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chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014


2x2 size

Another of the “guns everyone knows” guns, the Luger is also the default evil gun for people you want to seem especially Nazi-like.

The Luger deserves the distinction of being the originator of the 9x19mm Parabellum round that is so easily found around the world. Accepted into Imperial German service in 1908, this old gun has an unusual toggle-lock mechanism that bends like a knee joint instead of sliding back and forth like the common Browning design. It has the perfect grip angle for a target pistol, making it a natural pointer and straight shooter.

The real gun is known for being very picky about its ammo, which has given it a reputation for poor reliability. The gun in game reflects a well-maintained gun using proper ammo, and as such it has similar reliability as more modern guns instead of some clapped-out old war trophy firing a weird mix of underpowered ammo like a lot of users in real life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW0qDsMIAlk

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bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Question, if not a spoiler, what does thie rope mean if you talk to him?

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED


Earp wants to stick the Luger and TNT in the car for later use.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

bunnyofdoom posted:

Question, if not a spoiler, what does thie rope mean if you talk to him?

It's a tiny spoiler, but it's a moot point now since we locked ourselves out of that option. If you just talk to him, he'll give you his dog tags to fake his death and the rope as a message to the rebels that you're an ally who can be trusted. I think he also gives you the location of the rebel camp.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Any last claims on the loot or are we good?

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

Maybe you're weighing the moral pros and cons but let me assure you that OH MY GOD
SHOOT ME IN THE GODDAMNED FACE
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!
I don't think anything there is good for Dessert.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Davin Valkri posted:

I don't think anything there is good for Dessert.

What about for lunch?

:downsrim:

Shoeless
Sep 2, 2011

chitoryu12 posted:

What about for lunch?

:downsrim:

I'm pretty sure jokes of that caliber are considered war crimes.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Good thing we are mercs

Shoeless
Sep 2, 2011

bunnyofdoom posted:

Good thing we are mercs

Can paramilitary units not be brought to court for war crimes? Hell, in that case if I ever end up in the game can I get a flamethrower or something?

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




Considering y'all are already deploying shotguns as anti-personelle weaponry you may as well go hog wild

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
JA2 question:
are there mortars?

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

JcDent posted:

JA2 question:
are there mortars?

There are actually no emplaced weapons in this game at all. Everything is man-portable, even though some (like the biggest anti-materiel rifles) can only be fired on the bipod. I wonder how badly the game would break trying to incorporate turrets or the like.

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
I guess they didn't get to emplaced weapons until Marauder Man of Prey; that's got a couple of big static machine-guns in it. I haven't played it myself yet though; I don't know how they handle. I seem to remember Tin Tim saying in his LP of Marauder that they were pretty awkward to use.


On mortars in 7.62; I did notice recently that if you tell a character to hip-fire an under-barrel grenade launcher, they'll fire it up in the air in kind of a mortar-like trajectory. I've been finding it incredibly useful.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




considering the engagement distances that sounds like a smart plan since you're usually too close for the grenades to arm by the time they reach their target :v:

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014



With the Luger and TNT in the car, dog tags recovered, and spare loot sold, the crew returns to Artrigo at sunset.



Amazingly, the troops have no trouble with Cameron walking into the government headquarters open carrying an MP5K.





"Tell me more about Captain Barrera," Cameron says. "Why can't your own men rescue him?"

"Captain Barrera made a name for himself during the civil war. When most of the rebels were destroyed, Enrique was sent to serve in Campecino. It was one of the best postings we had. However, according to eyewitnesses, he was recently involved in a firefight with the terrorists and was captured."

"And the reason I'm giving this to you and not the army is simple. The guerrilla camp is well hidden and well protected. The locals have long harbored separatist sentiments, so it's hard for us to launch an area search without tipping off the rebels and it'll be even harder to launch a full-scale assault on the camp without virtually guaranteeing that Barrera will be executed before we get to him. This would require more resources than we can spare at the moment.

"A single operative can conduct this operation with greater finesse. It's likely that the guerrillas will contact you themselves, once you get into the restricted zone. You are not officially a government agent. You're new to the country, so you have a good chance of staying alive. Besides, I've heard of your anti-government stint in Palinero."

Cameron's eyes go hard, and Rebenga smiles.

"Don't be surprised. We know much more about that country than you think. So, in short, I have high hopes for your professionalism, and that is why I'm relying on you in this matter."

We now have unrestricted access to the whole country of Algeira. With that comes added danger: bandits patrol the restricted zone,
putting us at constant risk of attack as we travel the southern half of the country. This does mean that we can finally fulfill our mission for the Santa-Maria gun runner and drop off that package in Cali-Cantinos.


Where do we go next?

1. Accept the mission and start searching for the rebel camp to rescue Barrera. We don't know where the camp is, so we can either ask around with civilians who might be in the know or just wander the southern half of the country until we stumble upon the camp.

2. Return to Paco and help escort Miguel to El Vertigo.

3. Head to Cali-Cantinos to drop off the package (you can also vote to do this in addition to one of the above).

4. Ignore the possible missions and just try to find the rebels ourselves.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED


Earp thinks the team should do something easy while the wounded recover. Maybe they can find a cheaper doctor in Cali-Cantinos.

Shoeless
Sep 2, 2011

chitoryu12 posted:

With that comes added danger: bandits patrol the restricted zone, putting us at constant risk of attack as we travel the southern half of the country.

Does it also give the opportunity to loot some guns, ammunition and other supplies from bandit corpses?

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED


If you can kill them, yes.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Looting the corpses would be a lot easier if we hadn't already filled our vehicle with everything we can carry. I think we can fit one or two rifles or their equivalent before we're out of space.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

Maybe you're weighing the moral pros and cons but let me assure you that OH MY GOD
SHOOT ME IN THE GODDAMNED FACE
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!

chitoryu12 posted:

Looting the corpses would be a lot easier if we hadn't already filled our vehicle with everything we can carry. I think we can fit one or two rifles or their equivalent before we're out of space.

Can we get a run down of what's in our vehicle? Now that we all have tommy guns or similar, maybe some of it is vendor trash?

Quinntan
Sep 11, 2013
Last time we had a car inventory dump it was this

* x1 Remington 870 Express (12 Gauge) - 4 rounds
* x1 IMI Mini Uzi (9x19mm) - 25 rounds
* x1 Colt M1873 (.357 Magnum) - 0 rounds
* x1 PPSh-41 (7.62x25mm) - 0 rounds
* x59 rounds of 12 Gauge buckshot
* x84 rounds of 7.62x25mm FMJ
* x50 rounds of 9x19mm M882
* x5 50-round Thompson M1928A1 drums - 50 rounds
* x1 50-round Thompson M1928A1 drum - 49 rounds
* x1 50-round Thompson M1928A1 drum - 48 rounds
* x1 50-round Thompson M1928A1 drum - 23 rounds
* x1 25-round Uzi magazine - 25 rounds
* x3 M67 fragmentation grenades
* x1 M86 PDM
* x3 bottles of wine
* x1 Phenamine
* x2 Individual Bandage Kit
* x1 backpack

Last combat action we looted

* x1 Beretta Px4 Storm (.40 S&W) - 14 rounds
* x2 Colt M1911A1 (.45 ACP) - 7 rounds
* x2 7-round M1911 magazines (.45 ACP) - 7 rounds
* x1 14-round Beretta Px4 Storm magazine (.40 S&W) - 14 rounds
* x2 50-round boxes of .45 ACP FMJ
* x1 50-round box of .40 S&W JHP

Out of curiosity, what's my own loadout looking like?

Quinntan fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Feb 8, 2018

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

Maybe you're weighing the moral pros and cons but let me assure you that OH MY GOD
SHOOT ME IN THE GODDAMNED FACE
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!
I think we should get a loadout check on everyone. Maybe we can sell off those drum magazines, or top off the PPSH, or sell the wine?

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Quinntan posted:

Out of curiosity, what's my own loadout looking like?

The last loadout update was two pages ago, toward the bottom. I need to check any differences for Earp and Paquito from reloading their Thompsons but this is Verchic:

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
Oof, is that body there an unconscious Dessert?

I don't know, she doesn't look so good. Maybe you guys should hang around one of the towns passing time until she's less catatonic and bleeding. If there's no time/money pressure, anyway; I don't know how it's been set up for this exactly; whether everyone needs to be paid or not.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

Maybe you're weighing the moral pros and cons but let me assure you that OH MY GOD
SHOOT ME IN THE GODDAMNED FACE
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!
Maybe it'd be best to return Dessert to the rotation and bring in a new merc; otherwise we'd be going in to any fight one man down.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Antistar01 posted:

Oof, is that body there an unconscious Dessert?

I don't know, she doesn't look so good. Maybe you guys should hang around one of the towns passing time until she's less catatonic and bleeding. If there's no time/money pressure, anyway; I don't know how it's been set up for this exactly; whether everyone needs to be paid or not.

I'm doing what I can to skip over the game's mandatory payments. Unfortunately the ability to control how much mercs charge isn't working properly in my copy of Blue Sun, so you may see some oddities in my efforts to keep the team together.

Davin Valkri posted:

Maybe it'd be best to return Dessert to the rotation and bring in a new merc; otherwise we'd be going in to any fight one man down.

I would need to see if Dessert can be rehired normally if fired right now.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Here's updated inventories for everyone:













I forgot to put it in his hands, but Earp still has his Thompson.

Also, I tested firing and re-hiring Dessert. She was in the exact same condition upon re-hiring, which means either she heals at the usual rate or she's frozen in time and won't heal until she's part of the unit. I'm not entirely sure without more extensive testing.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED


We still too broke to afford a doctor?

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Sperglord Actual posted:

We still too broke to afford a doctor?

99% sure that's a yes.

Bacarruda
Mar 30, 2011

Mutiny!?! More like "reinterpreted orders"
iirc, mercs will (slowly) heal if left on their own for a while. But it does take a while.

At this point, the best thing to do is let Dessert go and see if there's any escort or rescue quests we could do while we have a 6th spot open on our squad.

rifles
Oct 8, 2007
is this thing working

Bacarruda posted:

iirc, mercs will (slowly) heal if left on their own for a while. But it does take a while.

At this point, the best thing to do is let Dessert go and see if there's any escort or rescue quests we could do while we have a 6th spot open on our squad.

It's pretty quick when you're driving between towns because so much time passes. Quicker anyway.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Anyone else okay with Dessert being temporarily let go until she heals? If so, sparkmaster will be up next to take Davin's place.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

Maybe you're weighing the moral pros and cons but let me assure you that OH MY GOD
SHOOT ME IN THE GODDAMNED FACE
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!
As the one most affected, I am good with it.

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED


No objections.

Quinntan
Sep 11, 2013
fine by me

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

sparkmaster, you still watching this thread?

If he's not available, Circlmaster is next up, followed by bunnyofdoom.

Bacarruda
Mar 30, 2011

Mutiny!?! More like "reinterpreted orders"

chitoryu12 posted:

Anyone else okay with Dessert being temporarily let go until she heals? If so, sparkmaster will be up next to take Davin's place.

Works for me.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

chitoryu12 posted:

sparkmaster, you still watching this thread?

If he's not available, Circlmaster is next up, followed by bunnyofdoom.

Fingers crossed here then.

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sparkmaster
Apr 1, 2010
I'm ready to play terribly and die an awful death.

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