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Anybody else seeing a hilariously badly acted anti-China youtube ad from our favorite anti-miscegenation cultists at the Epoch Times?
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May 10, 2020 01:14
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Some Guy TT posted:https://twitter.com/j_smithfinley/status/1276913712486649856?p=v "We will not give up our hostage taking activities, regardless of the proportionate reprisals taken in response, the lives of our spooks are meaningless next to proving our fealty to the US."
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Jun 29, 2020 08:19
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Top City Homo posted:its repressive but you are claiming a "soft genocide" which should require a high burden of proof outside of US sponsored propaganda Hey now, they've also got a German evangelical fundamentalist who works for a US think tank and believes god has sent him to destroy the Communist Party of China, to prevent Satan from destroying civilization and feminizing men by stopping fathers from beating their kids, a handful of ISIS affiliates who work for Erdogan, and a fascist Australian-Turkish biker gang. If those aren't credible non-US sources, I don't know what would be. Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 05:45 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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Jul 7, 2020 05:41
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Oh, Palmer. He's committed, I have to give him that. I remember when I was still allowed on the site he mods, I inadvertently managed to provoke him so badly by mildly criticizing a neo-con "Chinese Dissident" that his fellows had to ban him temporarily for appearance's sake.
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Jul 11, 2020 06:33
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Top City Homo posted:That boy aint right What I'm telling my co-workers, whether they be liberal or conservative, is any president or any congress, Democratic or Republican, that wants to send their kids to die in the south china sea, needs a bullet in the brainpan, not their obedience. Not getting a whole lot of pushback.
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Jul 14, 2020 06:36
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Nobody denies that there are prisons in China, not sure what this is supposed to prove beyond that.
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Jul 15, 2020 22:28
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I'm torn. It's satisfying to see imperialists and their lackeys defeated, and as far as the Chinese context goes, the sooner the pro-American elements are provoked to expose and annihilate themselves the better, but in the back of my mind there is always the concern that Washington and New York would far sooner flip the board than accept that they've been beaten.
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Jul 16, 2020 07:49
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Mantis42 posted:So, according to Worldometer, the world averages about 76 COVID related deaths per million people. The United States is above average, with 426 deaths per million people. China sits at an incredible 3. In absolute terms, I'd say so. In proportionate terms, Nguyen Xuan Phuc probably wins out.
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Jul 17, 2020 02:08
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uncop posted:The champion the China watchers have chosen being extremely bad isn’t evidence in favor of China being somehow virtuous. Sure, I think China has the right to defend its people against this kind of menace, just the part about looking up to the zionist project sends chills up my spine. It sounds like a vision of inviting in turkic people and islamist statebuilders to be able to drive the non-muslims (and wrong muslims) of the region into margins. But I’d call China’s approach to defending itself straight-up fascist any time of the day if that didn’t play into the lies about Nazi style concentration camps and population replacement strategies. It’s an extreme police state in the style of the USA: ruled by an oligarchy, uses extralegal police terrorism against dissent, has a vast system of ethnic political imprisonment that breaks up families and railroads people’s lives so that others can make a buck. It just lacks the white supremacy aspect that designates some lives as worthless and incapable of developing beyond a certain point. Would you care to define Fascism in material, rather than moralistic terms?
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Jul 22, 2020 07:37
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uncop posted:Missed this somehow. I kinda understood this is how it is, but holy poo poo it's hosed up not to try to find a kid's relatives just so they can be put into some loving patriotic indoctrination camp where normal rights don't apply. Best case scenario, it's a limited amount of basically hostages (come back and play nice, or lose your kid), but who knows. I'd have chosen my words differently if I had read it. Show me the major contemporary or historical bourgeois liberal state to which you would counterpose "fascist" China. Certainly the New Deal USA can't be any less fascist. None of the European imperial powers can claim any moral superiority, which seems to be your criteria. If China is fascist, what significant power was ever not? If they were all fascist, isn't it more misleading than informative, how ever revisionist you think the PRC might be, to call it fascist without noting that that charge, in your own peculiar usage, has no specific meaning? Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 16:44 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jul 22, 2020 07:55
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sincx posted:lol, this is worth a read My god, that's cancerous. I thought the Rachel Maddow thing was ironic at first, but it's literally Maddow Russiagate level nonsense.
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Jul 24, 2020 08:29
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Atrocious Joe posted:Tankie gets thrown at anyone who opposes US imperialism. Blumenthal basically only reports about US imperialism, so of course he gets called one. He's also been called one for years at this point, so it's weird you never noticed. Werleman absolutely supports US imperialism, to the point that I'd be shocked if he wasn't on a payroll, however indirectly. As far as "tankie" goes, that's properly a badge of honor, and shouldn't necessarily be associated with Grover Furr's methodology.
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Jul 31, 2020 07:32
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Maximo Roboto posted:No doubt there was foreign interference. I just question how significant it was and if it even matters. At this point the tendrils of empire run into any possible flashpoint. Is it really such a big deal to take aid when it's offered? There's no ethical protest under capitalism. And the crumbling U.S. diplomatic-intelligence complex is just a ramshackle mess of dueling agencies (as seen in Syria) at this point, so it's not as if they had a cohesive game plan in HK. What, they were going to back the rioters into winning and then march in greeted as liberators? Not even Pompeo believes in that. That's bullshit, the fact that the empire's plans occasionally fail doesn't mean that they are irrelevant. No, they probably didn't expect to get a US protectorate out the protests, though given some of their past overreaches that's less certain than you might think, but I'd say their realistic game plan was pretty clear: escalate things enough to create a bloodbath to make the PRC look bad. Unfortunately for them, the PRC is a little more experienced at dealing with these provocations these days, and comfortable middle class HKers are less inclined to martyr themselves than ambitious elite students who think they have a narrow window to overthrow socialism and make themselves oligarchs.
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Aug 11, 2020 08:32
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Grapplejack posted:The Ukraine?? Are they calling Putin ml lmao That doesn't make much sense as a response to what you're quoting: Putin's government, and the state he leads, are by no means Marxist Leninist, but you don't need to be Marxist Leninist find yourselves in the cross-hairs of the empire, and there is really no denying the fact that anarchists supported, and still stand by their support for the overthrow of a Ukrainian government the US and the EU wanted gone, even if that meant supporting a movement whose most effective fighters were outright neo-nazi terrorists, coalition governments that based themselves on fascist parties, the banning of communist organizations and symbols, and right wing mobs burning down trade union offices with workers inside them.
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Aug 20, 2020 02:11
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Not So Fast posted:Going by the political compass site, authoritarian simply means "wields power and uses it". But any non-democratic state, be it China, Russia or wherever, can be legitimately called authoritarian. "Non-democratic" is doing a lot of work there. This argument basically requires an unconscious assumption that, being in some nebulous way fundamentally unlike the "liberal democracies" with with the speaker is familiar, states like the PRC or the Russian Federation must be closer to historical Fascist states, or something like Tsarist autocracy, when in practical terms, confining the subject as narrowly as possible to "authoritarianism," if contrasted with states of those types, the two examples in question would be basically indistinguishable from "liberal democracies."
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Aug 20, 2020 02:25
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Grapplejack posted:The issue with authoritarian states is that unless you have an actual sword of damocles hanging over their heads the leadership will, without fail, become petty aristocrats and rebuild an empire in their own image. Stalin did this, Deng did this, etc The funny thing is, the closest this point comes to having any merit, is its ultimate disproof. Insofar as the nucleus of a capitalist class was able to develop in the USSR, even within the party itself, which clearly it did, they could only become a real ruling class by destroying the state apparatus which you claim was the basis of their power; the most corrupt, self-seeking elements within the Soviet Union, who you would say were its ruling class, chose to destroy their country and subordinate themselves to the US empire. Why? Why destroy the strength which your argument would claim was their own? There is no explaining it, if they were already a ruling class. They acted as they did because so long as the Soviet order existed they could be no more than a parasitic bureaucracy, the existence of which fundamentally contradicted the basic logic of the society in which it existed.
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Aug 20, 2020 05:32
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Oct 17, 2020 11:30
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sincx posted:https://twitter.com/ForeignPolicy/status/1336294638920097795 https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1336465461211406337
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Dec 10, 2020 03:51
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gradenko_2000 posted:The impression I got of US views towards China, particularly in the latter part of the Cold War and in the post-Soviet era, was that they'd eventually liberalize, "mellow out" (my phrasing) and become a nice, behaved member of the global world order. I'm fairly sure I'm not alone in this characterization - I think I picked it up from retrospectives by Adam Tooze and Pankaj Mishra. I think a key factor here was the desire to reduce Russia itself to a permanent neo-colony, I don't think they could have succeeded in the long term in any case, but I suspect even they could see that an active antagonism with China would present major obstacles there.
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Dec 25, 2020 21:21
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genericnick posted:The more I read about the Cold War time the more I get the feeling that the conflict with the USSR was entirely a side show while the main event was preventing Third World development. Makes sense that the USSR going away changed nothing. I wouldn't say either was a sideshow in any sense, but it was absolutely a war on multiple fronts, and fatally, one in which the imperialist side was much closer to having real unity of command than it's opponents. I think that factor is one that cannot be emphasized enough in understanding the present attitude in the PRC, and why it might in some respects fall short of an ideal internationalism - that the success the imperialists enjoyed in dividing their enemies makes the really critical thing building up the strength of the PRC itself, not counting on any potential united front.
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Dec 25, 2020 21:27
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Gaupo Guacho posted:tankies are so thoroughly cucked that they'll claim that china manufacturing and exporting semiconductors and smartphones in factories owned by billionaires and sold for profit is a triumph of communism How thoroughly cucked do you have to be to doubt that it's a good thing for America and its lackeys to lose the monopoly on high technology they use to strangle any country that doesn't lick their boots?
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Feb 15, 2021 20:19
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Before he blocked me, I saw something about where Noah Smith thinks he'll be in eight years (campaigning against high speed rail, of all things), and I do regret missing the chance to reply that, if he has his way and gets a war with China, in eight years he'll be [insert clip of Julius Streicher in the dock / on the gallows]
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Mar 6, 2021 08:31
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my shoulder patch has a lot of people asking questions already answered by my shoulder patch
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Apr 3, 2021 09:20
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Forceholy posted:So what exactly is the deal with Settlers? I only know about it as a meme on /leftypol/. Well, it's a book by a guy who no one has ever heard of IRL, in which he argues a more extreme version of the FBI line on the national question (from back when they were focused on wrecking the RCP,) and insists that revolution, indeed any form of class struggle, in the US is impossible/reactionary respectively. Depending on how charitable one wants to be, it's either the bitter ravings of a defeated Maoist organizer, who feels the masses failed him, and can't get over his angst at being a radical academic banana, or straight up FBI artifice. His more recent poo poo where he tries to conflate Arab antizionism with Nazi ZOG poo poo, and condemns the PRC as settler colonial makes me lean toward the latter, but honestly it could easily go either way.
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Jun 5, 2021 08:11
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Algund Eenboom posted:I'm going to kick your rear end bitch A: you probably cannot, bitch B: you certainly will not, bitch C: even doing so would not prove me wrong about Sakai, you pseudo left imperialist lackey bitch Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 08:49 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Jun 7, 2021 08:19
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Venomous posted:CPUSA is still a CIA front, right I get the joke, they have some poo poo lines, and they have been heavily infiltrated historically (though if the state isn't targeting you for infiltration, it's only because you don't matter) but this kind of attack is counter-productive. Their worst lines aren't products of infiltrators, and dismissing them as such ensures that anyone you would actually want to persuade against their opportunism will, instead of analyzing bad lines on their own merits, dismiss your arguments because they themselves are sincere, not police agents, and you are implicitly attacking their sincerity, not their line.
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Jun 8, 2021 09:03
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:they endorsed joe biden lol Yes, and it's letting them off too easy to blame that soley or primarily on infiltration.
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Jun 8, 2021 17:46
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https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202207/1269828.shtml The meat of it: GT: You have said that the US is preparing for a war with China and "hoping that China suffers the same fate as the Soviet Union." Could you elaborate on that? What challenges does the US pose to the security situation in and around China? Becker: There are two important aspects of this question but they are both very interconnected. The US is obviously planning and preparing for a military confrontation with China. But the goal is not war itself although that could happen. The US goal is to create a process inside of China similar to that which collapsed the Soviet Union. That could only happen if China lost its internal unity. This is the US plan and it's not really a secret: The US seeks nuclear primacy and military supremacy. The goal of this military buildup, naval and air provocations, the secret sending of military forces to Taiwan is designed to raise the specter of the containment or isolation of China. The real goal of the US is to create so much pressure on China that it will lead to political fractures within China with the hope that the government will lose its existing internal unity. It was the loss of unity inside the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) that led to the tragic and completely unnecessary dissolution of the Soviet Union. US policymakers are operating out of a strategic playbook that is premised on the actual course of events in the 1980s that led to the shocking breakup of the Soviet Union, which - let us remember - was the second largest economy and military power. In the late 1970s and early 1980s the US government embarked on a very aggressive military buildup. The US refused new arms treaties. It placed advanced weapons all around the Soviet Union. The US military budget was nearly doubled. The US launched an effort to gain military supremacy in outer space and end the era of military parity between the two countries. The US consciously created a pressure cooker situation. This created fear inside the USSR that war was coming, and it led to a loss of confidence within the leadership and it aided a political current inside the leadership that sought to appease the US. Failure to properly deal with this aggressive posture and to properly manage political reforms led to the breakup of the unity within the CPSU and ultimately led to a counter-revolutionary overturn. I do not believe this will happen in China. This is an imperial fantasy. China is well aware of this strategy. But the US is playing a dangerous game by escalating toward war and confrontation and extinguishing the different cooperative parts of the US-Chinese relationships that have existed in the previous 40 years. Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 01:55 on Jul 7, 2022 |
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Jul 7, 2022 01:52
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https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202207/1269828.shtmlquote:GT: You have said that the US is preparing for a war with China and "hoping that China suffers the same fate as the Soviet Union." Could you elaborate on that? What challenges does the US pose to the security situation in and around China?
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Jul 9, 2022 03:11
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crepeface posted:just came across a good quick tiananmen square explainer I agree with a lot of this article, but I'm wondering what it's basing its characterization of the student protestors on, most of what I've read is pretty definitive that, among the elite university students, who saw themselves as likely beneficiaries, there was a definite pro capitalist trend, and even a desire to keep workers out of the protest movement to better maintain that orientation.
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Aug 16, 2022 07:32
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https://www.liberationschool.org/marx-on-asia/ Interesting article
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Sep 20, 2022 07:34
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KomradeX posted:They're going to do a crash program of weapons that absolutely won't work but cost billions https://www.baen.com/Chapters/1439133476/1439133476___5.htm
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Jun 28, 2023 06:00
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Cpt_Obvious posted:The pat socs are weird as hell. This guy will claim to be a communist but also to vote for billionaires Donald Trump. Even measure head made more sense. It's just an extension of the Larouche Op, these guys are all in good with the Schiller Institute glowies, they're even getting into bed with the Moonies too now. Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 23:08 on Sep 9, 2023 |
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Sep 9, 2023 23:05
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stephenthinkpad posted:Regarding John Mearsheimer, I happen to think he is very consistent over the years and his argument make sense from the US point of view. If they did that, the resulting Franco-German-Russian bloc would be impossible to keep subservient in the long run, and the American empire doesn't have allies, it has vassals and enemies.
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Sep 9, 2023 23:11
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stephenthinkpad posted:Still a better situation to the US than where the world is going now. Kissinger would have done that. True, but I'm just saying it's not really disunity or individual interest, the American ruling class and state are basically united in refusing to accept the emergence of any independent power, even if there are rock solid pragmatic reasons to do so. (The amusing irony here is that the "dissident nationalist" element is actually taking a more internationalist perspective, that American imperialism needs to sacrifice some of its national interest for the sake of an imperialist united front against the third world) Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 01:26 on Sep 10, 2023 |
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Sep 10, 2023 01:20
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Top City Homo posted:you have autism If you're trying to say just knowing who those freaks are is autism, fair. If you're saying that it's autism to find something inorganic in the phenomenon, you're either dishonest or a rube.
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Oct 9, 2023 10:00
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comedyblissoption posted:xi shows up and i tell him great job "Garcon, garcon" "Yes?" "My compliments to the Chairman"
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Oct 10, 2023 22:16
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stephenthinkpad posted:Vietnamese Trump/Xu Jiayin : they really only have one script, don't they? https://twitter.com/ForeignPolicy/status/1776429670679920686
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Apr 11, 2024 22:37
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