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GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Taintrunner posted:

The new Moderate Rebel has a plug for Ken Burns' new miniseries, How Russia Created Racism in America: https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebelsradio/episode-8-puppy-memes-pokemon-russiagate-aaron-mate

My wife is now staring at me from laughing so hard.

That fake add is pretty amazing. The podcast is not however, they engage in holodomor denial and blame the US 100% for the annexation of Crimea.

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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

GoluboiOgon posted:

That fake add is pretty amazing. The podcast is not however, they engage in holodomor denial and blame the US 100% for the annexation of Crimea.

They challenge the "double genocide" narrative, along the lines of counting reduced birth rates as the number of people killed by The Evils of Communism. You may not agree with it, but they break it down in a more substantial way than simple "holodomor denial." There is a lot of hosed up history around the Soviet Union, but American propaganda has gone to significant efforts to pin them as equally evil as the Nazis, while the pure and clean America remains oh so pretty

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

I like communist theory and hate "fun" morning zoo poo poo, so Tampa-based Swampside Chats is my favorite. Once in a while they use a sound effect or tell a joke and I get angry until they start more dry speculation on Lenin.

E: Their news roundups are meh, but their discussions of classic Marxist texts are useful.

platzapS has issued a correction as of 03:37 on Oct 26, 2017

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
This week's RWN really hits John Dolan's wheelhouse. The first hour is an overview of the Byzantine-Sassanid wars from the 6th century and then Patrick Cockburn talks about the clusterfuck in Iraqi Kurdistan. He was like an excited kid the whole time. All that was missing was a segment on the Troubles.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Now I really want a communist morning zoo crew.

New New Fresh
May 26, 2013

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Now I really want a communist morning zoo crew.

isn't that just cum town

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Now I really want a communist morning zoo crew.

next up: mia Khalifa reading Capital while riding the Sybian.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Ron Jeremy posted:

next up: mia Khalifa reading Capital while riding the Sybian.

IN FINANCIAL NEWS TODAY THE MARKETS ARE TAKING A DOWNTURN
*flushing toilet soundclip*
FOLKS ONCE AGAIN THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM PERPETUATES ITSELF WITH AN ENDLESS CYCLE OF CRISIS
*booing audience soundclip*
ONLY SOCIALISM CAN LEAD US OUT OF THE OPPRESSION OF OUR BOURGEOIS OVERLORDS AND END THE PROCESS OF EXPLOITATION
*awooga soundclip**"ohhhh yeah" soundclip**boioioioioing soundclip*

Rhukatah
Feb 26, 2013

by Nyc_Tattoo
Discourse Collective is unlistenable garbage and their theory really bad. As someone who took French in college, there's an R in bourgeoise and also there will still be managers and even a professional and managerial class under socialism. Modern society is too complex to do without that kind of specialization.

Now, those professionals and managers will be responsible to democratic and collective bodies, but they will definitely exist.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Rhukatah posted:

Discourse Collective is unlistenable garbage and their theory really bad. As someone who took French in college, there's an R in bourgeoise and also there will still be managers and even a professional and managerial class under socialism. Modern society is too complex to do without that kind of specialization.

Now, those professionals and managers will be responsible to democratic and collective bodies, but they will definitely exist.

*flushing toilet soundclip*

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Rhukatah posted:

Discourse Collective is unlistenable garbage and their theory really bad. As someone who took French in college, there's an R in bourgeoise and also there will still be managers and even a professional and managerial class under socialism. Modern society is too complex to do without that kind of specialization.

Now, those professionals and managers will be responsible to democratic and collective bodies, but they will definitely exist.

As someone who took Chinese in college, *放屁聲;*

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Rhukatah posted:

Now, those professionals and managers will be responsible to democratic and collective bodies, but they will definitely exist.

They already are, you're just not part of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhH8kG3XcsQ

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

Rhukatah posted:

Discourse Collective is unlistenable garbage and their theory really bad. As someone who took French in college, there's an R in bourgeoise and also there will still be managers and even a professional and managerial class under socialism. Modern society is too complex to do without that kind of specialization.

Now, those professionals and managers will be responsible to democratic and collective bodies, but they will definitely exist.

Managerialism is poo poo and it is good to be skeptical of managers.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
It's in the OP but seconding that yes, Citations Needed rules.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

GalacticAcid posted:

It's in the OP but seconding that yes, Citations Needed rules.

their takedown of Ken Burns's Vietnam was especially tasty

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

A lot of Discourse Collective's theory stuff is about Marxism and Communism in particular, and afaik they don't presume that any actually existing socialist system wouldn't have "managers" or directors that would be organizing labor. It's important to keep in mind that DC is a big tent Leftist podcast, and they will have anarchists and REVISIONISTS! :argh: on.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

their takedown of Ken Burns's Vietnam was especially tasty

What episode did they do that in?

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Ron Jeremy posted:

next up: mia Khalifa reading Capital while riding the Sybian.

Today I learned what a Sybian is

JFC women can't you just own a vibrator?

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
as someone who took spanish in high school, "i forgot it all"

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

KomradeX posted:

What episode did they do that in?

this latest one

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

this latest one

Ahh okay, the app I use didn't update so I didn't see the new episode

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

Dreddout posted:

Today I learned what a Sybian is

JFC women can't you just own a vibrator?

it's a vibrator... that you can sit on!

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

the bitcoin of weed posted:

it's a vibrator... that you can sit on!

It's a thousand loving dollars

This is the decadance that destroyed Rome, ffs ladies

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Dreddout posted:

It's a thousand loving dollars

This is the decadance that destroyed Rome, ffs ladies

I get the feeling that he market for this is actually men who want a partner to use it in their presence.

also shaming women who just want to get a nut off will destroy society faster than a thousand dollar vibrator.

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
It's for weirdos who want to be cucked by a robot

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

God I wish I could afford the Street Fight zine.

https://twitter.com/MurderBryan/status/923738056049545216

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

platzapS posted:

I like communist theory and hate "fun" morning zoo poo poo, so Tampa-based Swampside Chats is my favorite. Once in a while they use a sound effect or tell a joke and I get angry until they start more dry speculation on Lenin.

E: Their news roundups are meh, but their discussions of classic Marxist texts are useful.

I tried an episode and I had no idea what they were talking about. What is "left communism"? I looked it up on wikipedia and got even more confused. Can someone dumb it down for me?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

I tried an episode and I had no idea what they were talking about. What is "left communism"? I looked it up on wikipedia and got even more confused. Can someone dumb it down for me?

Left Communists are all the communists who split with the Leninists at the second Communist International congress in 1920, and it could mean a lot of things. It's basically everything to the "left" of Marxist-Leninism.

As a meme, Leftcom specifically means following after the theory of Italian communist Amadeo Bordiga, who thought participating in democracy was pointless since it would dilute the communist program by compromising with social democrats. Bordiga thought that what communists should do is maintain the program and propaganda until the tide of politics turned back their way from reaction. As a meme this translates to leftcoms reading theory in their armchairs, and waiting for capitalism to destroy itself instead of engaging in political activism.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Left Communists are all the communists who split with the Leninists at the second Communist International congress in 1920, and it could mean a lot of things. It's basically everything to the "left" of Marxist-Leninism.

As a meme, Leftcom specifically means following after the theory of Italian communist Amadeo Bordiga, who thought participating in democracy was pointless since it would dilute the communist program by compromising with social democrats. Bordiga thought that what communists should do is maintain the program and propaganda until the tide of politics turned back their way from reaction. As a meme this translates to leftcoms reading theory in their armchairs, and waiting for capitalism to destroy itself instead of engaging in political activism.
Ironically enough, Bordiga self described as a leninist

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Dreddout posted:

Ironically enough, Bordiga self described as a leninist

Oh yeah, did I forget to mention Bordiga was never a left communist? lmao

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
hosed up that this thread got to page 2 without anyone mentioning Novara Media, the OG left politics podcast that all the others should aspire to be

quick overview of these guys' accomplishments
  • have hosted an actual radio show on left political theory that is broadcast on a real FM station in london weekly since 2011
  • put together a really diverse collective of people to create media
  • had conversations (not just interviews!!) with upwards of a hundred leftist authors about their work
  • regularly talked with leading socialist and labor politicians from around europe and the world about political developments in real time
  • coined and popularized the phrase "fully automated luxury communism"
  • built their own media studio funded mostly by listener donations and their own pocket money
  • went on sky news and the bbc to dunk on ukipers and tories multiple times ahead of brexit and the 2017 election
I've been listening regularly since 2013. these guys are the real deal and (not to disparage any comrades in podcasting!) i've been dying for something nearly as good to come on the american media scene

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


the TARFU Report is no more.........

statements by Taibbi:

quote:

I have decided to discontinue the TARFU report. I like and respect Alex Pareene too much, and too genuinely wish him every success in life, to ask him to continue answering questions about his association with me. This I do despite my continued insistence that I have never made advances or sexually suggestive comments to any employee in any office, here or in Russia, nor have I ever been accused of anything remotely like that, anywhere, by anyone. I apologize sincerely to listeners of the show and to its behind-the-scenes contributors.
https://www.facebook.com/matt.taibbi/posts/10155410355894652

and Pareene:

quote:

My father had a heart attack a week ago. I say this not to invite sympathy—there are few things I hate more than discussing my family life online—but just to explain where I’ve been. Because the internet is a machine engineered to produce anxiety, which I manage to produce plenty of on my own, I took Twitter (and Slack) off my phone while I was visiting my father in a hospital halfway across the country. While I’ve been offline, my podcasting partner Matt Taibbi has been asked to reckon with his past once again. He reached out late last week to let me know he has decided that we should end our podcast, The Tarfu Report. If it weren’t for my own situation, I might have argued against it, but I’m not feeling very funny at the moment myself.

As of today, I’m back to work, and back online. I’ve never thought it was appropriate for me to speak for Matt, and he’s never asked me to defend him, but I still ought to explain myself to everyone who’s asked me about him over the last week (and earlier). When he first approached me about working with him at First Look Media a few years ago, I was well aware of the Exile stories. But he told me then, and has told me numerous times since then, that the worst poo poo described in that book simply didn’t happen—that it was fabricated by his former collaborator, who thought it was funny or cool or satirical or something else completely unclear. I believe Matt. Maybe that’s naive or self-serving of me, and maybe you don’t believe him, but based on everything I know about the people involved, I do.

This doesn’t explain or excuse every single dodgy thing Matt’s ever written—or not written, but attached his name to—over the years, but it’s why I’m comfortable working with him. As far as I’ve ever known, there’s no long line of accusers or “open secrets” about his behavior, just dumb poo poo he wrote, and worse poo poo his former partner wrote, that he regrets.

I don’t think Matt is the character he played in the ‘90s. I think he said and did some idiotic poo poo, but nothing monstrous. And I know he sincerely regrets it, and has spent years working to be a better and more enlightened journalist and human being.

I’ll miss doing the show with him and I hope you enjoyed it.
http://pareene.kinja.com/on-the-tarfu-report-1820029536



at least we'll always have "jewel or mao," "the unabomber or malcolm gladwell," and the hitler one with the evangelical dude i can't remember

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

callout culture is loving cancer

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Brian from street fight says he doesn't like animals full stop

I'm conflicted now

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

TetsuoTW posted:

callout culture is loving cancer

Twitter is a disease, no doubt, but Matt is mistaken if he thinks caving to this stuff is going to make it go away. Sad that such a talented, important voice can be easily silenced.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Citations Needed episode on the "Deficit Racket" is incredibly loving good and just made me feel pretty good about the future.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Nothus posted:

Twitter is a disease, no doubt, but Matt is mistaken if he thinks caving to this stuff is going to make it go away. Sad that such a talented, important voice can be easily silenced.

Ames's response was way better. Plant your feet, deny, and never apologize.

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Everybody on earth knows that being associated with Mark Ames and trying to have a drama-free carrier are incompatible positions.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
Someone posted that Ames was the Harris to Matt's Klebold in the other thread which is hilariously accurate. He just wanted to bbe a respectable mainstream journalist. Ames truly doesn't give a gently caress.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Harris wanted to be a respectable mass shooter.

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