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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/davidpgoldman/status/1772580555999117414  but for economies
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/davidpgoldman/status/1772580555999117414 China's economy is in a state of perpetual collapse. Should it grow too fast, it will overheat and spin out of control Should it grow too slow, it will spark a revolution unlike any in the modern era Should it grow too large in one area, it will be hollowed out by its fake industries Should it grow too large overall, it is a series of lies and manipulated data Should it grow too diverse, it is cheating to destroy our industries If it were to achieve a perfect equilibrium and harmony? The silence would simply be the songbirds escaping the disaster
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Mar 27, 2024 03:44
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corona familiar posted:
China's economy is collapsing (on purpose, because Xi wants to destroy it) https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/china-s-economy-is-in-a-terrible-funk-just-how-xi-jinping-likes-it-20240325-p5feyu.html quote:But most foreigners have failed to understand that era is over. They assume that strong economic growth is inherently desirable. And they grew accustomed to a Chinese leadership that felt the same way. But Xi Jinping styles himself after Mao rather than Deng. He values control above growth. The game has changed. quote:In other words, Xi is preparing China for war, the “extreme circumstances” of which he has repeatedly warned his people. For that, he wants to make sure all parts of the economy are geared to respond to centralised control. And to ensure that investment and productive capacity are directed to the country’s war needs. man can you imagine living in a country that oppresses property developers and billionaires and proritises manufacturing and technology over real estate
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Mar 27, 2024 05:37
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:you should edit in a (USER WAS UNBANNED FOR THIS POST) into that post and have the link go to the holodomor thread
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Mar 27, 2024 05:53
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Jose posted:Lol Carl excuse me you buried the lede https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1772202117073404081
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Mar 27, 2024 05:56
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lmfao https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1772605257974997068
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Mar 27, 2024 05:59
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:China's economy is collapsing (on purpose, because Xi wants to destroy it) Honestly it's easier to imagine the end of the world. Would be nice if they keep influencing things for the better though.
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Mar 27, 2024 06:01
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lol, and furthermore, lmao even the sidetrack narrative delivers in this thread
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Mar 27, 2024 06:05
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shes right. just walking on the sand at the beach burned the skin on my feet so bad it hurt to walk for a few days afterward, and years later when i read the jakarta method i found out it was the same beach with the mass killings of communists. so my feet were burned in solidarity
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Mar 27, 2024 06:28
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:China's economy is collapsing (on purpose, because Xi wants to destroy it) btw, our main Marxist over there has been posting some interesting poo poo over theoretician chat https://twitter.com/eliasjabbour/status/1771552486102282379 summarized translation: Elias Jabbour, Brazilian Marxist in China, has been writing his second volume of "China: Socialism of the 21st Century", which is being done with the main foreign Marxist intellectual there, Roland Boer. The main theoretical developments to be discussed are two: first, the ongoing process of overcoming commodity-based value as a societal basis through the "project of inducted usefulness" (a technical concept that, to the best of my knowledge, comes from Brazilian socialist thinker Ignacio Rangel). I elaborate below. I am using "usefulness" here to differ from utility so there are no confusion with the orthodox economic term. Jabbour and Rangel here refer to the Aristotelian ethos of the highest good, which I've seen very rarely as a technical descriptor of what should be the aim of a more advanced stage of comprehensive socialist planning by more modern theoreticians, but I do not know if this is also a concept employed by the Chinese counterparts. Rangel uses this term as a formal category of socio-economic development, where usefulness replaces commodity-based value as reference. That means that the political economic forces are powerful and developed enough to the point where planning is capable of achieving goals of usefulness rather than the goals like "develop these sectors of consumer goods", for example. Second, Jabbour argues that China is already in a transition phase to that stage and wants to explore the relationship between "new planning" (which I believe it is a Chinese Marxist technical concept) and socialist government.
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Mar 27, 2024 06:30
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I support your efforts in earnestposting but my brain can't parse paragraphs that long, I'm sorry
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Mar 27, 2024 06:35
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Eminent DNS posted:I support your efforts in earnestposting but my brain can't parse paragraphs that long, I'm sorry extremely understandable op. np and you have my heartfelt appreciation for your valiant effort
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Mar 27, 2024 06:43
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dead gay comedy forums posted:extremely understandable op. np and you have my heartfelt appreciation for your valiant effort And also with you
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Mar 27, 2024 06:48
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:you should edit in a (USER WAS UNBANNED FOR THIS POST) into that post and have the link go to the holodomor thread rofl
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Mar 27, 2024 07:09
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As a quick thing does the releasing of these productive forces mean that it'd be possible for people in China to have easier lives with less work now? I think it'd be good to see an upkeep of living standards twinned with less need for work.
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Mar 27, 2024 08:12
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Is there examples of this "usefulness" concept?
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Mar 27, 2024 08:46
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stephenthinkpad posted:Is there examples of this "usefulness" concept? Yes but first you need to get yourself an anti-coat
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Mar 27, 2024 08:51
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stephenthinkpad posted:Is there examples of this "usefulness" concept? It's just rationally managing the surplus instead of doing the blind idiot dance of capitalism. You have to use new words for this because economists squat on a lot of words with arcane definitions.
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Mar 27, 2024 09:35
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Telluric Whistler posted:China's economy is in a state of perpetual collapse. wait a minute …
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Mar 27, 2024 09:39
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Spergin Morlock posted:remember when duterte said he used to be gay but isn't anymore? lol
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Mar 27, 2024 09:41
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they should have used “eudaimonia”
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Josef bugman posted:As a quick thing does the releasing of these productive forces mean that it'd be possible for people in China to have easier lives with less work now? I think it'd be good to see an upkeep of living standards twinned with less need for work. That seems to be part of the process, yeah. There has been shifting attitudes towards labor according to Jabbour. A significant factor of what he is describing there is that, very tied to Marxism-Leninism, is the cultural transformation that follows the productive forces under socialism, so it takes a while for people to realize that increase of productive economic power in relation to their lives. stephenthinkpad posted:Is there examples of this "usefulness" concept? genericnick posted:It's just rationally managing the surplus instead of doing the blind idiot dance of capitalism. You have to use new words for this because economists squat on a lot of words with arcane definitions. Yup. I didn't use "utility" because that in economics is associated with the neoclassical school, with stuff like consumer preferences and all, which is totally different with what is being conveyed there. In Aristotle, utility/usefulness is associated with the pursuit of the highest good - that's the paradigm shift that socialist development aims for, to achieve a superior form of economic organization where the collective good can be planned and executed towards (using the concept mentioned there). To give it examples, this is stuff like building laboratories and research facilities for a scientific program which is for the development of science, without the necessity of a clear economic benefit; or to build plenty of art schools, for the sake of advancement of culture, etc euphronius posted:they should have used “eudaimonia” that's when communism happens lol
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Mar 27, 2024 16:57
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Josef bugman posted:As a quick thing does the releasing of these productive forces mean that it'd be possible for people in China to have easier lives with less work now? I think it'd be good to see an upkeep of living standards twinned with less need for work. I posted some videos and tweets of the Chinese automated ports in this thread. Crane operators actually had neck and back problems which was why the machines taking over crane operation helps in addition to being efficient as long as the electricity and wifi network is up.
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Mar 27, 2024 18:10
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https://x.com/ChinaDaily/status/1773017214893052386?s=20 
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Mar 27, 2024 21:54
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Navel oranges? Rare L for China
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Mar 27, 2024 22:27
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dead gay comedy forums posted:That seems to be part of the process, yeah. There has been shifting attitudes towards labor according to Jabbour. A significant factor of what he is describing there is that, very tied to Marxism-Leninism, is the cultural transformation that follows the productive forces under socialism, so it takes a while for people to realize that increase of productive economic power in relation to their lives. I am just hopeful that there can be better lives for people, where life isn't a constant toil. Danann posted:I posted some videos and tweets of the Chinese automated ports in this thread. Crane operators actually had neck and back problems which was why the machines taking over crane operation helps in addition to being efficient as long as the electricity and wifi network is up. We can hope. I'd just prefer if life was better for people.
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Mar 27, 2024 23:10
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I would nerd out and read the cost analysis of drone shipping vs automobile shipping.
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Mar 27, 2024 23:21
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Gorman Thomas posted:Navel oranges? Rare L for China naval oranges are good
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Mar 27, 2024 23:30
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Japan often has mini monorail systems for terraced fruit farms. I suspect they are common in other parts of Asia too. Perhaps drones could fill a niche, especially with uncertainty in future harvests dissuading investment in single-purpose infrastructure.
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Mar 27, 2024 23:38
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in america theyd design it so the drone could only airlift one orange at a time and so you have to
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Mar 27, 2024 23:41
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Translation accuracy check https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1773038937537135011
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Mar 27, 2024 23:58
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Spergin Morlock posted:naval oranges are good quote:Orange production is expected to reach 7.63 million metric tons (MMT), up from 7.6 MMT the prior year. The forecast anticipates the Jiangxi province — the largest navel orange production area in China — will increase its production by 15%. quote:The U.S. production of oranges amounted to approximately 2.5 million tons in 2023, down from approximately 3.4 million tons the previous year. China continues to defeat the USA in all aspects of naval production 
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Mar 27, 2024 23:59
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Translation accuracy check Nah
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Mar 28, 2024 00:03
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Im reminded of the episode of No Poverty Land where the government installed a zip line system for crops harvested from the mountainside to eliminate people carrying heavy sacks over rough terrain.
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Mar 28, 2024 00:03
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Translation accuracy check I don't understand any Chinese dialect but that is not how xi talks at all lol. Probably fake
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Mar 28, 2024 00:07
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fake xi is right
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Mar 28, 2024 00:09
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Xi was talking about US/China can't decouple - sweet talking the capitalists off their feet.
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Mar 28, 2024 00:13
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The replies to this are unhinged https://twitter.com/sorlins/status/1773029313069097007?t=6-AurhCkt-FYUWD42xYhPg&s=19
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