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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Stairmaster posted:

I thought the chinese communist party wasn't really a thing until the 20s when the warlord period had already started?

It was founded in 1921 in Shanghai in a boat, with 20 people including Mao. The 2nd congress was held in Guangzhou.

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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Maximo Roboto posted:

Zelenskyy was once seen as too willing to compromise with Moscow, he ran on a pro-peace platform

how many ways can we spell vladimir greenson

zelenskii zelenskyii zelenskyy zelenskiy zelenskiiy zelenskyyii zelenskiyiy greenchild green

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

it's a bit cleverer than that - what usually happens is that American positions are laundered through local academics and pundits: you'll have someone commenting on the dangers of the "Chinese maritime militia swarming the West Philippine Sea" and he's a lecturer from a local university but he was educated in Virginia and he's reading off satellite photos releases by CSIS

the big south korean professor in south korea right now pushing the idea of the chinese evilly violating south korean copyrights by pirating south korean dramas with no legal domestic source because netflix bought the worldwide rights and they dont operate in china used to be a big antijapan nationalist when that was more fashionable so as far as i can tell those guys are more useful idiots than they are operating out of any kind of organized playbook

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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KomradeX posted:

The funny thing is, isnt that exactly what happens in England you migbt own your house but the land is.still technically owned by a literal lord

Not all the time. Most of the time it's split between "leasehold" and "freehold" the latter gives you full ownership of the land your house sits on, apparently down to the earth's core in most areas. However in County Durham you have full ownership but any mineral wealth you find below 6ft is technically owned by the church of England.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
the articles in the wake of yellen/blinken are as r-worded as the speeches they gave

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
they let him meet Xi
https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1783953332161126715
https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1784210007161975260

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
https://twitter.com/markets/status/1783510806186910105?t=6LVgPGsfuPvf_8sAfqWxwA&s=19

Yellen warned Japan not to try to sell their US bond to defend the Yen. But all Japan has in foreign reserve are US Bond (93%), they got nothing to work with. Yen is hosed.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Stairmaster posted:

I thought the chinese communist party wasn't really a thing until the 20s when the warlord period had already started?

Sun Yat-Sen was communist, op.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

stephenthinkpad posted:

https://twitter.com/markets/status/1783510806186910105?t=6LVgPGsfuPvf_8sAfqWxwA&s=19

Yellen warned Japan not to try to sell their US bond to defend the Yen. But all Japan has in foreign reserve are US Bond (93%), they got nothing to work with. Yen is hosed.

Lol

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

stephenthinkpad posted:

https://twitter.com/markets/status/1783510806186910105?t=6LVgPGsfuPvf_8sAfqWxwA&s=19

Yellen warned Japan not to try to sell their US bond to defend the Yen. But all Japan has in foreign reserve are US Bond (93%), they got nothing to work with. Yen is hosed.

they should just do it anyways and ignore that she said anything lol

Kaveman
Jul 25, 2009

NEVER!!!


What you Yellen for?

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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Kaveman posted:

What you Yellen for?

sovereignty is when you can't sell your own assets

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Orange Devil posted:

Sun Yat-Sen was communist, op.

no, he was a succdem.

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

Tankbuster posted:

no, he was a succdem.

hes a peron-like figure

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
I always saw Kuongmitang as a paralel evolution of the same sort as the People's Radical Party back in my neck of the woods. Surprisingly similar trajectories in how they started, who supported them, how they developed, and what they turned into.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Yeah, all those Americans celebrating the collapse of the Yen probably don't want to hear who was still buying US bonds after China has been selling them. Japan really can't raise rates because of its own massive build up of debt, and the US isn't allowing them to sell off bonds because the effect it will have on US yields, so the only other option is to just let the Yen drop while the population takes the hit in the face.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/ChinaDaily/status/1784560704609198180

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Debt trap status: succeeded :getin:

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, all those Americans celebrating the collapse of the Yen probably don't want to hear who was still buying US bonds after China has been selling them. Japan really can't raise rates because of its own massive build up of debt, and the US isn't allowing them to sell off bonds because the effect it will have on US yields, so the only other option is to just let the Yen drop while the population takes the hit in the face.

Are you reading Shrike posts? But yeah, there's no obvious way out for Japan. But then, neither is there one for Europe so welcome to the club!

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

the indian century!

https://x.com/moghilemear13/status/1784306896729416076

(whole thread worth reading)

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

genericnick posted:

Are you reading Shrike posts? But yeah, there's no obvious way out for Japan. But then, neither is there one for Europe so welcome to the club!

Americans are mobbing Tokyo at the moment at the "deals" but really it is a bit of a vulture scenario. I would say Japan is well ahead of the curve though, they don't have any good options. The Europeans can maybe coast a bit or try to work out something with China, but for the Japan the crisis is already here.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:05 on Apr 28, 2024

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
You mean deleting currency flows in the economy overnight annihilated our MSME that actually employed industrial labour?

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Josef bugman posted:

Not all the time. Most of the time it's split between "leasehold" and "freehold" the latter gives you full ownership of the land your house sits on, apparently down to the earth's core in most areas. However in County Durham you have full ownership but any mineral wealth you find below 6ft is technically owned by the church of England.

lol, lmao. Joke loving country

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Mantis42 posted:

the indian century!

https://x.com/moghilemear13/status/1784306896729416076

(whole thread worth reading)

india seems like a special kind of hell

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
we were doing good enough to seriously consider free markets and strong leadership(tm).

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

In other news, Chang'e-6 is getting ready for launch!









Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
Can't wait for our remaining state run industries to be decimated and sold off to fund some clown's dream of being an american small business tyrant.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
So the Long March 10 is China's first rocket for crewed lunar missions, and it is supposedly "complete" although they are still test firing the engines and the launch pad is being constructed. The date for its first launch is supposedly "2025-2026." The Artemis 3 mission back to the moon was pushed back to September 2026 at the earliest, mostly due to the Starship being no where near close to being ready.

The Chinese are supposedly also building their own direct competitor to the Starship in terms of scale, but supposedly it will be ready around 2033 or so. It should be powerful enough to make it to Mars.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 18:11 on Apr 28, 2024

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

China is gonna put the Red back in the red planet and Elon will cry

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

KomradeX posted:

China is gonna put the Red back in the red planet and Elon will cry

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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nobody wants to buy overpriced crappy cars in china, but at what cost

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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Tankbuster posted:

Can't wait for our remaining state run industries to be decimated and sold off to fund some clown's dream of being an american small business tyrant.

correct me if im wrong but the nationalism to an indian liberal means "what is the fastest way to acquire american citizenship"

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


lol xi gave blinken permission for him to visit

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

Ardennes posted:

So the Long March 10 is China's first rocket for crewed lunar missions, and it is supposedly "complete" although they are still test firing the engines and the launch pad is being constructed. The date for its first launch is supposedly "2025-2026." The Artemis 3 mission back to the moon was pushed back to September 2026 at the earliest, mostly due to the Starship being no where near close to being ready.

The Chinese are supposedly also building their own direct competitor to the Starship in terms of scale, but supposedly it will be ready around 2033 or so. It should be powerful enough to make it to Mars.

China is going to beat the United States back to the Moon or they'll land so soon after Artemis that they make the Americans look like chumps and I'm extremely excited for this

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

I hope they say something cool when they land on Mars

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Tighclops posted:

China is going to beat the United States back to the Moon or they'll land so soon after Artemis that they make the Americans look like chumps and I'm extremely excited for this

the only US region left will be on the moon? great!

crepeface has issued a correction as of 03:03 on Apr 29, 2024

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Who has brass balls big enough to ride the Starship to the moon?

Iriscoral
Apr 9, 2023

为人民服务

Ardennes posted:

So the Long March 10 is China's first rocket for crewed lunar missions, and it is supposedly "complete" although they are still test firing the engines and the launch pad is being constructed. The date for its first launch is supposedly "2025-2026." The Artemis 3 mission back to the moon was pushed back to September 2026 at the earliest, mostly due to the Starship being no where near close to being ready.

The Chinese are supposedly also building their own direct competitor to the Starship in terms of scale, but supposedly it will be ready around 2033 or so. It should be powerful enough to make it to Mars.
I don't think the Long March 9 (the starship competitor you are talking about) is going to actually go to Mars, or at least in the variant its currently designed as. The entire point of LM-9 at its current stage is a straightforward, no frills, (partially-)reusable cargo rocket that can facillate the expansion of base facilities for the Chinese Lunar Exploration Program, as compared to the techbro wetdream do-everything that's Starship. It could be used for cargo to Mars, but as of now there's no idea whether it will be fitted to be human-capable. Frankly I doubt it, given that Tianwen-3 (the next exploration probe to Mars) is only going to be a thing in the 2030, and is already planned to use a Long March 5. China simply doesn't really have big massive scale laid plans for Mars (or human colonization beyond the Earth Sphere in general). Besides, if Tianwen-3 succeeds, they will already have become the first to get a Martian sample-return, because all the American efforts have gotten cancelled (including the latest one to get Perserverence's own samples). That's a big enough achievement already.

Also the space race is kinda meaningless. Whether or not China beats the US back to the moon isn't really important, what's more important is the setup and construction of space infrastructure to facillate bigger activites on the moon and in-situ resource extraction. The Artemis program is already extremely compromised by having the boondoggle that's Gateway and reliant on various moving parts that don't gel together, as well as the lack of ambition for doing things on the Moon. ILRS and its related programs don't have these problems and are already far more conceptually sound, and if Roscosmos can get its act together and pick up the slack, the better.

stephenthinkpad posted:

Who has brass balls big enough to ride the Starship to the moon?

No one's even riding Starship to the moon, that's the funny part. Starship's entire involvement with Artemis is silly when you actually think about it (though like I said, the entire Artemis program is dumb). Human transfer from Earth to the Moon and vice versa is done via the Orion capsule attached to SLS, and Starship HLS is purely to act as fuel supply and depot, alongside actually landing people on the moon, with human transfer between Orion and Starship being done through Gateway. There's a lot of unneeded poo poo going on to facilitate the process.

In fact that its ability to land, let alone get out of Earth orbit safely has yet to be tested is one reason for Artemis 3's delays, because they need the drat thing to actually 1) land, 2) do so on the Moon, far away from Earth. Its so bad they are considering restarting the tenders to get an alternative lunar lander.

Iriscoral has issued a correction as of 04:11 on Apr 29, 2024

Iriscoral
Apr 9, 2023

为人民服务
edit: double post

Iriscoral has issued a correction as of 04:05 on Apr 29, 2024

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fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/ChinaDaily/status/1784783138386055270

"If China has problems, then the United States must be on its deathbed," said John Ross, senior fellow at the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies of the Renmin University of China, "I made a joke that a good way to make an accurate prediction on China's economy was to take whatever the Economist said, reverse it, and you'll get probably a good prediction."

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