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poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



its not a good investment for cashing out purposes but if youll want to buy drugs in 6 months you can buy the bitcoins today and youll be able to buy a lot more drugs in 6 months than if you waited and bought them with cash

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poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Pac-Manioc Root posted:

Is there a way to cash out at their nominal value that isn't shady as hell and like as not to take the bitcoins and run?

there are many exchanges now that will let you easily cash out at least a few hundred to a few grand per week straight to your bank account just like cashing out your paypal account but if you really need to trade for cash because your bitcoins are drug money or because you don't want to pay taxes or you ahve millions of dollars worth youll have to find a guy on localbitcoins who probably won't murder or rob you but you can't totally rule it out

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



spasticColon posted:

Bitcoin keeps going up for the same reason the stock market keeps going up. It's a bubble that will inevitably burst.

its true but that doesnt change the fact that all of us could be posting from kiddie pools full of cocaine right now if we'd bought $100 worth of bitcoin instead of deriding it back in 2011

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Cease to Hope posted:

also the part where if you bought bitcoins in 2012 you probably had them in an exchange that ended up robbing everyone

Storing them in the exchange versus in a wallet you alone control has always been totally elective so you only probably did this if you are a lazy retard

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Extra Large Marge posted:

I don't think bitcoins are going to go away, but they will even out at some point.

It'd be interesting to know the ratio between people who use them as money, and people who are just speculating/investing.

It's 99.8% people buying and selling drugs with no interest in owning bitcoins for longer than 20 minutes

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



BloodyScab posted:

Yea the people who used them as their 401ks were kooky but other than that the hate on bitcoins here is just bizzare and must be out of habit at this point.

Most of gbs knows nothing about btc except what they learned in the early days when these threads were just r/Bitcoin helldump

To them it's still just gpu miners eating dessicated fruit because they lost everything on the magic the gathering online exchange

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



FogHelmut posted:

if this is a currency, why would you sell it for real currency?

I dunno man if you had a shitload of pesos that's just as good as dollars or euros and idk why anyone would cash that out either. I mean it's all currency

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



FogHelmut posted:

so in which country am I able to spend bitcoins as currency?

On the internet

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



BeefThief posted:

im sorry i dont believe in fiat currency. would you instead take an internet currency whose value fluctuates wildly and, in spite of being valued at a ridiculous level and cornered by chinese mobsters and the winklevoss twins, has many hardcore adherents among doomsday preppers and sovereign citizens? yes, i will use this to pay for my star citizen rig.

Nonetheless it is literally possible to do this and most of these merchants use bitpay which pays them out in dollars so your points are irrelevant

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Believe it or not, the truth is somewhere in the middle and those of you who are convinced that Bitcoin is bad for reasons a goon told you in gbs in 2011 are just as retarded as a true believer like ham sandwiches who made money investing poorly and thinks it's because of his keen financial instinct

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Burt Sexual posted:

btc is less secure than cash hth

Not if you need to convey it to someone who isn't standing next to you

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Rad Russian posted:

1. The algorithm is factually broken and can't support wide adoption. It already takes hours for a transaction with a minuscule userbase.
It doesn't help your cause when you post things that are not true and have not ever been true in a general sense, which you could verify as not being true with 10 seconds of research. nobody is waiting over an hour for btc to transfer and generally it's closer to 20 mins

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Rad Russian posted:

Bullshit. Do a transaction right now without attaching significant fees to it. How long is it going to take? It's a stupid marketing shill thing you're doing same as "no transaction fees!".

What the hell are you even talking about? Go make a coinbase account and a mycelium account. Buy some btc and send it to yourself. It'll take under an hour, every time.

I've actually used btc (to buy drugs) so I already know this

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Rad Russian posted:

Are you seriously this dense? Obviously sending money inside Coinbase is free. It's just 0 and 1s in their own database.

Every single bitcoin transaction requires a fee. Even Coinbase has a helpful guide for you for why it costs so much money to pay vendors for a product:

https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/815435-does-coinbase-pay-bitcoin-miner-fees-

Because you know what happens if you don't attach a fee? Your transaction becomes worthless to the network. Maybe it will get picked up in 4-8 hours, maybe it won't. I'm guessing you don't really understand bitcoin well and hence are shilling it. That's typical.

This is why I said to send it outside of coinbase to another wallet you retard

No Bitcoin transaction takes days or weeks to process, this has nothing to do with fees and I think maybe you're confusing the time required for a buy or sell order to go through on an exchange at a certain price with the time it takes for a Bitcoin transaction to go through because otherwise the words you're posting just don't make any sense in the order you've chosen to arrange them

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



something v bad has happened to ethereum :rip:

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Hob_Gadling posted:

I'm not sure I believe this. If most bitcoin users are chinese trying to get their money out, who would put dollars in the system and why? You'd have to be pretty silly to actually buy something like that.

it's people buying drugs on the dark web

believe it or not there's a lot of money in drugs, which you can buy easily with bitcoins

poverty goat fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Nov 9, 2017

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Uranium 235 posted:

Coinbase/GDAX and Gemini both allow cash withdrawals for US customers. I think Kraken does too for EU users. I'm not familiar with the Asian exchanges.

this can't be true because it contradicts the gbs hivemind

shun the nonbeliever

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Here's a feelgood bitcoin story

CEO who presided over Mt. Gox’s collapse could end up with massive profits

quote:

...
To date, Karpelès has denied any wrongdoing and lamented Mt. Gox's 2014 massive breach and rapid fall. After the site went bankrupt in March 2014, Karpelès told the public and a Japanese bankruptcy court that he had suddenly discovered that cache of 200,000 bitcoins. At present exchange rates, those are worth approximately $1.3 billion, and they comprise the majority of Mt. Gox’s remaining assets.

As Ars reported in March 2014, Mt. Gox said previously that it had lost 750,000 bitcoins (at the time, worth around $412.5 million) belonging to customers and more than 100,000 bitcoins (at the time, worth around $55 million) of its own money. The site suddenly shut down in February 2014 after weeks of sustained DDoS attacks and "transaction malleability" problems, which led the company to halt withdrawals entirely. (That problem was patched shortly after Mt. Gox collapsed.)

At current exchange rates, 750,000 bitcoins are worth nearly $5 billion, at about $6,500 per bitcoin. By comparison, if they are paid out at the approximate April 2014 rate of around $440 per bitcoin (or its equivalent in yen), it would only yield $330 million.
...

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Old Story posted:

what is a bitcoin

paypal for drugs

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Rufio posted:

Tbh you don't call yourself a carpenter unless you are doing it in a professional capacity.

Plenty of amateurs are fishermen though, how do you explain that

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



You can't buy drugs with a credit card

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Inept posted:

People are buying it and mining it because they think they can get rich, not because they want to use it for anything

People are buying it to spend right away on drugs

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Even vendors of legal drugs like kratom won't take normal payment methods because junkies will chargeback scam them

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



sounds like someone at the preschool is doing a bunch of cocaine

bitcoin and coinbase did this

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Inept posted:

Yeah there's no way to actually make sure an email is being opened on the same computer as the browser.

edit: also the scammer could just have the verification email forwarded to them if it's something dumb like a long code you have to copy and paste

coinbase uses standard 2fa with a 6 digit code via sms iirc and requires you to do it again after logging in to withdraw funds etc. there's no way this isn't monumental user error and/or an employee at the daycare

if they'd walked in and dropped $10k in cash into a donation box, and that went missing, they'd be just as hosed

poverty goat fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Nov 21, 2017

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Inept posted:

If you can get your target to go to your fake website and provide you information, it's not that hard to bypass most 2 factor devices aside from hardware tokens that get plugged in to USB/bluetooth

https://breakdev.org/evilginx-advanced-phishing-with-two-factor-authentication-bypass/

https://github.com/ustayready/CredSniper

so, user error then

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



revwinnebago posted:

Bitcoin will be worth $0 someday. That day could be today.

Nah, when the speculative bubble pops it'll just fall back to 2008 levels and still be used as drug currency, but to buy it youll have to western union to a guy in belarus like buying liberty reserve back in the day

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



COMRADES posted:

I saw an Amazon brick and mortar bookstore at the mall the other day and I had to sit down for a moment.

this is a side effect of being in the onion timeline

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



If we had all bought bitcoins at 6000 a month at we'd all be rich

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Bitcoin is dumb because I can't figure out how to use a website that junkies and Bitcoin libertarians navigate and use successfully every day

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Photex posted:

Guys it's only the fifth 30% adjustment relax.

now is the time to buy before it hits 50k in january

but unironically

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Pochoclo posted:

Actually it is because you're actively, heavily contributing to climate change and energy scarcity for internet pogs.

can you certify that this post is carbon neutral

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



https://twitter.com/icowid/status/963842751279243264

a markov bot informed by ICO whitepapers and erowid trip reports

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



AARO posted:

I've never really looked at the porn sections but I assume every dnm prohibits child porn. I have no idea where people think child porn is being sold for Bitcoin.

it's just that if child porn is being sold anywhere on the internet it's with bitcoin, not amazon pay, for the same reasons that people use btc to buy drugs, weapons and credit card numbers

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Thanks to NASA's embrace of blockchain-related products and services, we will begin to see the shortening and strengthening of spacecraft supply chains in the very near future. NASA researchers have started using blockchain technology to improve the "cognitive networking and computing infrastructure" of deep-space missions in an effort to make better data-driven decisions for autonomous spacecraft. Broadening this blockchain implementation to include a superior means of supply chain management will benefit the economy — making it easier and less expensive to bring products to market — and allow NASA to economize costs without compromising quality.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



comedyblissoption posted:

also you've made a net of $0 until you've successfully withdrawn into filthy fiat out of any crypto-related exchange

this is easy though for a few grand of non-drug money

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:

It's easy as long as enough hard currency enters the pyramid scheme to pay out those who want to leave and for the middle men to skim off a living. Coinbase's USD reserves must be shrinking fast with the huge sell off. Their "lawyer" is probably already googling for an exit strategy (pretend a hack happened, ghost the users, openly grab and run, etc.)

not that you're wrong in the broad strokes but a few grand here and there is more than covered by the demand from people buying bitcoin to spend on drugs everyday, and coinbase at least will buy a few grand a day from you without having to interact with buy orders. As long as you don't try to do it during a sell-off or something and you don't care about the government seeing the money someday it's really not difficult or dangerous, unless you store all your coins/money in the exchange day to day like a retard

The difficulty of cashing out illicit btc actually just netted the DEA et al a bunch of busts via an agent-run coins for cash service but this has probably been posted here by now
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investig...-486588951.html

quote:

Authorities arrested 40 people and seized more than $20 million in guns, drugs, cars, gold and cryptocurrency after a massive, year-long undercover operation targeting underground activity on the Internet.

The sprawling operation involving vendors on the "Darknet" led to the seizure of more than 100 guns, more than $20 million in Bitcoin, more than $3.6 million in US currency and gold bars, and prescription pills and drugs, including Xanax, Oxycodone, MDMA, cocaine, LSD and marijuana.

Homeland Security Investigations agents from New York posed as a money launderer on underground market sites and exchanged hard currency for virtual currency.

The operation led to the opening of dozens of cases against vendors around the country and to more than 90 active cases around the country.

ironically, the US government will have no trouble cashing out those btc at auction

poverty goat fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jun 30, 2018

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



LethalGeek posted:

Years from now when AARO comes up it won't be that weirdo who defended buttcoin by pulling a pedo card out of no where they will just be devolved into a pedo without the context.

Bet that is going to make them insane. Insaner

years from now goons will forget which is which and use aatrek/aaro interchangeably

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



The White Dragon posted:

if bit coin reaches 100k usd by the end of the year i will film myself chugging a pint of lemon juice. my "piss tape" :toxx:

this is a stupid thing to post in 2018

it's going to hit 100k now and it's this thread's fault

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poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



is it time to buy yet?

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