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I'd be fine switching between the 64 and 3D World formulas for each new Mario game. I love both formulas.
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They could always just retire 2D Mario for a little while. NSMB has well and truly run its course.
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Oct 18, 2017 10:46
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I'd say that the "diminishing returns" on NSMB are due to the fact the Wii U didn't sell well to begin with. Even then, NSMBU was one of the system's most successful games, and Mario Maker is essentially an installment of the series because it uses NSMB's overall gameplay. For all the poo poo NSMB2 got it's the fifth best selling 3DS game of all time, so. There's still an audience there. There's still steam in 2D Mario. It's one of those cases where the prevailing attitude among fans differs highly from that of the public.
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Oct 18, 2017 10:55
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I'd love for the next Mario game to be Odyssey 2, a "level pack" style full-sized sequel much like Galaxy 2 was.
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Oct 18, 2017 11:18
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I never finished Sunshine because I couldn't invert the camera and the first couple levels I spent a long time climbing up and then fell down and didn't want to do it again.
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Oct 18, 2017 11:23
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2D Mario definitely has some legs in it still but it needs new visuals like desperately. I think NSMBU in particular gets a bad rap, but that aesthetic has run its course. I want them to do some new and creative things with 2D Mario. Mario Maker had some of that Mario Paint weirdness on top of everything and it contributed to NSMB feeling much less stale, they need to tap into that more. I'm really sick of homogenous, safe Mario. Sunshine is honestly bafflingly bad in some places (who the gently caress is responsible for the lilypad level?) but I look fondly on it because it's so unabashedly weird and risky. There was something starting in the late years of the Wii where Mario just started losing its ambition and character and even when the games were good they were missing something. The RPGs are a prime example of that but that's an entirely different can of worms. You can even see it in Mario Party and the sports games, which have become much plainer. I would pinpoint Galaxy 2 as where the series started losing some of its edge to me? (It's still a very good game) 3D World felt like an upturn in that where they started trying to exercise some creativity again. Odyssey is 3D World's physics and creativity but in a Mario 64 collect-a-thon type game. That's good as hell. Odyssey is getting back to what I really liked about Mario back in the Gamecube era, the fact that nothing felt too sacred in terms of tone and consistency if it meant Mario got to do something entertaining and creative.
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Oct 18, 2017 15:47
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TFRazorsaw posted:I'd say that the "diminishing returns" on NSMB are due to the fact the Wii U didn't sell well to begin with. Even then, NSMBU was one of the system's most successful games, and Mario Maker is essentially an installment of the series because it uses NSMB's overall gameplay. The NSMBs have all been fine games, but surely it's time for something different. There was a time when every Mario was drastically different. I want something as weird as Mario Land 2 again.
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Oct 18, 2017 16:06
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Really haven't been this excited for a Mario game since the Galaxies. I think I got about halfway through 3D World before I lost interest; it felt like 3D Land with true multiplayer, which is cool but maybe underwhelming for me as far as a console Mario experience. My preference for the Galaxies over 3D World may come down to camera positioning. Because 3D World had to adapt for multiplayer, the camera has a wide field of view where you look down on maneuvering characters to the end of a closed-off game board. The Galaxies often kept you at Mario's eye level and occasionally looking up, so the experience felt more vast & open even if the platforming was just as linear as in 3D world. My brother recently played through all the 3D Marios in anticipation for Odyssey, and he gushed about Mario's fast & lithe physics in Sunshine as compared to the Galaxies, where he was heavier & floatier, I guess to emphasize the gravitational physics of those games. So he's really happy that the dive is back, though I wonder how nimble Mario will feel this time.
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Oct 18, 2017 16:10
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The thing though is that NSMB exists because it was a response to a niche that people were asking for and clearly still want a helluva lot. Yeah, maybe it exists because it's somewhat easier to produce, but I don't think you can say it's something that they've FLOODED stuff with so much as they wanted a big franchise represented on both their consoles for their respective lifespans. It's just that the Wii U died fast and the 3DS didn't. I mean, MK8 and MK7 aren't separated by that much time either. I don't think there's anything wrong with going back to that well if it sells well enough, and there's something timeless about 2D Mario gameplay that I can pick it up and have fun with any installment. Your mileage may very of course. But I don't think that's keeping Nintendo from taking risks; look at Odyssey.
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Oct 18, 2017 16:19
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Jesus dude, we know they only made 4 of them, the fact that they wore out their welcome by the 3DS/WiiU installments says a lot about how bland these games are. I have played them all and enjoyed them a lot, but those last two felt like level packs. You can only release the same game so many times.
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Oct 18, 2017 18:33
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My biggest worry about Odyssey is how boring a lot of moons are. There's videos of people doing that Target demo and getting like 20 of them in less than 9 minutes before the demo cuts them off and that just sends up red flags for me. I want the locale based coins to be the collectable junk, not the big "important" items of the game.
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Oct 18, 2017 18:43
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Make the next 2D game Super Mario Generations. Put those Mario Maker assets to good use.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:My biggest worry about Odyssey is how boring a lot of moons are. There's videos of people doing that Target demo and getting like 20 of them in less than 9 minutes before the demo cuts them off and that just sends up red flags for me. I want the locale based coins to be the collectable junk, not the big "important" items of the game. We know for sure there are Moons in the vein of Stars and Shine Sprites from previous games where they functioned more like level goals. I guess it depends on how many of them you need to advance to the next level, but the easier ones might make it easier for people not too good at platforming to progress at the game.
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Oct 18, 2017 18:59
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:My biggest worry about Odyssey is how boring a lot of moons are. There's videos of people doing that Target demo and getting like 20 of them in less than 9 minutes before the demo cuts them off and that just sends up red flags for me. I want the locale based coins to be the collectable junk, not the big "important" items of the game. I like the idea of having purpose to jump around in a sandbox so I'm all for it
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Oct 18, 2017 19:11
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nerdbot posted:2D Mario definitely has some legs in it still but it needs new visuals like desperately. I think NSMBU in particular gets a bad rap, but that aesthetic has run its course. I want them to do some new and creative things with 2D Mario. Mario Maker had some of that Mario Paint weirdness on top of everything and it contributed to NSMB feeling much less stale, they need to tap into that more. ThisIsACoolGuy posted:My biggest worry about Odyssey is how boring a lot of moons are. There's videos of people doing that Target demo and getting like 20 of them in less than 9 minutes before the demo cuts them off and that just sends up red flags for me. I want the locale based coins to be the collectable junk, not the big "important" items of the game.
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Oct 18, 2017 20:01
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nerdbot posted:"We can zoom all the way to the moon of this great wide wacky world" Another realization I just had about this: The Broodals (the bride service team Bowser hired) are bunnies, which are culturally associated with the moon in Japan. We're so loving going to the moon and using our hat to possess Bowser to punch out the Bunny Mom who will reveal herself to be the real villain. That's my called shot.
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Oct 19, 2017 14:47
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You end up possessing THE MOON and crash it against mushroom kingdom.
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Oct 19, 2017 14:50
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:You end up possessing THE MOON and crash it against mushroom kingdom. And what do you do then
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Oct 19, 2017 14:58
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Make a big pizza.
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Regy Rusty posted:And what do you do then Head back up into the sky and give Link another three days. Hopefully he won't gently caress it up this time.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:You end up possessing THE MOON and crash it against mushroom kingdom. Jesus I can actually see this too This would basically be a page out of the Kirby Planet Robobot book. nerdbot fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 15:09
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yea I could see it being some 'Bowser is GIANT now' thing where you need to somehow possess the entire moon to fight him. At this point gently caress it, why not?
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Oct 20, 2017 00:00
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Mario + Rabbids: Mario gets a gun. Super Mario Odyssey: Mario gets a tank. Mario + Rabbids: Bowser becomes a winged cyberdemon Super Mario Odyssey: Bowser ????
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sexpig by night posted:yea I could see it being some 'Bowser is GIANT now' thing where you need to somehow possess the entire moon to fight him. At this point gently caress it, why not? Wasn't he already gigantic in Super Mario Galaxy?
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Oct 20, 2017 00:28
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The phrase "wacky world" also suggests the cancelled CDi game, Super Mario's Wacky Worlds, which was to be a SMW-styled game using real-world settings.
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Oct 20, 2017 00:29
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The final Bowser fight better be a multi-phase epic where Bowser is possessing all sorts of stuff to attack you and you have to possess all sorts of stuff to fight back then finally Mario and Bowser throw hats at the same time and possess each other and now you're Bowser trying to fight Mario
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Oct 20, 2017 01:41
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They kind of did the whole "Bowser tries to beat Mario at his own game" in 3D World with him using the power ups, so I'm somewhat conflicted.
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TFRazorsaw posted:They kind of did the whole "Bowser tries to beat Mario at his own game" in 3D World with him using the power ups, so I'm somewhat conflicted. Cappy is not a power up, he's a skill gently caress, when do you think Jump Up Super Star plays? Hopefully not only over the credits, it plays like during a boss fight or something
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Calaveron posted:Cappy is not a power up, he's a skill The recent direct showed the Pauline concert scene as a playable environment.
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Oct 20, 2017 01:45
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I just meant that in the sense that Bowser has done a boss fight where he emulates Mario before. The hat thing sounds super cool but part of me also wants to see Bowser with his own tricks.
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Oct 20, 2017 01:46
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Bowser revealing his hat can also capture things in the final boss fight is pretty much the logical conclusion I'm extremely hoping for the "they somehow capture each other" outcome though
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Oct 20, 2017 01:59
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Oh man, the final Bowser battle of 3D World was so good. I am definitely getting Odyssey but it is my hope that 3D World gets a Switch port so more people can actually play it.
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Oct 20, 2017 01:59
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They also gave Bowser a tail in 3D Land. I don't remember if it was used in the final battle, but that game's final boss was great, too. I don't mind them using that gimmick in more final fights as long as they feel different enough.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:You end up possessing THE MOON and crash it against mushroom kingdom. That's a bit like what I thought was going to happen for a brief moment when I shot the moon in Portal 2.
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Oct 20, 2017 06:02
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The final fight better be some serious twisted gay bowser sex.
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Oct 20, 2017 06:30
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Waltzing Along posted:The final fight better be some serious twisted gay bowser sex. It's a kids game, expect intense hand-holding and cheek-kissing at most. But yeah, I hope Bowser kisses the hell out of Mario's cheek.
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Oct 20, 2017 10:20
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 https://nintendowire.com/news/2017/10/20/wedding-peach-amiibo-unlocks-bridal-dress-mario/You can dress Mario in a nice pretty wedding gown, GOTY of the millennium confirmed
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Hedrigall posted:
Cue a million frothy reaction videos on facebook from the conservative chud-o-shpere that get likes from racist fish holders.
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Hedrigall posted:
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also good to see, the box confirms that you can get everything in game, but the amiibos are just easy unlocks. I will earn Mario his wedding dress, the honorable way.
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