing Info Wars...
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This aint precisely roman but ive been reading the autobiography of this tall drink of water and it owns. He's insanely frank about what it's like to be a 15th century central asian warlord, turns out its chill af wine and opium parties (never mix, apparently it's a bad idea) 24/7. He gets black out drunk a lot and rides through camp lighting tents on fire, trips balls while invading india, berates his son's handwriting, hunts mad rhino. It's a wild read
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rudatron posted:What's wrong with Carlin he peaked at rome the rest of his stuff are bad
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Please don't spread this sort of prejudice. The Vikings were really into personal hygiene and grooming (not the Greeco-Roman kind). Not true according to the swedes themselves, I was at a swedish Viking museum last year and they talked about how filthy they were. The only primary source they had was a Muslim tourist writing down his travels who said something like "By Allah! These are the filthiest people god ever created!"
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nopantsjack posted:Not true according to the swedes themselves, I was at a swedish Viking museum last year and they talked about how filthy they were. "... and caused much trouble to the natives of the land; for they were wont, after the fashion of their country, to comb their hair every day, to bathe every Saturday, to change their garments often, and set off their persons by many such frivolous devices. In this matter they laid siege to the virtue of the married woman, and persuaded the daughters even of the noble to be their concubines. For these and other like causes there arose many quarrels and was in the realm."
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Western europeans, dogs living in their own poo poo.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Antonio Banderas was hanging out with Vikings on a difficult journey, plus Muslim grooming standards were pretty high as well. In England, the cleanliness of the Vikings actually lead to social upheaval, as the local women became enthralled with these beautiful foreigners. Oh yeah no doubt they were cleaner than English bog people, we only remotely became clean recently and used to think washing yourself was unhealthy. They're still filthy bastards only bathing once a week despite living a much dirtier lifestyle than we do today.
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If you had the choice between loving a dirty Scandinavian or a hideous British person who has only bathed for medical purposes you'd gently caress the scando every time.
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Ali Alkali posted:Western europeans, dogs living in their own poo poo. gotta form that disease resistance to prep for the late game
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nopantsjack posted:Not true according to the swedes themselves, I was at a swedish Viking museum last year and they talked about how filthy they were. His complaint was that they shared bowls when they washed their faces every day. Water someone else has already used is ritually unclean in Islam so that legitimately probably seemed actively more dirty than the people who weren't bothering to wash in the first place, at least they were just STAYING filthy instead of actively wiping filth onto themselves.
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rudatron posted:What's wrong with Carlin His early stuff is decent though not particularly deep, and it only goes down hill from there particularly as he's, what's a nice way to say this, less than thorough and discriminating in what sources he draws from.
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