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Burt Sexual posted:Burt Sexual, it right there. you dare address his neoliberaliness out of turn?!?!
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T.S. Smelliot posted:you dare address his neoliberaliness out of turn?!?! i'm more of a tankie than a neo liberal, florida man
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Peace de Bundy posted:i'm more of a tankie than a neo liberal, florida man lol
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The Iraqi army has proven itself competent in the past and I'm sure they'll make quick work of these rebels
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poverty goat posted:The Iraqi army has proven itself competent in the past and I'm sure they'll make quick work of these rebels if by "rebels" you mean "left-behind Kurdish civilians" then definitely
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 file photo of american actor bryan cranston giving medal of freedom to president of iraq
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Maya Fey posted:I would extend this to "regime change" Getting rid of the head and leaving the middle management in charge would probably have been way more effective
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Ein cooler Typ posted:they oppressed females, you misogynist I thought the baath party were modernizing secularists
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Asians do that two-finger sign in all their pics What's it supposed to be?
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Either you leave them in power, or you jail/execute all of them. Firing them but leaving them around to cause trouble was a bad idea because what do you think all the trained military men, spies, and secret police are going to do after you put them out in the street with no jobs
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Neutrino posted:Awesome picture. She gives the peace sign and flips us off at the same time. it's a statement, sir. about the duality of man
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:the problem with gutting Iraq and leaving it with an unstable puppet regime ruling multiple openly warring factions and surrounded by nations whose rulers despise the West, is that we didn't put the guys who are now ISIS in charge 
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deport them all to Iran like Cuba shipped all its felons to Miami
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:deport them all to Iran like Cuba shipped all its felons to Miami I don't think the life expectancy for Sunni military officers is that great in Iran
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what's the life expectancy for Kurds under a vengeful US-supported Baathist regime
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:what's the life expectancy for Kurds under a vengeful US-supported Baathist regime They'd be busy getting their asses kicked by shia militias, so pretty decent Edit: they meaning the regime OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Oct 16, 2017 |
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:I thought the baath party were modernizing secularists during their height in the 80's, yeah but iraqi culture remains very conservative. in syria, it was less so
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:I thought the baath party were modernizing secularists In the Middle East this translates to oppressive and corrupt military regime with rape and torture dungeons.
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"modernizing and secular" here is relative to Iran and Saudi Arabia so yeah they really were
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Randarkman posted:In the Middle East this translates to oppressive and corrupt military regime with rape and torture dungeons. Isn't that pretty much every single nation in the middle east? Well, except for the military part I guess
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Peace de Bundy posted:iranian people are very secular tho Iranian exiles and many of the upper class and upper middle class in Tehran, sure. Iranians as a whole are pretty conservative even though the support for reform is pretty big.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:"modernizing and secular" here is relative to Iran and Saudi Arabia so yeah they really were i imagine as someone already mentioned about their constant claims about how they have sexy women soldiers: it is of course a ploy to get more support combined with a depressing fact that if they don't pick up an AK they are likely to have a worse job and life still, even if the kurdish situation isn't as empowered, secular or modern as it claims to be it is something to cheer for in a region of depressing dead rape poo poo so you might as well listen to their cool theme song, and cheer for the good? side! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M0ZbLSoqbA
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Peace de Bundy posted:iranian people are very secular tho I look forward to the new US religion police.
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Why are secularism or modernity considered good now? Seems pretty culturally insensitive and chauvinistic
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extra stout posted:i imagine as someone already mentioned about their constant claims about how they have sexy women soldiers: it is of course a ploy to get more support combined with a depressing fact that if they don't pick up an AK they are likely to have a worse job and life The Baath Party was Saddam's party, the guys who were into exterminating Kurds
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Burt Sexual posted:I look forward to the new US religion police. but ted cruz lost
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:The Baath Party was Saddam's party, the guys who were into exterminating Kurds I think everyone in that area is into exterminating Kurds.
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everyone in the region is into exterminating everyone else in the region, it's a big ol' genocide free-for-all that every few decades degrades into pan-ethnic nationalistic democracy, which fortunately we have the CIA to immediately fix
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:everyone in the region is into exterminating everyone else in the region, it's a big ol' genocide free-for-all that every few decades degrades into pan-ethnic nationalistic democracy, which fortunately we have the CIA to immediately fix Well yes, nationalism is wrong and bad
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Peace de Bundy posted:but ted cruz lost Religion “freedom”czar lol Finally we’re going to give the muslims some space https://www.thedailybeast.com/does-new-religious-freedom-czar-sam-brownback-believe-in-dominionism
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Here's some information from a member of the KRG. I wouldn't take it completely at face value, but it's all we really got for now: https://twitter.com/Barzani_HN/status/919997319235424257 And, of courses, there's this: https://twitter.com/Barzani_HN/status/919994154528231424 The first thread sounds believeable, but the second sounds like propaganda at this point. Iraq holds the city uncontested, with the roads clogged with refugees right now. The Kurds seem to be in massive chaos right now, and trying to lead a counterattack back into the city they fled because they were outnumbered, seems like a bad idea.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Well yes, nationalism is wrong and bad USA!!! USA!!!!!!!
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naem posted:USA!!! USA!!!!!!! Look at this atavistic magachud
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really queer Christmas posted:Here's some information from a member of the KRG. I wouldn't take it completely at face value, but it's all we really got for now: going to launch a #surprise #attack, major clapback comin at u @Defense_Iraq
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Isn't the idea of a unified Kurdish state waiting to happen bullshit? IIRC the main kurdish groups in Iraq and Turkey don't like each other at all, which has been exploited by Turkey which cooperated with the Iraqi kurds against the turkish ones not too long ago. Confirm/deny GBS.
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The Kurds could take the Iraqis, but they can't take the Iraqis, Turks, and Iranians. Their best bet to make a play for independence would involve the destabilization of all three of their opponents, which, haha, good loving luck. Especially considering that Turkey is a member of NATO, both Turkey and Iraq are, ostensibly, US allies, Iran is a regional heavyweight with deep political and military influence in Iraq, and no sovereign nation will back their play. The potential for an independent Kurdistan poses a serious or mortal threat to all three nations, and uniquely unites their disparate interests in a manner no other issue does. Expect the Kurds to be poo poo upon for the rest of our lives, barring a catastrophic failure in one of those states greater than the threat ISIS posed to Iraq. The Kurds know this, which is one of the reasons they see no alternative to letting the Iraqis start ratcheting up their level of control of Kurdish territories.
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Syncopated posted:Isn't the idea of a unified Kurdish state waiting to happen bullshit? IIRC the main kurdish groups in Iraq and Turkey don't like each other at all, which has been exploited by Turkey which cooperated with the Iraqi kurds against the turkish ones not too long ago. Confirm/deny GBS. Grossly simplified: Turkey/Syria: PKK/YPG = Nice guy socialists (well except for the occasional act of terrorism lol) Iraqi Kurdistan (under Barzani): KDP = Conservative shitters
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